Never let them know your next move

Lmmfao

Well, that escalated quickly

Fastest any% speedrun (world record time)

At least we have something other than the new Megadeth to liven up the forum.

So, comments are disabled on the post terminating the deal with Vektor, which actually happened because of the comments that were made on the post announcing the signing of Vektor (now, deleted, of course). Talk about double standard.

edit: I love the sarcasm in the news post, Radu.

Written by nikarg on 17.09.2022 at 22:52

At least we have something other than the new Megadeth to liven up the forum.

So, comments are disabled on the post terminating the deal with Vektor, which actually happened because of the comments that were made on the post announcing the signing of Vektor (now, deleted, of course). Talk about double standard.

edit: I love the sarcasm in the news post, Radu.

why double standards? I guess they did not know about the wife beating situation, they found out and that was it. Why would they relate their company with a damaged product?

Written by aeonnumb on 18.09.2022 at 01:25

why double standards? I guess they did not know about the wife beating situation, they found out and that was it. Why would they relate their company with a damaged product?

Double standards in terms of allowing and not allowing comments on their social media posts.

Modern metal community...
he kicks his girl - OMG!
David Ellefson showed his PP - forbidden!
did he defiled in europe the mosque? - white power pup!

Motley Crue from the 80s - laughing

All CM had to do was say no to the maddening crowd and they would have walked away to be outraged elsewhere. Worked for Inquisition when Agonia signed them.

Written by SatanicBlood on 18.09.2022 at 13:17

All CM had to do was say no to the maddening crowd and they would have walked away to be outraged elsewhere. Worked for Inquisition when Agonia signed them.

Exactly. Showing weakness and giving up to an outraged mob is like throwing fuel to the fire, basic mass psychology. Just have a backbone and tell the mob to go screw themselves and they'll eventually give up and go outrage somewhere else because it's the adrenaline and the feeling of power that kind of crowd really wants by going after other people, it's a phenomenon old as time. CM did this to themselves.

Lol.

So, I'm out of the loop of what is going on, but basically because of the outrage of the twitter mob, based on allegations from 2 years ago, Century Media Records dropped Vektor 24 hours after signing with them? Or am I misunderstanding what is going on?

Man, this is sad. Figured a company like CM does more of a background research before signing a deal and then fully support what they got onboard with. I guess not...

Man I just want another Vektor album. Is that so much to ask?

Written by christmas.inHell on 18.09.2022 at 09:51

Modern metal community...
he kicks his girl - OMG!
David Ellefson showed his PP - forbidden!
did he defiled in europe the mosque? - white power pup!

Motley Crue from the 80s - laughing

Good, standards are changing on what is acceptable.

Wow

Thats fast, but in modern specially internet age, all you do takes consequences , its hash and radical move, even Jon Shaffer actions was more reason to drop out label, I agree, but same time people should think what they do, we fans pay your bills!

Written by Bad English on 19.09.2022 at 11:40

Jon Shaffer actions was more reason to drop out label, I agree, but same time people should think what they do, we fans pay your bills!

Jon storming the capitol was more than enough reason to drop him lets be fair lmao

I don't understand why people are complaining. DiSanto attacked his wife. She posted videos of it, it is not an allegation. He also basically admitted saying: "I need everyone to know that sometimes relationships get tricky and people say and do bad things when things turn sour. I never wanted my life to turn into a dumb reality show/Soap Opera, but here it is."
So where is the controversy? He is a pos and CM dropped the band. End of story move on.

Written by aeonnumb on 19.09.2022 at 19:07

So where is the controversy? He is a pos and CM dropped the band. End of story move on.

Unfortunately, you can't break down complex issues so simply. That's a major problem for most people, made worse by the Internet, and I think that's what DiSanto was talking about in his statement about relationships: feelings for each other, a shared past, hurts added over the years - you just can't brush that aside with a quick comment in an Internet forum. And nowadays everything is just taken to the internet, where people willingly take sides on their intuition without even having heard both sides of the story. Especially after #MeToo it is the safe thing to do to take the side of the alleged victim - and of course, in this case there is also video evidence, which has been made available to the whole world in a very effective way... For me, his wife is just as much a culprit as he is himself - if I were to judge, which I try to avoid because I don't know either person at all and my judgment doesn't matter anyway.

The thing in the case of Century Media is more obvious: They certainly didn't forget to do their homework here, the label is just too big for that, as well as the investment in their bands. Rather, they simply tried to get away with it, only to be caught and then to give in to public pressure after a very short time. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Written by Metal Diogenes on 18.09.2022 at 13:38

Written by SatanicBlood on 18.09.2022 at 13:17

All CM had to do was say no to the maddening crowd and they would have walked away to be outraged elsewhere. Worked for Inquisition when Agonia signed them.

Exactly. Showing weakness and giving up to an outraged mob is like throwing fuel to the fire, basic mass psychology. Just have a backbone and tell the mob to go screw themselves and they'll eventually give up and go outrage somewhere else because it's the adrenaline and the feeling of power that kind of crowd really wants by going after other people, it's a phenomenon old as time. CM did this to themselves.

Did what to themselves? Drop a band that could damage their brand? The whole "get bored and go be outraged elsewhere" thing works both ways. I can almost guarantee that any backlash against CM for this will hardly be felt by the label.

That aside, sticking up for spousal abusers is a weird hill to die on, man.

Let's just make one thing clear: abuse of any kind is unacceptable and anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck right off, as far as I am concerned. No ifs, no buts. At the same time, there are two sides in every story and anyone who has the slightest experience with abuse knows that going public and making your private life a freakshow does not help. Instagram followers can do nothing for you apart from some worthless 🙏. On the contrary, looking for help and support from those who can actually help (law enforcement, judicial services, etc.) will take you a long way in your quest to find justice and stop the abuse.

I am sick and tired of the holier than thou attitude, and of the keyboard saints and online judges that supposedly have never done anything wrong in their lives, and are always ready to cast the first stone. And don't get me started on the others who compare apples and oranges as if it is the same thing to throw a pillow at someone, to drive drunk and kill someone because of it, or to possess child pornography. I am reading posts putting everything in the same blender and I cannot help but think "what the actual fuck are you talking about?"

Jacob Butcher is right: Century Media just thought that enough time had passed, people had forgotten, and there were no social media posts because they had all been deleted (I wonder why). Apparently that wasn't the case and CM decided to drop the band and disabled the comments on the announcement. That's quite rich and ironic, since the comments were the reason why the band was dropped in the first place. They should have had the guts to at least explain and I would have accepted any explanation, but I am asking too much from a label as big. No CM band will get a review from me, not because I support Vektor or DiSanto but because I do not condone shifty behavour such as this.

Batlord666 is also right: standards are changing on what is acceptable. And this is good. We need to change the standards of how we publicly express our opinion too, though. That would make things even better.

Written by nikarg on 19.09.2022 at 23:18

Let's just make one thing clear: abuse of any kind is unacceptable and anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck right off, as far as I am concerned. No ifs, no buts. At the same time, there are two sides in every story and anyone who has the slightest experience with abuse knows that going public and making your private life a freakshow does not help. Instagram followers can do nothing for you apart from some worthless 🙏.

Im not saying instagram is the place to air your dirty laundry, but it aint so cut and dry. Theres a sense of isolation, dependency and helplessness that comes from long-term abuse. Its why battered wives stay with shitty abusive husbands for as long as they do. In an era where social media is - even for people living a normal life - the main connection to the outside world, I can see how posting it on instagram or whatever might seem like the best course of action.

Kind of ironic to make a haughty statement like "anyone who has the slightest experience with abuse..." then criticize abuse victims for not making rational decisions.

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"On the contrary, looking for help and support from those who can actually help (law enforcement, judicial services, etc.) will take you a long way in your quest to find justice and stop the abuse."

This is just naive. So many places just dont offer necessary support for abuse victims - judicially or otherwise. Its pretty common for cops to take a report then sit on their hands until someone gets murdered.

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"I am sick and tired of the holier than thou attitude, and of the keyboard saints and online judges that supposedly have never done anything wrong in their lives..."

Well, Ive never beaten my spouse or any of my exes, so I in fact do get to act holier in this matter.

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"...Century Media just thought that enough time had passed, people had forgotten, and there were no social media posts because they had all been deleted (I wonder why). Apparently that wasn't the case and CM decided to drop the band and disabled the comments on the announcement. That's quite rich and ironic, since the comments were the reason why the band was dropped in the first place. They should have had the guts to at least explain and I would have accepted any explanation, but I am asking too much from a label as big."

Yeah...and? Its a business decision. They misread how the public would react so they reversed course. Offering an explanation would be far more damaging than just putting it to bed. Engaging with this kind of shit will do nothing but stoke the fire - a label as big as CM probably knows this better than anyone.

As someone else pointed out - if they had just ignored it the outrage mob would have moved on. That sword swings both ways - if they dont comment on this at all its going to be a very small minority who give a shit about it in 2 weeks. Not elaborating is probably the smartest thing they could do.

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"No CM band will get a review from me, not because I support Vektor or DiSanto but because I do not condone shifty behavour such as this."

All we are is farts in the wind...
I mean, you're free to do what you want, but I think you'd be in a quickly shrinking crowd with this boycott. Most 'zines (metalstorm included) are still going to be reviewing CM bands. I'd be fine with reviewing CM bands or even a Vektor album for that matter (if I still had time for reviews).

At the end of the day CM is a business and thus primarily concerned with making money, if they see something turning out to be a bad return on investment they'll cut ties. Its not the scandalous, shifty behavior you're making it out to be. Like it or not its just standard business operating procedure.

Doc G., I was not replying to your post above, and I believe you've misread much of what I said. Or we just disagree, which is fine.

Written by Doc G. on 20.09.2022 at 02:40

Kind of ironic to make a haughty statement like "anyone who has the slightest experience with abuse..." then criticize abuse victims for not making rational decisions.

I did not criticize anyone, I was just making a remark of what helps and what doesn't. Taking what I said as me criticizing abuse victims for not making rational decisions is entirely your (very wrong) assumption.

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In an era where social media is - even for people living a normal life - the main connection to the outside world, I can see how posting it on instagram or whatever might seem like the best course of action.

My point is that, instead of reinforcing it, we should maybe start to question its real value and effectiveness, and take other courses of action.

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This is just naive. So many places just dont offer necessary support for abuse victims - judicially or otherwise. Its pretty common for cops to take a report then sit on their hands until someone gets murdered.

This indeed may apply to some underprivileged parts of the world. Still, a simple restraining order is the easiest and quickest thing to do before everything else, and it is enough to stop the abuse immediately. What is naive is to think that victims are being better supported by Instagram likes.

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Well, Ive never beaten my spouse or any of my exes, so I in fact do get to act holier in this matter.

That was definitely the part where you got wrong that I was replying to your comment. I was referring to all the continuously triggered people behind their keyboards who are quick to pass judgement on anyone, but from the safety of anonymity and, of course, without ever doing anything actually helpful in real life.

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Yeah...and? Its a business decision. They misread how the public would react so they reversed course. Offering an explanation would be far more damaging than just putting it to bed.

I never said that I don't understand why they did what they did. I just don't find it ok.

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As someone else pointed out - if they had just ignored it the outrage mob would have moved on. That sword swings both ways - if they dont comment on this at all its going to be a very small minority who give a shit about it in 2 weeks. Not elaborating is probably the smartest thing they could do.

This was exactly my point above about the keyboard warriors. We are only interested in social media reactions that last for two weeks at most, and have no real value in real life. That's just sad.

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I mean, you're free to do what you want, but I think you'd be in a quickly shrinking crowd with this boycott. Most 'zines (metalstorm included) are still going to be reviewing CM bands.

I couldn't care less about what everyone else does or will do.

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At the end of the day CM is a business and thus primarily concerned with making money, if they see something turning out to be a bad return on investment they'll cut ties. Its not the scandalous, shifty behaviour you're making it out to be. Like it or not its just standard business operating procedure.

I don't find it scandalous, but shitty I did call it (not shifty, that was a typo). Not because they dropped Vektor, but because of how they handled the whole thing. That kind of business procedure, the hypocrisy, I do not like and will not support it. If it's a fart in the wind, let it be so. It still has its own smell, and that's all I care about.

Written by nikarg on 20.09.2022 at 08:47

I did not criticize anyone, I was just making a remark of what helps and what doesn't. Taking what I said as me criticizing abuse victims for not making rational decisions is entirely your (very wrong) assumption.

Then whats the point in bringing it up at all? It comes across as a criticism - especially paired up with the "two sides to every story". The phrasing comes across as an attack on the veracity of her allegations. It really doesnt seem salient to any other point you were trying to make so I think it was a very reasonable assumption even if wrong.

It falls in line with "only believe perfect victims" logic that comes out when stuff like this happens.

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My point is that, instead of reinforcing it, we should maybe start to question its real value and effectiveness, and take other courses of action.

It got people from around the world to pay attention, didnt it?

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This indeed may apply to some underprivileged parts of the world.

And places you would consider "privileged". Where you live might have a great support system, thats wonderful. These problems and the lack of effective societal support exist outside of 3rd world countries.

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Still, a simple restraining order is the easiest and quickest thing to do before everything else, and it is enough to stop the abuse immediately.

This is the adult equivalent of "if you're being bullied, simply go tell a teacher." It goes well beyond simply removing yourself from the abusers presence - theres a whole world of logistical problems, some stemming from the abusers manipulation, some from very real material concerns.

Once again, not saying Instagram is an appropriate place to air these things, I'm saying it probably seems appropriate to the victim.

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I was referring to all the continuously triggered people behind their keyboards who are quick to pass judgement on anyone, but from the safety of anonymity and, of course, without ever doing anything actually helpful in real life.

Who's to say they aren't doing anything helpful in real life?

Secondly, from the safety of anonymity is a perfectly fine place to pass judgement. As opposed to what? Putting myself out there to be a target for someone prone to irrational bouts of violent anger and people who sympathize with said baby?

Besides, I think setting a general tone of zero sympathy for abusers is actually very helpful.

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I don't find it scandalous, but shitty I did call it (not shifty, that was a typo). Not because they dropped Vektor, but because of how they handled the whole thing. That kind of business procedure, the hypocrisy, I do not like and will not support it. If it's a fart in the wind, let it be so. It still has its own smell, and that's all I care about.

I'm sorry but I just dont see the hypocrisy here. Label signs band, they get an overwhelming "fuck them" response, decides not to proceed. Expecting any company to adhere to some kind of code of honor outside of their own interests is just silly. Its a media company, public image is integral to their business. This is a perfectly reasonable response to the situation.

Besides, they didnt rob this guy or burn down his house, they just rescinded an offer that didnt even exist 48 hours earlier.

I guess the thing I find perplexing about your boycott is that so many labels are renowned for doing shitty things (signing nazis, suing their own artists, trapping artists in contractual hell, not offering adequate support etc etc), you know, actually damaging shit, yet this full-throated response comes when they back out of a deal with an outed abuser.

Written by aeonnumb on 19.09.2022 at 19:07

I don't understand why people are complaining. DiSanto attacked his wife. She posted videos of it, it is not an allegation. He also basically admitted saying: "I need everyone to know that sometimes relationships get tricky and people say and do bad things when things turn sour. I never wanted my life to turn into a dumb reality show/Soap Opera, but here it is."
So where is the controversy? He is a pos and CM dropped the band. End of story move on.

"Attacked his wife" makes it sound worse than what's on the video. I'm not condoning it, but he basically threw a pillow at her and said "leave me alone" to her. Something provoked it. Yes he's still a POS, but this is vid is conveniently only showing the bits she wanted people to see with all context removed. I just hope there wasn't worse things going on then what was on the video, but that's all "he said", "she said". I can't really relate to this situation in the vid either as I've never had a women that has antagonised me to any kind of point of blind rage, but I'm going to make any more assumptions based on it.

The plot thickens. Here’s his post from Facebook an hour ago…

David: "Hello, this is David DiSanto of Vektor. I just want to take a couple minutes to set the record straight about the rumors surrounding me. I had hoped the allegations against me would eventually go away, but due to the band recently losing a record deal with Century Media because of the misperceptions about me, it’s time I addressed everything clearly for everyone. I apologize for my initial response in 2019 and my silence that followed. It was too much for me to handle at the time. So, now I want to clarify to our fans what’s actually going on in that dark, horrible video swirling around the internet.

This little guy (my dog, Sprinkles) set off a chain of events that I never could’ve imagined. In early 2019 he was still being potty trained, and he left a little poo on the stairs in the middle of the night after I had gone to bed. It was around midnight when I was woken up by my wife standing next to the bed repeatedly slapping my head, pulling my hair, and digging into my chest with her nails, screaming and yelling at me to pick up his poop immediately. I kept telling her to “leave me alone”, “it can wait until the morning”, but she wouldn’t stop after what seemed like 30 minutes. I finally stood up and was cornered against the wall between the bed and my dresser. I asked her to move so I could do the thing she was asking, but she wouldn’t budge and kept instigating and escalating the situation. So, I picked her up and moved her onto the bed, out of my way, so I could get by. I then threw a pillow and reiterated to her, “leave me alone”.

That is the truth and reality of what took place before and during that video. Some people might not think that’s a very big deal, but I want to make perfectly clear that I am truly sorry and embarrassed for how I reacted to that situation. Having my personal life being exposed to complete strangers has been a big opportunity for me to learn and grow. These past few years have humbled me to my core. Like so many others, I was caught in a toxic relationship and felt like I was trapped and couldn’t get out. I hope all the people that go through that find the power to heal themselves and move forward with their lives. That’s what I’m trying to do.

As for other rumors getting passed around online, there are no continued legal battles going on between my ex and myself. Our divorce was finalized in 2021 and it was very standard as far as divorces are concerned. We divvied up our assets and went our separate ways. I don’t have any kind of criminal record. I certainly have never been charged with any type of domestic violence. The mugshot that people are passing around is from a completely unrelated event from 2013 where I splashed beer on a Christian protester who was antagonizing the crowd at Scion Metal Fest in Memphis. I wasn’t charged for anything regarding that either.

Hopefully, people will eventually be able to judge us on our music and not our personal lives: my personal life. I’m continuing to better myself every day in all aspects of my life. It’s a shame that we lost a record deal because of lies and slander, but we’ll keep doing our best, continue to grow, and rise above the challenges.

I appreciate you taking the time to listen to my side of the story and how these events truly unfolded. On behalf of myself and Vektor, we look forward to your continued support and understanding about this matter. Thank you.

Hmmm, I thought Century Media liked making money as they did cash-grabbing after when Warrel Dane died.