Written by [user id=29268] on 02.02.2016 at 10:40

BTW. Westfield Massacre (aka Divine Heresy reunion without Cazares) should be on first place in drama category

Why are so many people calling this a "Divine Heresy reunion without Dino"? A) there was no Joe Payne, and B) to my knowledge they did not do any tour or whatever in which they played strictly Divine Heresy tunes together without Dino. Just because it is a post-DH project involving 2 former members of DH does not make it a DH reunion, that makes it a whole new project. And if they did happen to play some DH tunes together on a tour or at some shows, that just means they played some DH covers live.

Written by Koen Smits on 02.02.2016 at 18:19


That's why I don't do write-ins this time. I'll choose one of the selected albums. And if I'm not ok with them I will not vote.

Meh. I'm staff and have done write-ins for albums that didn't make it. Don't care if they finished dead last, let alone challenge first. I vote for what I think is best.

Written by BitterCOld on 02.02.2016 at 20:57

Written by Koen Smits on 02.02.2016 at 18:19


That's why I don't do write-ins this time. I'll choose one of the selected albums. And if I'm not ok with them I will not vote.

Meh. I'm staff and have done write-ins for albums that didn't make it. Don't care if they finished dead last, let alone challenge first. I vote for what I think is best.

I always did too, but fortunately this year my favorite genres all have my fav album, so no problem there. And yeah, when I see a categorie without my fav, I propably do the write-in again. (haha, already did with drama of the year)

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.02.2016 at 19:08

Written by Bad English on 02.02.2016 at 19:07

Written by Darkside Momo on 02.02.2016 at 19:00

Written by Bad English on 02.02.2016 at 18:50

If votes are nuked I think we should get notification, because ok 1 months but if this is like last February? we are not able to re vote , or PM

so, easy rule: listen first, vote later.

doom, extreme doom, heavy and other I have heard all albums and much much much more, but same time Draconian still plays gothic/doom whitch is DOOM and I think this is best their album, and still dont get why it can not be under doom, powerful album, better as others, thanks to Hejke

Draconian are way more gothic than doom, so should be voted for in gothic.

I'm on the fence on this one. Some of their stuff is far more Doom than Gothic, but other stuff is the other way around. I think i'd say the core genre is both equally. However, the latest album is more Doom by far (which is why i think it should be in Doom category this year), and the first album is more Gothic by far.

Written by psykometal on 02.02.2016 at 20:09

Written by [user id=29268] on 02.02.2016 at 10:40

BTW. Westfield Massacre (aka Divine Heresy reunion without Cazares) should be on first place in drama category

Why are so many people calling this a "Divine Heresy reunion without Dino"? A) there was no Joe Payne, and B) to my knowledge they did not do any tour or whatever in which they played strictly Divine Heresy tunes together without Dino. Just because it is a post-DH project involving 2 former members of DH does not make it a DH reunion, that makes it a whole new project. (...)

Maybe because in fact that on the beggining they wanted reunite Divine Heresy as Divine Heresy 2.0 without Cazares in it. But Dino said "No" because of his rights to name of the band. That's why they are currently known as Westfield Massacre and that's the whole story in very big short

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2016 at 18:49



Hi! Name's Rod. I listen to albums too (I've seen Oblivionized live too!).
Oblivionized was a tricky one because I think it could go to either one... Only not really. I fucked up on that one tbh. Wish I gave you a good explanation to why I fucked up but I have none besides "way too much to do with the Awards". I'm only thankful it didn't end up in a worse Place.

As for many categories and stuff, well... Metal is like that. Merging categories like melodeath and metalcore wouldn't work. Bands like The Agonist could have worked as metalcore back in the Lullabies album but I dont Think so anymore.
Cattle Dcapitation Went indeed through a long ass debate regarding Death and grindcore!
Merging Death and grind would be a terrible idea though. It would involve having bands like, let's say... Bloodbath and Pig Destroyer! Not compatible.

As for Tribulation, I'll just respond the same way I responded Joe:

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Urgh, I was tired after all the discussions. Consider that Death metal tag as a good ol' "fuuuuuuuuuck it", at least from me to you babe <3

Thanks for the explanation Rod. All forgiven on Oblivionized. Very good album and thanks for introducing them to me.

You do realise it's funny to say that Bloodbath and Pig Destroyer don't work well together but we are left with Tribulation "fitting in" in with Cruciamentum or any of them fitting with Gruesome's 1988 Death tribute Savage Land.

Death Metal is very diverse and it often overlaps with grindcore in a number of different ways (e.g. Lock Up versus Cattle Decapitation or 1990s Napalm Death). And a lot of the newer DM stuff has next to nothing to do with the 1980s/early 1990s sound.

Melodic DM in my mind fits in with metalcore especially as melodic metalcore is in essence Americanised melodic death metal with breakdowns (and not all used these). The idea works well if you consider At The Gates and a lot of their imitators or that a lot of early 2000s metalcore were basically playing Clayman rehashes in the early 1990s or heavily tied in with ATG.


Just my $0.02 and I don't think it really matters. Thanks for all your hard work!

You know, as much sh*t as this community gives power metal... you have to admit, the genre had a lot of solid releases in 2015. That will be a close one.

For all the other genres, I already have one or two favorites... but I'm going to try and be a good voter this year and give the other nominations a fair listen, as well.

Written by [user id=29268] on 02.02.2016 at 23:25

Maybe because in fact that on the beggining they wanted reunite Divine Heresy as Divine Heresy 2.0 without Cazares in it. But Dino said "No" because of his rights to name of the band. That's why they are currently known as Westfield Massacre and that's the whole story in very big short

Hmm. Oky doky then. Guess I didn't bother to look far enough back to realize that.

In the wake of this information I did end up finding an article indicating just that, that Tommy and Tim did indeed originally want Westfield Massacre to be a continuation of Divine Heresy without Dino. But even still, based on what I read, I still wouldn't consider it a "reunion" in the beginning, just another Gorgoroth/Quuensryche/Immortal type of feud, except in the case of DH and DH2.0 Dino had apparently done enough of the legal footwork on the DH name to have been able to quell that shit without T and T having any ground to stand on to attempt to take the name from Dino.

Written by Spirit of dead on 02.02.2016 at 06:42


Maybe reducing number of categories so death/grind or merging metalcore and melodic death together (and maybe also including a lot of folk)?
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I, for one, think that we should consider further dividing DM, given the fact that there is this huge new wave of old school death metal now. I am totally fine with having one catagory for brutal/ tech death and one for the rest (excluding melodic death, which is not death metal most of the time tbh)

Written by mz on 03.02.2016 at 01:13


I, for one, think that we should consider further dividing DM, given the fact that there is this huge new wave of old school death metal now. I am totally fine with having one catagory for brutal/ tech death and one for the rest (excluding melodic death, which is not death metal most of the time tbh)

That would make it even more unwieldy and just increases the workload for the staffers. And you'd get these barely populated categories such as the melodic death metal one (5 entries) or largely scrapping the bottom of the barrel such as the thrash metal one.

Written by Spirit of dead on 03.02.2016 at 01:17


That would make it even more unwieldy and just increases the workload for the staffers. And you'd get these barely populated categories such as the melodic death metal one (5 entries) or largely scrapping the bottom of the barrel such as the thrash metal one.

my point is that death metal these days is maybe in its most diverse state, and high quality death metal records are also not as rare as ten years ago. Maybe the form of death metal that I am into at least. So, more exposure would not hurt anyone.

Lamb of God = Thrash Metal

Metal Storm, you're drunk! The music categories are mess.

Written by MIXHELL on 03.02.2016 at 01:25

Lamb of God = Thrash Metal

Metal Storm, you're drunk! The music categories are mess.

Well there's no groove metal category so LoG should go somewhere and thrash is best fit. Also you need at least 1 good album in thrash category.

Written by Spirit of dead on 03.02.2016 at 01:27
Also you need at least 1 good album in thrash category.

Which is why we have Deathhammer!

(Black Fast is pretty ok too!)

Written by MIXHELL on 03.02.2016 at 01:25

Lamb of God = Thrash Metal

Metal Storm, you're drunk! The music categories are mess.

In big short I can only tell, that this is nothing new

Written by BitterCOld on 02.02.2016 at 20:57

Written by Koen Smits on 02.02.2016 at 18:19


That's why I don't do write-ins this time. I'll choose one of the selected albums. And if I'm not ok with them I will not vote.

Don't care if they finished dead last, let alone challenge first. I vote for what I think is best.

Exactly. Why bother voting otherwise.

Written by Spirit of dead on 03.02.2016 at 00:00




Melodic DM in my mind fits in with metalcore especially as melodic metalcore is in essence Americanised melodic death metal with breakdowns (and not all used these). The idea works well if you consider At The Gates and a lot of their imitators or that a lot of early 2000s metalcore were basically playing Clayman rehashes in the early 1990s or heavily tied in with ATG.

But that is only one subtype of metalcore, the rest of the genre is not even similar to mdm.

Written by Uldreth on 03.02.2016 at 12:24

Written by Spirit of dead on 03.02.2016 at 00:00




Melodic DM in my mind fits in with metalcore especially as melodic metalcore is in essence Americanised melodic death metal with breakdowns (and not all used these). The idea works well if you consider At The Gates and a lot of their imitators or that a lot of early 2000s metalcore were basically playing Clayman rehashes in the early 1990s or heavily tied in with ATG.

But that is only one subtype of metalcore, the rest of the genre is not even similar to mdm.

Exactly theorignal metalcore has nothing to do with mdm whatsoever. It was actually a mix of hardcore and metal. Think of bands such as Merauder, most of the Cro Mags albums, most of Agnostic Front albums. etc.

Everybody knows that Skepticism is the koolest band ever and you just dont vote against them, but Bell Witch made the best album of 2015...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeWrcM8E7bI

So little Maco was ready to vote for the best melodic death metal album, he in a happy way thought "This category will be ez life ez game considering that Soilwork has the best mdm album I heard from this year, sure there were some other good albums but The Ride Majestic is the superior album, I will just vote for it now yeah! I am more than sure it is the better album out of the nominates".

His face of disappointment is still there after watching the nominates, and in a sad mood checked one album from one band he never listened to.

No Draconian, StS or MDB?

Shape of Despair in the same category as Paradise Lost

Written by woodsmoke666 on 03.02.2016 at 23:15

No Draconian, StS or MDB?

Those just didn't make the cut. Didn't break out top 10.

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Shape of Despair in the same category as Paradise Lost

Yes, since both are non-extreme doom albums. SoD might be funeral but so damn light that it was put in the regular doom category.

Don't hesitate to write in folks if you don't see your favorite release. You might at least turn someone on to a new band.

That being said, is this too light for doom?

https://starsthatmove1.bandcamp.com/album/stars-that-move

Listening to Agent Fresco right now, so thank you!

Written by Maco on 03.02.2016 at 18:44

His face of disappointment is still there after watching the nominates, and in a sad mood checked one album from one band he never listened to.

Write-in vote maybe?

Just voted and added some bands that deserve to be nominated because they released great albums in 2015. One of them is a metal band from Portugal that is not even in your bands data. I'm talking about the industrial metal band Bizarra Locomotiva that released the great album "Mortuário" in 2015. Here is some videos of the album songs.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 03.02.2016 at 23:27

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Those just didn't make the cut. Didn't break out top 10.

I don't understand your comment, is it because they were in the top 10 they didn't get nominated?

Written by Dark Forever on 04.02.2016 at 13:12

Written by Maco on 03.02.2016 at 18:44

His face of disappointment is still there after watching the nominates, and in a sad mood checked one album from one band he never listened to.

Write-in vote maybe?

Because write-in votes always win (I'll still do it btw if there's nothing better).

Hey, I just wanted to say that I voted before reading these comments, so I didn't know about how write-ins worked. Sorry about that, it's my first MSA's and you can safely ignore my inaccurate write-ins.

Written by BitterCOld on 01.02.2016 at 17:30

Lot of pentagram shaped pegs to hammer into round holes.

we spend hours squabbling over what goes where, and whatever we come up with gets dissected and argued about again here.

Challenge accepted