Fidel Castro Steps Down
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animal Posts: 569 |
19.02.2008 - 16:36 Quote:
---- "I got 1,000 years of power! Come and get me!" Robert McLain- Royal Oak, MI
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Bend Your Mind |
19.02.2008 - 17:01
I hope Raul's gonna save Cuba from the capitalist pigs just like his brother in the years to come.;)
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EddieGunner Valkoinen kuolem |
19.02.2008 - 17:11
sad news, yeah i just hope that Raul will continue what Fidel was doing, and he won't fall down under americans, cause in every country they bring democracy u can't live normaly, (Afghanistan,Iraq,)
---- On pirun vaikea selvitä hengissä hautaan saakka It is damn difficult to stay alive till the grave Erno Paasilinna :devil:
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
19.02.2008 - 18:46
Sad news but he was elegal ruller there I was in Babtista side viva imperialism
---- I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens. Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die" I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
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19.02.2008 - 19:59 Desertman
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((and my heart will give it all the fire that callous cowards deny it...condemm me...it does not matter history will absolve me)) fedel castro 1953 death to imperialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lord TJ |
19.02.2008 - 21:18
How old is Raul?
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EddieGunner Valkoinen kuolem |
19.02.2008 - 21:20
Raul is about 75 i think hes old too, too bad they don't have 3rd younger brtother LONG LIVE EL COMADANTE
---- On pirun vaikea selvitä hengissä hautaan saakka It is damn difficult to stay alive till the grave Erno Paasilinna :devil:
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20.02.2008 - 00:39 Insineratehymn
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With the resignation of Fidel, let's see if this will be a transition to democracy.
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animal Posts: 569 |
20.02.2008 - 00:46
Castro was no saint, but he did do more for his people than Batista did. Batista was basically business partners with the Mafia and used his postion to line his own pockets and those of his friends. Say what one will about Castro, but he at least provided schools, healthcare, and other services to the Cuban people.
---- "I got 1,000 years of power! Come and get me!" Robert McLain- Royal Oak, MI
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Arian Totalis The Philosopher |
20.02.2008 - 04:52
The posts on this thread makes me feel so loved.......
---- "For the Coward there is no Life For the hero there is No Death" -Kakita Toshimoko "The Philosopher, you know so much about nothing at all." _Chuck Schuldiner.
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder |
20.02.2008 - 05:54 Written by Arian Totalis on 20.02.2008 at 04:52 It's cool to hate America, and it's just as cool to act like it doesn't bother us. Anyway, no matter what the man may have done for his country, I never support a dictator. You want to give your people choices, help, and freedom, start by holding elections. The man may have done good things for his country, but so did Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Oh well.
---- The force will be with you, always.
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animal Posts: 569 |
20.02.2008 - 07:14 Written by Clintagräm on 20.02.2008 at 05:54 True, but compared with Batista- well Castro was basically the lesser of 2 evils.
---- "I got 1,000 years of power! Come and get me!" Robert McLain- Royal Oak, MI
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite |
20.02.2008 - 08:39 Written by Clintagräm on 20.02.2008 at 05:54 And even Bush did some good things (especially AIDS wise in Africa)
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
20.02.2008 - 10:43
Frodo - Man but how Cuba looks before and after more socialistic buildings how here , in latvia build car, radio, in Hungary build bus and chaos , damn i beter be poor an dlive in Babtista time show nowdays Cuba , even there are good climat and cigars and rum Growing in USSR I hate left idiologc but right after thay saying ''ppl are wellcome ehr ebut thay live and work in tham own country'' sometimes socialism realy are better BTW if Hitlar died in assasination in 1939 HE BE A HERO for germans
---- I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens. Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die" I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
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EddieGunner Valkoinen kuolem |
20.02.2008 - 12:06
@C.J.W.Wyatt well i em for dictation, some good dictator like was Tito in yugoslavia or like Fidel was for Cuba, i deslike democracy in USA cause US alwas saying abou democracy and they don't respect that democracy .... the break human laws..... but this ain't sujbect here Fidel Give to ppl of Cuba free education, free health care to me that alot, how much ppl in USA pay for health care and for skool ?? baptista was asshole,
---- On pirun vaikea selvitä hengissä hautaan saakka It is damn difficult to stay alive till the grave Erno Paasilinna :devil:
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Valentin B Iconoclast |
20.02.2008 - 12:44
it's about time...i hope the economic situation improves in Cuba
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder |
20.02.2008 - 19:15 Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.02.2008 at 08:39 Yep, I know. You have to remember though that not only was he elected by the American people, but when we went to war, the majority of Americans were for it. Not saying it was right, but I don't think most people in Germany or Russia were for a lot of their "leader's" ideals, or better yet, even knew about a lot of them (let alone were able to choose their leader). Written by EddieGunner on 20.02.2008 at 12:06 Indeed, but it doesn't matter what you really think about Democracy in the U.S., the procedural view of Democracy still goes on here, and not in Cuba. Sure he does good things, I'm not doubting that. But if he's so great, why not hold free elections so people can show them how much they love him, right? I'm not dismissing his pros (or his cons) but I'm pointing out his flawed distribution and continual presence of power. By the way, Capitalism and Socialism are economic policies and are not synonymous to, though often associated with, Democracy and Communism, respectively. And we must remember, neither of these systems is inherently "bad" it's just when their policies are abused is when they become detrimental to the well being of others.
---- The force will be with you, always.
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Øyvind Grave Digger |
20.02.2008 - 20:40
Now this is pity, in a way. I don't think this will change much. However, I must say that American blockade and sanctions are the main cause of poverty and many problems Cuba is facing. Castro is not a democrat, Che Guevara wanted elections but Fidel never allowed it, but do you actually believe that Castro wouldn't be elected in elections? I think not.
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EddieGunner Valkoinen kuolem |
21.02.2008 - 00:27
im sure Castro would be elected, election can be fixed, i member election in iraq few years before USA attacked them Saddam won by 97% those 3% were unusefull or mistaken ....
---- On pirun vaikea selvitä hengissä hautaan saakka It is damn difficult to stay alive till the grave Erno Paasilinna :devil:
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BloodTears ANA-thema Elite |
21.02.2008 - 21:33
Well he is old and fragile, its only natural.
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder |
21.02.2008 - 22:50
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, a revolutionary is always to be respected in some way. I realize he took people out of the hands of the oppressive Batista, and while I don't agree with his Marxist beliefs, I realize that's just another idea, and it could be applied to a country, and if successful, then more power to him. He also did a great job of helping to end a lot of corruption in Cuba. However, what I'm still in disagreement with is that he never reinstated voting, "on the spot" executions of enemies, and the whole missile ordeal (which I realize the U.S. were hypocrites since they had their own missiles in the East). You have to remember this all was going on at the height of the Cold War, so everyone seemed pretty paranoid. I also find it kind of odd that Castro was certainly Anti-Imperialist, but in many instances he backed the invasion of countries by the Soviet Union, not to mention tried to spread the good will of socialism to neighboring countries (more through the will and failed actions of Ernesto Guevara, though one could argue they were both the "lesser of two evils," which in my opinion is still a poor excuse, in my opinion). I also agree that while Castro could of done more to free Cuba from oppression, I don't think embargo's and sanctions by the Americas helped much either, not to mention the Bay of Pigs didn't help to improve emotions. You can't help but look like an asshole dealing with these issues. It's duality really, both have their goods, both their bads.
---- The force will be with you, always.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
22.02.2008 - 13:53
Damn there no 20 century leaders anymore If Coroner muamar kadaffi dies than .... he are last leader standing Sadam Husein are dead, Pervez Musharaf well id ont count him such big Fidel Castro dont rulle, so Kadaffi last man standing long live to him
---- I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens. Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die" I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
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Varegan Hamranakara |
22.02.2008 - 16:00 Written by Bad English on 22.02.2008 at 13:53 Khameneie is still alive. he will never die. I promise!
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Lord TJ |
25.02.2008 - 17:40 Written by EddieGunner on 20.02.2008 at 12:06 A ton. Nuff said.
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder |
25.02.2008 - 19:21 Written by Lord TJ on 25.02.2008 at 17:40 Yeah, that is one thing that can definitely use improvement in this country, among other things. However, how would you defend Fidel's nationalization of business that has left so many people in poverty? Or his suppression of media? Or of him not reinstating fundamentals of the Constitution of Cuba?
---- The force will be with you, always.
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Tod_Engel |
25.02.2008 - 20:03
It was about time. Cuba is now on a crossroad - does the old system/regime maintain it's power in lead with communist party or it will be overthrown by pressure from local people and turn into a democratic country. The second way could be better.
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder |
25.02.2008 - 20:25 Written by Tod_Engel on 25.02.2008 at 20:03 I read in the New York Times (yeah, I know) that Raul said he will carry on things much as they are. There were hints of change in him nodding at the idea that no government institution is sacred and that "We should never believe that what we have done is perfect." However, compared to all of the old revolutionaries still being in power, and basically Fidel in power but behind the scenes, I see no change with the near future? (And without violent revolution?)
---- The force will be with you, always.
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Tod_Engel |
25.02.2008 - 21:49 Written by Clintagräm on 25.02.2008 at 20:25 Violent revolution might be one way. On the other hand communist regime might start to make democratic reforms, which leads to bigger freedom for cubans (like in former Soviet Union) Then people just start to give pressure to the old communist regime to organise free elections. If the opposition is strong enough it will eventually happen. The opposition might also start non-violent protesting for the goverment to hear them. I mean tens or hundreds of thousands of people. Basically it happen in Soviet Union and it's sattellite countries. Still, Cuba's communist regime might take military action against protesters. And I think that if anything is going to change, it will probably happen after Raul Castro has left from his postion as leader of Cuba and a more democratic leader replaces him.
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Fhuesc |
26.02.2008 - 05:41
To all those who live in USA and say that the problem with Castro is that he never allow free elections, let me ask you a question, what's the point of free elections, when there's always fraud, like... mmm... i don't know... your country for example, do you remember the first time bush won?... No, well he and his brother cheated. Long live USA democracy!!!. Second, all of you that say "he doesn't allow freedom of speech", let me say this, Dixie Chicks. Long live USA freedom of speech!!!
---- Hasta la victoria, siempre! Until victory, always!
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