CobiWan1993 Secundum Filium
Posts: 1365 |
That really sucks, hopefully they make it out okay.
----
Ordinary men hate solitude. But the Master makes use of it, embracing his aloneness, realizing he is one with the whole universe (Lao Tzu).
Loading...
|
Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Goddamn Commie bastards.
/not serious
----
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
Loading...
|
SSM Massacred
Posts: 236 |
SSMMassacredPosts: 236
Useless, barren borders and governments everywhere.
"Russian Satanist tour..." a kind of strange name in a funny way.
Loading...
|
MaiSweettShaadow
Posts: 155
|
LoL, seems they are not that top after all.
Loading...
|
Spacerunner
Posts: 258 |
They had real problems with Russian Orthodox Church in this tour. I bet it's their work. In Russia church is closely related to government.
Loading...
|
Bad English Tage Westerlund
Posts: 62032 |
I have told manytime Russia and specialy Russian govemnet politics is shithole...I sugest pl dont visit that country at all an ignore FIFA 2018
----
I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens.
Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
Loading...
|
Ocean Sage
Posts: 474 |
I really hope they are alright and that everything gets sorted out. Immigration and border policies are insane. My best wishes.
Loading...
|
Reverend X
Posts: 60 |
How did they get a wrong visa? Haven't they noticed that they have a problem with their visas? If their papers were in order who would have framed them?
I might agree with Spacerunner. There must be a conspiracy here.
Loading...
|
ScottyM
Posts: 214
|
Russia is known for its ultra-conservative views, and the loudest majority of them are religious. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was motivated by religion/politics.
Loading...
|
Ritual_Suicide Account deleted |
Ritual_Suicide Account deleted
Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.05.2014 at 00:36
Goddamn Fascist bastards.
I'm serious
I fixed that for ya.
Loading...
|
Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5989 |
Damn, visa issues have been fucking up a lot of band's tours lately (Negura Bunget and Sepultura as well). Seems like this is becoming the hawt new trend within out beloved genre
----
I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
~ II. VII
Loading...
|
M C Vice ex-polydactyl
Posts: 3408 |
Maybe someone thought Behemoth were gay propaganda?
Written by deadone on 22.05.2014 at 03:44
Russia has the following visas:
?Tourist Visa
?Business Visa
?Visitor's Visa
?Student Visa
?Transit Visa
?Cruise Passengers
What's a visitor's visa? aren't all the other's visitors anyway.
----
"I'm here to nunchuck and not wear helmets. And I'm all out of helmets."
"I'll fight you on one condition. That you lower your nipples."
" 'Tis a lie! Thy backside is whole and ungobbled, thou ungrateful whelp!"
Loading...
|
D.T. Metal StaffPosts: 4193 |
Written by deadone on 22.05.2014 at 06:24
And if they can't afford a tour manager, well maybe they should stop spending their time being stoned/high "rock stars" and do some research themselves as opposed to going to some country without a clue and then getting in trouble.
And I can assure you that all the right stuff was done for Behemoth. This was not the first time they toured there and they have been in Russia for 10 days already. They would have not let them into the country if they would have had the wrong visa since they all traveled together and it is kinda obvious that they travel as a band and not as tourists.
9 out of 10 times it's the orthodox church who has their fingers in government issues who started this witch hunt.
Loading...
|
Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5989 |
Written by D.T. Metal on 22.05.2014 at 06:48
9 out of 10 times it's the orthodox church who has their fingers in government issues who started this witch hunt.
You're probably right that there is some definite religious/political motive behind this move. Behemoth are well known for their controversial image, and it's given them quite a few legal issues in the past. On the other hand though, I think that the band should exert at least some degree of caution with how strong a religious influence there is in the places that they plan to tour. Quite simply, if you step too far into the lion's den, you're only putting yourself at risk, and in places that don't have much of a fine line between church and state, the former can be can quite the lion indeed.
----
I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
~ II. VII
Loading...
|
D.T. Metal StaffPosts: 4193 |
Written by Auntie Sahar on 22.05.2014 at 07:13
Quite simply, if you step too far into the lion's den, you're only putting yourself at risk, and in places that don't have much of a fine line between church and state, the former can be can quite the lion indeed.
Dude, they are in the lion's den when they play at home. LOL Poland is just about the same with the church having their fingers in everything government. Behemoth is a pretty big thing overseas, way bigger than here in the states. It's a dick move by whoever started it and I saw a video with their booking agent over there, flabbergasted by the events as well. Well, here in a couple hours they will go to court and then we will find out what the hell the Russians plan on doing.
Loading...
|
Leni
Posts: 70 |
I think, it's our ortodox activists' work. they are vultures who have much authority. And we have "particular" relationship with Poland for a long time, it's politics) So, visas are just pretense. Behemoth was watched since they had entered Russia.
Loading...
|
Paz 777 ElitePosts: 4006 |
Paz777ElitePosts: 4006
Written by Leni on 22.05.2014 at 10:17
And we have "particular" relationship with Poland for a long time
Time to boycott some Russian bands here, then
Loading...
|
ikbrain
Posts: 5
|
It is so sad to read about that, especially since I am russian.
Knowing russian justice system, the problem is most likely not with the concert manager, but with the fucked-up russian legal system. Laws here are basically made so that anyone could be made guilty of something at any time. You make the buisness visa - "fuck you, you're visiting, we're deporting you", you make the visitor's visa - "fuck you, you're playing concerts, that's business, we're deporting you". Reasons why this exact thing is happening may be extremely wide: from church officials requests to even some overinitiative immigration service official, who as he thinks found a great way to get a promotion. Together with all this conservatism and religious bullshit (you wouldn't believe what kind of insanity is happening here, in 2014, in a country that is sending sattelites to orbit, seriously) we get things like that.
What I am trying to say - don't hate on russians, there are actually nice, progressivly thinking people here. Among religious fanatics, corrupt officials, stupid, crazy, homophobes, US-haters and etc.
Loading...
|
K✞ulu Seeker of Truth
Posts: 2573 |
K✞uluSeeker of TruthPosts: 2573
Oh, Russia, you make everyone love you more and more...
----
Savor what you feel and what you see
Things that may not seem important now
But may be tomorrow
R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner
Satan was a Backstreet Boy
Loading...
|
Bad English Tage Westerlund
Posts: 62032 |
Written by Reverend X on 22.05.2014 at 03:09
How did they get a wrong visa? Haven't they noticed that they have a problem with their visas? If their papers were in order who would have framed them?
I might agree with Spacerunner. There must be a conspiracy here.
not wromg visa its satanist think, political think ... read what rus do last few months .... like shut diown GPS, suggest band facebook (as islam states) and try contol ppl mind, all west are evil and this band are saanist., Rusare pround whit orthoxos ideas . so ..... its whole political think
----
I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens.
Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
Loading...
|
MikeVonDoom
Posts: 346 |
As usual, Russian authorities acting like mafia!!
Loading...
|
Leni
Posts: 70 |
Written by Paz on 22.05.2014 at 11:09
Written by Leni on 22.05.2014 at 10:17
And we have "particular" relationship with Poland for a long time
Time to boycott some Russian bands here, then
well, you could, if we had something metal here)))))
Loading...
|
Bad English Tage Westerlund
Posts: 62032 |
Written by D.T. Metal on 22.05.2014 at 07:20
Written by Auntie Sahar on 22.05.2014 at 07:13
Quite simply, if you step too far into the lion's den, you're only putting yourself at risk, and in places that don't have much of a fine line between church and state, the former can be can quite the lion indeed.
Dude, they are in the lion's den when they play at home. LOL Poland is just about the same with the church having their fingers in everything government. Behemoth is a pretty big thing overseas, way bigger than here in the states. It's a dick move by whoever started it and I saw a video with their booking agent over there, flabbergasted by the events as well. Well, here in a couple hours they will go to court and then we will find out what the hell the Russians plan on doing.
but in Pol are laws and democracy .. I doubt pussy riot ever be sentenced in Poland... since its in EU and there must work some kind a laws and rules.... Rus now its political think, its building pre cold war atmosfere and soon soon might be new cold war ... 100% politica, religuse move there
----
I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens.
Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
Loading...
|
Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5989 |
Written by Leni on 22.05.2014 at 10:17
We have "particular" relationship with Poland for a long time, it's politics) So, visas are just pretense. Behemoth was watched since they had entered Russia.
Good lord, here's hoping they don't turn into political prisoners!
----
I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
~ II. VII
Loading...
|
s_t_s
Posts: 1208 |
Written by K✞ulu on 22.05.2014 at 11:50
Oh, Russia, you make everyone love you more and more...
The only words I can also think or maybe add "Russia the great country of freedom of speech" ?
If Poutine reads this they will come knock at my door soon !
Loading...
|
NocturnalStalker Metal Addict
Posts: 889 |
It's all clearly the result of the Russian Orthodox Church getting involved there. Religious activists made them cancel some shows there after all. It's a great pity. I was really looking forward to seeing them live. Now I just hope they'll be able to get home safely.
----
"And we are not who we think we are
We are who we're afraid to be"
- Lux Occulta "The Opening of Eleventh Sephirah"
Loading...
|
TheMAGAmvm Soycrusher
Posts: 1086 |
Written by Bad English on 22.05.2014 at 14:07
but in Pol are laws and democracy .. I doubt pussy riot ever be sentenced in Poland... since its in EU and there must work some kind a laws and rules.... Rus now its political think, its building pre cold war atmosfere and soon soon might be new cold war ... 100% politica, religuse move there
Riot would've been arrested simply because, both in Russia and in Poland, they would have been sentenced for outrage and destruction of private goods. They were as stupid as they could be because they chose to organize their protest in a church that was rented by Russian Orthodox Church from the Russian Government. Not to mentioned that they were paroled several times before for other kind of deeds, raging from taking illegal platforms of protest, up until obstruction of police. They deserved those 2 years and I think they Russian justice system was lennient (a man would've gotten at least 5 years for this in Russia).
Also, you should look at what their ideologies are. Most of the members of Pussy Riot are crazed feminists with a Trotkist view of anarcho-comunism. So, some of you blamed them for being commies/fascists, but nobody blamed these girls for embracing extreme ideologies. When they were presented in the EU Parliament it made me sick.
I am not a Russian fan, but I have to agree with them regarding this issue with Pussy Riot, but nor regarding Behemoth. As somebody else said, if there was something wrong with the visa, it would've been noticed at border, not 10 days after they entered. It was clearly a move orchestrated by someone that does not really like them. It may be the Russian Orthodox Church, but it might also be some MPs that share much of the anti-western views. Especially now because Polish-Russian foreign relations are cold.
Loading...
|
Bad English Tage Westerlund
Posts: 62032 |
Yes true but Pussy is anti putin and all such shit what is there and in Pol you cant be arested because you say something about Roland Tusk ... not such political case, but ore ordinary case for smahing properthy and so on .... I agree destroying proprethy is a CRIME no metter nazie, anti fa, red, black or white
Pussy is diferenbt story .
but this band ha snathics and they ahve been in trial in Poland as well, but Rus ortoodox church patriarh Kyril is frien whit Putin and his regime supporter... Rus banned Sabbaton (IMO) for WWII song singing where ''they glorify nazie'' and last year events in Rus this arest might be political
anti homosexual law
some kind slavic perfect family ideas
putin taking over coubrol
Crimea shit
shut down GPS support sythem
wanna ban facebook
eurovision ''scandal''
new fight aganst western ideas
pro ussr idialogy reborn
so all events in last year ... it can suggest it might be not only visa isue ... maybe deeper, since this band antics
----
I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens.
Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
Loading...
|
PocketMetal
Posts: 750
|
"Detained in Russia" sounds like a great name for their next album. Can't wait.
Loading...
|
Unhealer Eclecticist
Posts: 2311 |
It is too much of a coincidence that Nergal's moustache in the first pic makes up for a Varg resemblance.
Loading...
|