I'm sure when you're familiar with the black metal scene, it might have gotten your attention that there is this new blend of black metal going around. Bands like Alcest, Amesoeur and Lifelover who mix black metal with rock music. But what most people don't know, that there was a band in the early/mid' 90s doing this already, named Forgotten Woods. Forgotten Woods are overall considered a black metal band, but imo their music has more Post-Rock elements in it then black metal, infact, the only black metal thing about this band are the lyrics and the high-pitched shrieks. "The Curse of Mankind" is a classic release in the black metal scene and if you didn't hear of this band already, I recommend you to give them a try. All of their stuff is getting re-released since 2005, so it's the best chance to try this band out. The band split up in the late 90s but had a come-back last year, with an album that suprised the entire black metal scene. Fans argue about the new album, because it's actually a very raw black metal album, which differs it a lot from their previous albums.

You might check their Metal-Archives Page out, but trust me, screw the description on MA, this band has nothing in common with doom metal at all, it's just not your typical black "metal" band.

MySpace : The first two songs are from the new album, which I didn't like at all, the third song is from their EP which had the most black metal influence in it, and the last song "The Velvet Room" is from their masterpiece "The Curse of Mankind".

I got Baklengs Mot Stupet yesterday, which is a boxset that contains As The Wolves Gather, The Curse of Mankind and Sjel Av Nattenby Forgotten Woods and Unlimited Hate by Joyless. I had heard that they were one of the first depressive bm bands, so I checked their Myspace, and I really liked "The Velvet Room"so I decided to order Baklengs Mot Stupet. I haven't gotten around to listening it yet, but when I've done so I'll post my thoughts.

I like tham realy its FORGOTTEN band, early demo, albums all its all old school realises , ber, garage, life, passion and freedom, simly thinks and so wounderfull music , I hera thay will play again,

Written by Bad English on 09.01.2008 at 15:11

I like tham realy its FORGOTTEN band, early demo, albums all its all old school realises , ber, garage, life, passion and freedom, simly thinks and so wounderfull music , I hera thay will play again,

Yes they've reunited with Neige (Alcest,Peste Noire,Mortifera, Amesoeurs) on vocals.

Post Rock????????? what can be found of POST-ROCK in Forgotten Woods? Their fist stuff is plain black/doom, "Race Of Cain" is a more original album, black metal with some hard rock and punk influences, but definately not post-rock.

I had never get into their earlier stuff, but Race Of Cain is a brilliant album. I had its cover in my avatar for a while when it was released.

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 21:21

Post Rock????????? what can be found of POST-ROCK in Forgotten Woods? Their fist stuff is plain black/doom, "Race Of Cain" is a more original album, black metal with some hard rock and punk influences, but definately not post-rock.

I had never get into their earlier stuff, but Race Of Cain is a brilliant album. I had its cover in my avatar for a while when it was released.

I agree its coplitly B/D metal

@Southern Wind: As I already mentioned, Race of Cain is a pure black metal album. Explain me what exactly about this band is doomish in anyway (I'm talking about the PRE-Race of Cain stuff!) ? I mean, do you know the definition of post-rock? FW have more rock influence in their music as metal, just like their side-band Joyless. Same for Lifelover and Ameseuors, I don't consider any of these bands metal.

Not really a fan of the band itself, but I love their procreations (Lifelover for example.)

Written by Lucas on 09.01.2008 at 21:48

Not really a fan of the band itself, but I love their procreations (Lifelover for example.)

if you're into lifelover it's urgent that you check this band out. i don't care what people say about this band, all of their pre-race of cain stuff are a mixture of black metal and post-rock, and absolutely nothing about this music is doomish, except for the atmosphere they create maybe..

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 21:43

@Southern Wind: As I already mentioned, Race of Cain is a pure black metal album. Explain me what exactly about this band is doomish in anyway (I'm talking about the PRE-Race of Cain stuff!) ? I mean, do you know the definition of post-rock? FW have more rock influence in their music as metal, just like their side-band Joyless. Same for Lifelover and Ameseuors, I don't consider any of these bands metal.

When I listened to As The Wolves Gather some years ago I saw it as a typical doom/black album, but I wasn't interested and never checked again.

About the post-rock stuff, I think you was refering to Race Of Cain, in that case you mean previous stuff I would have to check again but I doubt you'll right anyway... at least in Race Of Cain there's nothing like post-rock.

About the definition of post-rock, the most widely accepted is "the use of rock elements and isntrumentation for non-rock purposes". Once again, I don't know well the previous stuff, but in RoC I hear a typical voice, typical riffing, typical drumming so I wouldn't call it post-rock.

Race Of Cain has nothing to do with Post-Rock, and I never claimed something like that. I recommend you to listen to "The Curse of Mankind" doubtless their best work. The opening track is fast, as we know it from black metal, but the rest is not doomish or something like that, it's in an standart rock speed. And that's what makes Forgotten Woods Post-Rock/Black Metal in my opinion, they're a black metal band, but use almost only rock elements, and that's exactly what that statement you've posted says post-rock is about.

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:17

Race Of Cain has nothing to do with Post-Rock, and I never claimed something like that. I recommend you to listen to "The Curse of Mankind" doubtless their best work. The opening track is fast, as we know it from black metal, but the rest is not doomish or something like that, it's in an standart rock speed. And that's what makes Forgotten Woods Post-Rock/Black Metal in my opinion, they're a black metal band, but use almost only rock elements, and that's exactly what that statement you've posted says post-rock is about.

Well, that definition of post-rock I gave you understands rock as including all its derivations (metal, punk etc), not only hard rock, so using "rock" elements to create a black metal band wouldn't make it post-rock, because black metal is still... rock. Anyway, I'll download The Curse Of Mankind.

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:22

Well, that definition of post-rock I gave you understands rock as including all its derivations (metal, punk etc), not only hard rock, so using "rock" elements to create a black metal band wouldn't make it post-rock, because black metal is still... rock. Anyway, I'll download The Curse Of Mankind.

what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say? when i heard forgotten woods' early stuff, i didn't hear metal. i don't consider forgotten woods metal, they write about winter, depression and other black metal releated stuff and have the same vocals like most black metal bands, but forgotten woods were always a rock band for me, call it black rock, depressive rock, i don't care, nor do i know how this genre is called that lifelover and all of this new wave of bm bands are playing, it's just more rock then metal imho.

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:28

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:22

Well, that definition of post-rock I gave you understands rock as including all its derivations (metal, punk etc), not only hard rock, so using "rock" elements to create a black metal band wouldn't make it post-rock, because black metal is still... rock. Anyway, I'll download The Curse Of Mankind.

what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say? when i heard forgotten woods' early stuff, i didn't hear metal. i don't consider forgotten woods metal, they write about winter, depression and other black metal releated stuff and have the same vocals like most black metal bands, but forgotten woods were always a rock band for me, call it black rock, depressive rock, i don't care, nor do i know how this genre is called that lifelover and all of this new wave of bm bands are playing, it's just more rock then metal imho.

Haha ok, they can be rock, but they're absolutely not POST-rock, that's what we're discussing.

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:32

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:28

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:22

Well, that definition of post-rock I gave you understands rock as including all its derivations (metal, punk etc), not only hard rock, so using "rock" elements to create a black metal band wouldn't make it post-rock, because black metal is still... rock. Anyway, I'll download The Curse Of Mankind.

what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say? when i heard forgotten woods' early stuff, i didn't hear metal. i don't consider forgotten woods metal, they write about winter, depression and other black metal releated stuff and have the same vocals like most black metal bands, but forgotten woods were always a rock band for me, call it black rock, depressive rock, i don't care, nor do i know how this genre is called that lifelover and all of this new wave of bm bands are playing, it's just more rock then metal imho.

Haha ok, they can be rock, but they're absolutely not POST-rock, that's what we're discussing.

well right now, post-rock is the only thing that fits the best for them imo, but we can just make up a new genre and call them black rock, or depressive rock. or atmospheric black rock, lol.

edit: i've changed the topic title anyway.

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:38

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:32

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:28

Written by [user id=5080] on 09.01.2008 at 22:22

Well, that definition of post-rock I gave you understands rock as including all its derivations (metal, punk etc), not only hard rock, so using "rock" elements to create a black metal band wouldn't make it post-rock, because black metal is still... rock. Anyway, I'll download The Curse Of Mankind.

what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say? when i heard forgotten woods' early stuff, i didn't hear metal. i don't consider forgotten woods metal, they write about winter, depression and other black metal releated stuff and have the same vocals like most black metal bands, but forgotten woods were always a rock band for me, call it black rock, depressive rock, i don't care, nor do i know how this genre is called that lifelover and all of this new wave of bm bands are playing, it's just more rock then metal imho.

Haha ok, they can be rock, but they're absolutely not POST-rock, that's what we're discussing.

well right now, post-rock is the only thing that fits the best for them imo, but we can just make up a new genre and call them black rock, or depressive rock. or atmospheric black rock, lol.

edit: i've changed the topic title anyway.

necro rock would be fine

Decent band, absolutely no way this is post-rock related, I don't even hear much rock in it. Sounds like pretty typical black metal with some doomish elements.

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:28
what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say?

That makes me think of Venom more than this stuff.

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

I have heard "As The Wolves Gather" a whole while ago, and didn't like it. but maybe it isn't their best, or other albums are different, in that case, recommend me more.

Written by Lucas on 10.01.2008 at 12:58

I have heard "As The Wolves Gather" a whole while ago, and didn't like it. but maybe it isn't their best, or other albums are different, in that case, recommend me more.

i like all of forgotten woods' stuff, but the curse of mankind is their masterpiece, and a masterpiece in the black metal scene in general. i extremely recommend it.

Written by totaliteraliter on 10.01.2008 at 01:38

Decent band, absolutely no way this is post-rock related, I don't even hear much rock in it. Sounds like pretty typical black metal with some doomish elements.

Written by [user id=26778] on 09.01.2008 at 22:28
what i meant or tried to say is, that they sound like a rock band trying to play black metal, imagine what i'm trying to say?

That makes me think of Venom more than this stuff.

well i can't agree at all with all of you who don't hear the rock influence, the curse of mankind is beyond metal in my opinion.
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 05:31

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

They started around the same time btw. But besides that assholes? why do you consider them assholes? and secondly Deinonychus is more or eless purely Marco's brainchild although he has some musicians help him out in the studio while recording and live, but that's it.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 18:52

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 05:31

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

They started around the same time btw. But besides that assholes? why do you consider them assholes? and secondly Deinonychus is more or eless purely Marco's brainchild although he has some musicians help him out in the studio while recording and live, but that's it.

I like Deinonychus, but I felt insulted by their last album.

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 19:31

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 18:52

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 05:31

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

They started around the same time btw. But besides that assholes? why do you consider them assholes? and secondly Deinonychus is more or eless purely Marco's brainchild although he has some musicians help him out in the studio while recording and live, but that's it.

I like Deinonychus, but I felt insulted by their last album.

That is a frigging masterpiece. Way more rock, it is fucking brilliant IMO. But it does need about 20 to 30 listens to finally click though. IMO it is much better than the boring Insomnia.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 19:33

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 19:31

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 18:52

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 05:31

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

They started around the same time btw. But besides that assholes? why do you consider them assholes? and secondly Deinonychus is more or eless purely Marco's brainchild although he has some musicians help him out in the studio while recording and live, but that's it.

I like Deinonychus, but I felt insulted by their last album.

That is a frigging masterpiece. Way more rock, it is fucking brilliant IMO. But it does need about 20 to 30 listens to finally click though. IMO it is much better than the boring Insomnia.

Fuck, that means that I need from 19 to 29 more listens to realize that it's good?

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
well i can't agree at all with all of you who don't hear the rock influence,

So what are these rock elements you hear? I'm curious.

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

So you aren't a fan of the true godfathers of black metal/rock?

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 20:02

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 19:33

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 19:31

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2008 at 18:52

Written by [user id=5080] on 10.01.2008 at 05:31

Well, I followed Fucked Upstair's advise and downloaded The Curse Of Mankind, and I have to say it's an amazing album, what a cool vocal work!

But I think it actually has a lot of doom. It is fast, but what the fuck, it throws DOOM upon the listener and that's what matters

Listening to this album I also realize that those assholes of Deinonychus had spent a whole career trying to sound like Forgotten Woods.

They started around the same time btw. But besides that assholes? why do you consider them assholes? and secondly Deinonychus is more or eless purely Marco's brainchild although he has some musicians help him out in the studio while recording and live, but that's it.

I like Deinonychus, but I felt insulted by their last album.

That is a frigging masterpiece. Way more rock, it is fucking brilliant IMO. But it does need about 20 to 30 listens to finally click though. IMO it is much better than the boring Insomnia.

Fuck, that means that I need from 19 to 29 more listens to realize that it's good?

Okay I was exaggerating a bit. But upon first couple of listens I was also mightily disappointed, but all of a sudden it clicked with me and now it is amongst my favourites of the year.

Written by totaliteraliter on 11.01.2008 at 02:22

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

So you aren't a fan of the true godfathers of black metal/rock?

I'm with Fucked here, Venom were just a group of friends playing garage-style heavy metal with funny lyrics and that's it. I think Venom themselves consider a joke the fact of being considered as the "true godfathers of black metal". I still like to listen to their first two albums sometimes with a beer at hand I even own the "Black Metal" shirt but...

Written by [user id=5080] on 11.01.2008 at 18:05

Written by totaliteraliter on 11.01.2008 at 02:22

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

So you aren't a fan of the true godfathers of black metal/rock?

I'm with Fucked here, Venom were just a group of friends playing garage-style heavy metal with funny lyrics and that's it. I think Venom themselves consider a joke the fact of being considered as the "true godfathers of black metal". I still like to listen to their first two albums sometimes with a beer at hand I even own the "Black Metal" shirt but...

My thoughts and actions exactly. Except for the shirt part since I had to throw my Black Metal shirt away cause it didn't fit anymore, it was full of holes, and had turned grey.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.01.2008 at 18:08

Written by [user id=5080] on 11.01.2008 at 18:05

Written by totaliteraliter on 11.01.2008 at 02:22

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

So you aren't a fan of the true godfathers of black metal/rock?

I'm with Fucked here, Venom were just a group of friends playing garage-style heavy metal with funny lyrics and that's it. I think Venom themselves consider a joke the fact of being considered as the "true godfathers of black metal". I still like to listen to their first two albums sometimes with a beer at hand I even own the "Black Metal" shirt but...

My thoughts and actions exactly. Except for the shirt part since I had to throw my Black Metal shirt away cause it didn't fit anymore, it was full of holes, and had turned grey.

Same for my slowly we rot shirt, it did in every sense of the word slowly rot lol. i had tears in my eyes xD.. but i didn't throw it away. it's just to nostalgic.

Written by [user id=26778] on 12.01.2008 at 12:21

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.01.2008 at 18:08

Written by [user id=5080] on 11.01.2008 at 18:05

Written by totaliteraliter on 11.01.2008 at 02:22

Written by [user id=26778] on 10.01.2008 at 18:47
and as for venom, they just fucking suck.

So you aren't a fan of the true godfathers of black metal/rock?

I'm with Fucked here, Venom were just a group of friends playing garage-style heavy metal with funny lyrics and that's it. I think Venom themselves consider a joke the fact of being considered as the "true godfathers of black metal". I still like to listen to their first two albums sometimes with a beer at hand I even own the "Black Metal" shirt but...

My thoughts and actions exactly. Except for the shirt part since I had to throw my Black Metal shirt away cause it didn't fit anymore, it was full of holes, and had turned grey.

Same for my slowly we rot shirt, it did in every sense of the word slowly rot lol. i had tears in my eyes xD.. but i didn't throw it away. it's just to nostalgic.

I think you will throw it away in about 19 years or so.
It took me all those years before I threw the non-fitting, torn, grey Black Metal shirt away. What good moving house can do.