Ivor StaffPosts: 5492 |
22.02.2008 - 23:06Rating: 7
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Being a fan I couldn't let Jeff get away with his review being the only one. I sort of had my own thoughts to say out, so here's a second review of the album that's stirring the waters this year. Enjoy!
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Im an avid Ayreon fan..but I havent heard this one yet. Im not in such a hurry after reading the review
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Adus
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I couldn't really figure out why this album didn't amaze me, since it was obvious it was 'perfect' but I think you hit the nail on the head. It sounds like everything I've already heard, which is good in one way but it had no 'wow' factor at all. I'd say my favorite songs are Age of Shadows (We Are Forever in particular), Unnatural Selection and The Sixth Extinction, as they all have good tunes. The rest just hasn't really given me much to think about. Still a good album, but not an early contender for best of the year in my opinion, unless everything else that I'm looking forward to turns out mediocre.
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ylside StaffPosts: 4745 |
Interesting to read critics from an avid fan.
But as I said in the other review it somehow turned as expected for me. Even if by principle..such music should be umpredictable.
"Oh, here's another one! Right, 'The Human Equation' ", was also my thought at some point (forgot where or which track)
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Dark Blood The Avenger
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23.02.2008 - 02:54Rating: 8
I understand your point of view. In some way It's the same with me.. in musical terms always feels like something he's done before, but on the other hand, IMO, originality is still there and, specially the lyrical part, it blows me away. As I'm a big Arjen AND concept albums fan, as long as it's original and we get the feeling of it, it's a good album.
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Talvi
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23.02.2008 - 04:25Rating: 4
Hey, Daniel has some cool lines too! Even though I tried to hear him a lot being a fan of him. But I find that vocalists hre 'blend' together, so it's difficult to notice which is singing at the right moment, something never happened me on The Human Equation.
Oh, and Hansi dissapoints me a lot.
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Dane Train Beers & Kilts ElitePosts: 8902 |
Wow. I agree so much with your review. Now, I am a die hard Human Equation fan, and when I heard some of my favorite vocalists were going to be on this album (and yes, I do love Ty) I freaded out. When I first heard the album it did nothing for me. I held a blank expression for a while.
Well...this is Prog Metal, and like most Prog music, it is an aquired taste. Yeah, still has no grown on me. Everything is so well exicuted, and the production is flawless, it is just too much.
Also, not one of these songs stands out to me. Mention the name Ayreon and multiple melodies pop into my head like "Ayreon, don't you know who you are...", "Do it right, do it right, we aint got all night..." and even "I over heard the elders, telling each other stories..." This album, none of it sticks with me.
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
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Wow, an Ayreon album with a 7? Thats fresh! Judging by the couple samples Ive heard from this album your review seems a lot more fair (sorry Jeff! I like your other reviews nonetheless!). I'm glad someone took a more rational look at the album. And I can see your point about freshness, it sounds like same old Ayreon to me. I'm hoping there won't be 14 other reviews for this album.
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blackthor
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My first reaction when i saw how you rate this album was " This man is very far from the truth", but when i read carefully, i stopped a minute and said to myself " Wait this man really put the finger on the hot spot". This album is great, lyrics awesome, music well done from all aspects so from this points of view i will rate it 9.5, but if we discuss this album from the point of view of originality, yes Ivor is right 7 is a fair rate.
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gid
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23.02.2008 - 14:12Rating: 9
This review is interesting, because although I approached it from the same situation as you, Ivor, I came away with a completely different opinion. For me, this album fixed everything I didn't like about The Human Equation. When I first heard The Human Equation I thought there were way too many guest singers that just didn't gel, and that was the major negative for me for that album. With this album, however, there are more guest singers but they sing well together. Basically where The Human Equation sounded like a prog fan's 'dream team', this album sounds a whole lot more cohesive. To me, anyway.
As far as the musicianship goes, I think this album is simply brilliant. It balances the ambient, dream-like sound I loved on Universal Migrator Part 1 with the heaviness of The Human Equation and, in my opinion, it achieves the perfect mixture.
The problem with rating the originality of this album is that as Ayreon progresses, it's going to be harder and harder to for Arjen to do something radically new and different, simply because in his previous albums he covered so many different styles and merged them into what Ayreon is. I'd agree that in this album there aren't as many "whoa, that's new" moments, but what I do feel is that Arjen's perfected what he does well.
The more I listen to this album, the more I think it's my favourite, and when I look at this album in terms of the ongoing Ayreon story, it just pulls all those separate storylines together and blows me away.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
I think the urge to try and douse the hype about the album has come across more so than needed and overly critical..
yes, now I know all the Ayreon albums very well but this was the album that started it all - maybe because it was my first, but I think this review really plays down the album
okay, maybe looking back there are things you can find in other places, but comparing to the standards of the whole metal genre today - this album is still a masterpiece.. maybe "Into The Electric Castle" will always be the best Ayreon album, but this album still does what it does amazingly well and worth more than an average rating I think it is given with a little spite here
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Written by Baz Anderson on 23.02.2008 at 15:31
I think the urge to try and douse the hype about the album has come across more so than needed and overly critical..
yes, now I know all the Ayreon albums very well but this was the album that started it all - maybe because it was my first, but I think this review really plays down the album
okay, maybe looking back there are things you can find in other places, but comparing to the standards of the whole metal genre today - this album is still a masterpiece.. maybe "Into The Electric Castle" will always be the best Ayreon album, but this album still does what it does amazingly well and worth more than an average rating I think it is given with a little spite here
I totally agree with you. That's really great work and worth a higher rating considering all the work Arjen put into this to complete his "Ayreon story".
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Ivor StaffPosts: 5492 |
23.02.2008 - 16:25Rating: 7
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@Largos: Yes, Daniel has cool lines. In fact everyone has but it doesn't stand out as much as for the three I mentioned.
@Dane: I wouldn't say this album has no memorable tunes, they just don't stick out as much as on previous albums. There are tunes that stick.
@Baz: I don't intend to douse the interest. I do know where you are coming from, for you this was the first album and it opened up a new world. Maybe it's the reason why I love "Into the Electric Castle" the most - that was the first one I listened. I've been listening to Arjen's projects for about 10 years now. That's a little bit different than your position. What I'm actually trying to get across it that Arjen stayed within the already established boundaries. I'm not saying it wasn't a challenge to make this album. What I'm trying to say, is that this album doesn't challenge me as a listener with something totally new that cannot previously be associated with Arjen't music. That's what I referred to as the sense of familiarity.
As for the rating, it is subjective, as is the review. And as far as the ratings go, they are never absolute. This what you call average is well above average in the scene actually. I wanted it to reflect the feeling in comparison to previous albums. Had I weighted this album against the scene, "Into the Electric Castle" would have to be 12 or something. Other than that, I think people give way too much credibility to a simple number.
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24.02.2008 - 04:02Rating: 10
This album is a natural evolution of Into "The Electric Castle" Very good, but not perfect.
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Storchillarn
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I listened to the album quite a lot when it was released and thought it was his best after ItEC. I think I kind of over-listened to it because next thing I knew I felt really negative about the album. Now I'm pretty confident in saying it is up there with ItEC and THE, possibly better than THE. It does lack that little extra but a lot of songs are extremely well put together (Age of Shadows, Beneath the Waves, Fifth Extinction, River of Time). Maybe it should've been a single-disc album.. if it wasn't for that cheesy story.
Another thing, having Jorn on your album is dangerous! On every album that guy takes part in I always end up wishing he would have sung the whole album by himself (Avantasia - Scarecrow?), except for the Allen/Lande-stuff.
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A great great album,I can agree to some point with the reviewer it is a bit like a best of, as some of it sounds familiar,but it still rocks,its a 8.5 for me
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
Yes yes, now the dust has settled, the excitement has been quelled and we have to take a magnifying glass to this "masterpiece." This album is so close to perfection, if Arjen had only left out "Connect The Dots" and "Web Of Lies" this would be the best Ayreon. But, I understand that part of the concept required more storyline driven songs, it just seems like a waste to even have Simone Simons credited on this album. The flow of the album is hindered by these speedbumps and I think everyone raving about this album before others had heard it only set them up to be disappointed, w/o the "Wow!" factor.
100% / 15 songs = 6.66 per song. 15 - 2 duds = 13 * 6.66 = 86.6
My Rating = 8.7
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Written by Introspekrieg on 24.02.2008 at 23:07
Yes yes, now the dust has settled, the excitement has been quelled and we have to take a magnifying glass to this "masterpiece." This album is so close to perfection, if Arjen had only left out "Connect The Dots" and "Web Of Lies" this would be the best Ayreon. But, I understand that part of the concept required more storyline driven songs, it just seems like a waste to even have Simone Simons credited on this album. The flow of the album is hindered by these speedbumps and I think everyone raving about this album before others had heard it only set them up to be disappointed, w/o the "Wow!" factor.
100% / 15 songs = 6.66 per song. 15 - 2 duds = 13 * 6.66 = 86.6
My Rating = 8.7
Nice, but you're making the math awfully complicated. Observe:
13 good songs / 15 total songs = 0.87, so you know the rating out of 10 has to be 8.7 - see?
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Written by [user id=22888] on 25.02.2008 at 02:14
Nice, but you're making the math awfully complicated. Observe:
13 good songs / 15 total songs = 0.87, so you know the rating out of 10 has to be 8.7 - see?
That's why I don't do reviews, they would just be long and pointlessly calculated to dizziness. It was cool to use the 6.66 repeating though...
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Written by Introspekrieg on 25.02.2008 at 04:17
Written by [user id=22888] on 25.02.2008 at 02:14
Nice, but you're making the math awfully complicated. Observe:
13 good songs / 15 total songs = 0.87, so you know the rating out of 10 has to be 8.7 - see?
That's why I don't do reviews, they would just be long and pointlessly calculated to dizziness. It was cool to use the 6.66 repeating though...
Your written review is good - concise and to the point. Do you usually crunch numbers to come up with a rating? (That's the way I do it. An album is the sum of its parts, so I rate each track separately and take an average to get an overall rating.)
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Jason W. Razorbliss StaffPosts: 3523 |
25.02.2008 - 08:54Rating: 8
I'm glad there is a review out here that is a bit more reasonable with this latest Ayreon release. However, I actually had no familiarity with any of the actual Ayreon releases prior to this - but I am very familiar with Ambeon and Stream Of Passion.
I do agree with you there seems to be a "best of" flavor here - in fact, the way the singers all "ad lib" in the final track really make it feel like Ayreon is celebrating itself, because I really think all the flair takes away from the album's seriousness. And, there are simply too many vocalists that get lost in the songs to really make them worthy of being present.
I agree with you that Jonas's and Anneke's vocals are masterful - but that's nothing to do with Ayreon, they have been great for several years now independently! This has some great tracks, but your rating is accurate in many ways
(And "connect the dots" still makes me nauseous!!!)
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26.02.2008 - 18:18Rating: 10
This is really an interesting review of the "best album of the year"... It's true, Arjen took the best of the best of his last works and make something new, that doesnt sound new. Everything is perfect, he knows exactely "who" must sing "what", but that's something everybody knew from his last works.
You cannot compare AYREON with AVANTASIA, but having both new albums on hand, i must say that the evolution of Tobias is grewing incredibly fast (even if i prefer his old music than the new Avantasia, it's good to know that artist are still alive and are able to do something different). Arjen is on the top, but he must find a new way to surprise his fans. But I'm sure, Arjen will do a change now that this hystory is being closed.
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I think this was the right direction. I mean this is very different from the human equation. It is very atmospheric but not in the way that Star One (I think Star One sounds more like Pink Floyd) is. He used a lot of Synthesizers, like in the songs Beneath The Waves and Waking Dreams, and that created the authentic atmosphere of this record plus the darker music. The album is the darkest release from Ayreon and I think it still sounds original comparing to their latest albums.
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Spyroid Rosetta Stoned
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12.03.2008 - 14:28Rating: 9
Written by [user id=6192] on 02.03.2008 at 23:22
I think this was the right direction. I mean this is very different from the human equation. It is very atmospheric but not in the way that Star One (I think Star One sounds more like Pink Floyd) is. He used a lot of Synthesizers, like in the songs Beneath The Waves and Waking Dreams, and that created the authentic atmosphere of this record plus the darker music. The album is the darkest release from Ayreon and I think it still sounds original comparing to their latest albums.
You're not thinking of Ambeon? Star One is almost pure metal in my eyes, the "least" prog thing Arjen has ever tried for sure.
Well, comparing anything with Pink Floyd is heresy, but a metal album? That's just wierd
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Written by Spyroid on 12.03.2008 at 14:28
Written by [user id=6192] on 02.03.2008 at 23:22
I think this was the right direction. I mean this is very different from the human equation. It is very atmospheric but not in the way that Star One (I think Star One sounds more like Pink Floyd) is. He used a lot of Synthesizers, like in the songs Beneath The Waves and Waking Dreams, and that created the authentic atmosphere of this record plus the darker music. The album is the darkest release from Ayreon and I think it still sounds original comparing to their latest albums.
You're not thinking of Ambeon? Star One is almost pure metal in my eyes, the "least" prog thing Arjen has ever tried for sure.
Well, comparing anything with Pink Floyd is heresy, but a metal album? That's just wierd
I hear the Pink Floyd influence in Star One all the way. not to mention the addition of Hawkwind, further proving the old prog rock theory. Not that it is a bad thing but regardless, metal is a product of rock. Comparisons are bound to happen.
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Spyroid Rosetta Stoned
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24.06.2008 - 11:03Rating: 9
Written by [user id=3012] on 24.06.2008 at 02:36
I hear the Pink Floyd influence in Star One all the way. not to mention the addition of Hawkwind, further proving the old prog rock theory. Not that it is a bad thing but regardless, metal is a product of rock. Comparisons are bound to happen.
The synthesisers are actually very Hawkwind, but I still really don't think there's much of Pink Floyd in there - or any Hawkwind in the riffs or rythms. Hawkwind and PF are two of my favourite bands so in my book I should by able to hear influences if there was any - but I know it's not that simple. Pink Floyd for me, for you and for a third person can be totally diferrent things. Nevermind, anyway I still think it's Arjens 'worst' work.
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TyrannicalGOD
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13.09.2008 - 04:47Rating: 10
i disagree with the review almost completely .....if its not broke....dont fix it... the only simalarity i see with this album compared to the rest is the STORY CONTEXT...
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Arcesse Eum
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29.10.2008 - 01:04Rating: 7
Its a review of everything hes done up to this point, so it makes sense to sound like everything else hes done.
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Powerslavex Alexskywalker
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27.11.2008 - 16:35Rating: 9
Come on a 7! that's a bit harsh
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Morphis
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19.12.2008 - 05:10Rating: 7
I agree with this review, this album is good but everytime i was listening to it, i also got the impression that i already have listened to that sound before. It seems a bit maded of recycled material.
Knowing Ayreon discography this album didnt pump me up like some old ones but after The Human Equation masterpiece i guess in the end, even after 4 years was hard to do something new with the same power. 7.5 is my rating.
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