Written by skeletorissatan on 29.09.2011 at 13:42

Endless Pain, Coma Of Souls and Pleasure To Kill are the best Classic Kreator (in order of course)
Enemy Of God, Hordes Of Chaos are the best Modern Kreator (again, ive given them an order-screw what people will tell you, EOG is WAY better than Hordes Of Chaos
Overall, it goes Enemy Of God, Endless Pain, Coma Of Souls, Pleasure To Kill, Hordes Of Chaos

it's funny that you put endless pain so high. extreme aggression and coma of souls can simply make it sound really average. they are much better albums imo.

Written by Deadmeat on 29.09.2011 at 13:52

Written by skeletorissatan on 29.09.2011 at 13:42

Endless Pain, Coma Of Souls and Pleasure To Kill are the best Classic Kreator (in order of course)
Enemy Of God, Hordes Of Chaos are the best Modern Kreator (again, ive given them an order-screw what people will tell you, EOG is WAY better than Hordes Of Chaos
Overall, it goes Enemy Of God, Endless Pain, Coma Of Souls, Pleasure To Kill, Hordes Of Chaos

it's funny that you put endless pain so high. extreme aggression and coma of souls can simply make it sound really average. they are much better albums imo.

I just really liked it, because of how raw it is. I guess its jsut a matter of opinion. That was back in the days when Kreator were less melodic and fairly brutal. Sure, they never lost ANY of their integrity, but i just liked Endless Pain. It was also the LAST Kreator album i brought, so it has no sentimental value to me whatsoever

In my opinion Hordes Of Chaos was a bit of a let down because I had really high expectations for that album. Kreator is my favourite Thrash metal band and their post-endorama suff is just incredible so I think I set the bar to high for Hordes Of Chaos. The only real gems of that album for me are Warcurse and Amok Run, the rest of the album is just flat and uninspiring. The bass is turned to much down and the album as a total just loses me after the first couple of songs.
I don't really hate their experimental era, but their early stuf and their newer stuf are definitely better.
My top 5 would probably be:
1) Extreme Aggressions
2) Enemy Of God
3) Violent Revolution
4) Pleasure To Kill
5) Enless Pain
All of them are masterpieces that I would all rate 9+. Which album I put in a certain place also depends a lot on my mood...

Kreator is one my top 3 thrash bands alongside with Slayer and Pantera. Petrozza's vocals are different from anything i've heard in the genre, the instrumental it's fast and aggressive (nothing new here) and the lyrics are excellent. I actually liked Endorama and Outcast because they were the first albuns i've listened. Of course that changed when Violent Revolution was released. That album made see that there are a solid act despite the fact that since Renewal to Endorama they strayed from the thrash genre. IMO the best thrash metal band outside of US.

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 20:29

Kreator is one my top 3 thrash bands alongside with Slayer and Pantera. Petrozza's vocals are different from anything i've heard in the genre, the instrumental it's fast and aggressive (nothing new here) and the lyrics are excellent. I actually liked Endorama and Outcast because they were the first albuns i've listened. Of course that changed when Violent Revolution was released. That album made see that there are a solid act despite the fact that since Renewal to Endorama they strayed from the thrash genre. IMO the best thrash metal band outside of US.

Pantera is more like groove metal than thrash metal right? excellent band though

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 20:34
Pantera is more like groove metal than thrash metal right?

I would definitely say so.

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 20:34

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 20:29

Kreator is one my top 3 thrash bands alongside with Slayer and Pantera. Petrozza's vocals are different from anything i've heard in the genre, the instrumental it's fast and aggressive (nothing new here) and the lyrics are excellent. I actually liked Endorama and Outcast because they were the first albuns i've listened. Of course that changed when Violent Revolution was released. That album made see that there are a solid act despite the fact that since Renewal to Endorama they strayed from the thrash genre. IMO the best thrash metal band outside of US.

Pantera is more like groove metal than thrash metal right? excellent band though

Well i've always associated it with thrash metal and Metalstorm marks it as groove thrash metal. It's not typical 80s thrash but i guess it's still thrashy in some aspects.

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 21:20
Well i've always associated it with thrash metal and Metalstorm marks it as groove thrash metal. It's not typical 80s thrash but i guess it's still thrashy in some aspects.

Well groove is basically mid-tempo thrash; the reason we have groove thrash is simply because we haven't added groove metal on its own.

Yeah the line between those two are quite blurry but there definitely is a line. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder are Groove metal to me.

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 21:32

Yeah the line between those two are quite blurry but there definitely is a line. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder are Groove metal to me.

both play thrash. Call it groove thrash if you like but it's still thrash and the first Exhorder is clearly thrash cause at times it's almost a Salyer rip-off. Shame that their The Law is quite a medicore album and lacking any bite, venom and speed.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 21:58

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 21:32

Yeah the line between those two are quite blurry but there definitely is a line. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder are Groove metal to me.

both play thrash. Call it groove thrash if you like but it's still thrash and the first Exhorder is clearly thrash cause at times it's almost a Salyer rip-off. Shame that their The Law is quite a medicore album and lacking any bite, venom and speed.

That's what I say, the line is quite blurry, you call it thrash, I call it Groove.
Also I disagree with The Law being medicore which you bring as a fact and isn't

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 22:02

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 21:58

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 21:32

Yeah the line between those two are quite blurry but there definitely is a line. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder are Groove metal to me.

both play thrash. Call it groove thrash if you like but it's still thrash and the first Exhorder is clearly thrash cause at times it's almost a Salyer rip-off. Shame that their The Law is quite a medicore album and lacking any bite, venom and speed.

That's what I say, the line is quite blurry, you call it thrash, I call it Groove.
Also I disagree with The Law being medicore which you bring as a fact and isn't

this is a forum and when someone types something about whether or not something is good it is always an opinion. I don't have to put imo there, now do I? Because usually everything I type is my opinion and not someone elses

As for groove, it's a subgenre of thrash, simple as that, just like there's technical thrash and Bay Area thrash to denote a sound.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 22:06
Because usually everything I type is my opinion and not someone elses

Unfortunately people do write other peoples' opinions out as if they were their own.

That being said, nobody should ever have to write the whole "imo" thing.

Kreator is a good band with some ups and downs. That's my opinion, but I should be able to state it without explaining it's my opinion.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 22:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 22:06
Because usually everything I type is my opinion and not someone elses

Unfortunately people do write other peoples' opinions out as if they were their own.

That being said, nobody should ever have to write the whole "imo" thing.

Kreator is a good band with some ups and downs. That's my opinion, but I should be able to state it without explaining it's my opinion.

Excatly. True on all three counts btw. Except I only consider Kreator to have one, two or three good albums

I know it's his opinion due to the context, that doesnt mean it's correct. I agree you shouldn't need to do that in a normal conversation, but there stumble a lot of people on forums that are not as intelligent as we are and take it as it is. Saying you don't need to say imo because it's a forum doesn't make sense as you can still post facts on a forum...

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 22:15

I know it's his opinion due to the context, that doesnt mean it's correct. I agree you shouldn't need to do that in a normal conversation, but there stumble a lot of people on forums that are not as intelligent as we are and take it as it is. Saying you don't need to say imo because it's a forum doesn't make sense as you can still post facts on a forum...

but it's clear, even to the most dimbwitted morons around, that when it comes to liking or disliking a sort of music or a band that it is never fact and always an opinion.
Stating Metallica started in 1990 is WRONG because the FACT is they started in 1981. Those are facts and not tastes.

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 22:15
I know it's his opinion due to the context, that doesnt mean it's correct. I agree you shouldn't need to do that in a normal conversation, but there stumble a lot of people on forums that are not as intelligent as we are and take it as it is. Saying you don't need to say imo because it's a forum doesn't make sense as you can still post facts on a forum...

Yes but "Kreator is a good band" is not a factual statement, it's a purely subjective statement and therefore an opinion.

Saying something like Kreator sold xx copies of album a/b/c is a factual statement...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 22:20

Written by NLthrasher on 28.11.2011 at 22:15

I know it's his opinion due to the context, that doesnt mean it's correct. I agree you shouldn't need to do that in a normal conversation, but there stumble a lot of people on forums that are not as intelligent as we are and take it as it is. Saying you don't need to say imo because it's a forum doesn't make sense as you can still post facts on a forum...

but it's clear, even to the most dimbwitted morons around, that when it comes to liking or disliking a sort of music or a band that it is never fact and always an opinion.
Stating Metallica started in 1990 is WRONG because the FACT is they started in 1981. Those are facts and not tastes.

I get your point, though it doesn't make it politically correct, thats what I'm saying;)

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 21:58
both play thrash. Call it groove thrash if you like but it's still thrash and the first Exhorder is clearly thrash cause at times it's almost a Salyer rip-off. Shame that their The Law is quite a medicore album and lacking any bite, venom and speed.

Yep. Pantera played a more modern version of thrash, but it's still thrash nonetheless. Sure, some of their stuff is mid-paced, but most of the 80's thrash bands (well the good ones anyway) also had some mid-paced songs in their catalogues. Is "Brain Dead" by Exodus groove metal because it's mid-paced?

And yes, Exhorder's first album is definitely a thrash album. I also agree that "The Law" is a medicore album, though that's mainly because most of the songs sound very similar. There's not enough variation in the material to excite me...

Personally I hear more comparison between Exhorder and Pantera than Exhorder and Slayer

I think that some people spend too much time cataloging bands. You can say that Pantera is groove or thrash but we can all agree that's a great band no matter what we decide to brand their music.

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 22:59
You can say that Pantera is groove or thrash but we can all agree that's a great band no matter what we decide to brand their music.

Now that I will have to disagree with. I think Pantera is probably one of the worst bands to come out of the thrash scene.

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 22:59

I think that some people spend too much time cataloging bands. You can say that Pantera is groove or thrash but we can all agree that's a great band no matter what we decide to brand their music.

Agreed.

^true, it doesn't change the music and this topic has nothing to do with kreator anymore for to long xD

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 23:02

Written by [user id=121968] on 28.11.2011 at 22:59
You can say that Pantera is groove or thrash but we can all agree that's a great band no matter what we decide to brand their music.

Now that I will have to disagree with. I think Pantera is probably one of the worst bands to come out of the thrash scene.

You're intitled to your opinion and i respect it. I don't agree but life needs contrast or else the world would be all black.

Kreator > Pantera.

Boom back on topic.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 23:18

Kreator > Pantera.

Boom back on topic.

Nope, Pantera (all its eras) > Kreator.

Back off-topic


But you're right back on-topic, also by me.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 23:36

Nope, Pantera (all its eras) > Kreator.

That's whack, yo!

Been a fan of Kreator since their first album came out, and still find a few of their earliest albums to be my favorites. Pleasure To Kill, Coma Of Souls, and even Terrible Certainty have given me many memorable songs to enjoy. Enemy Of God and Hordes Of Chaos approached the greatness of those earlier works, but can't top the raw, pioneering song-structures, riffs, and overall sound of their earlier releases.

I finally got to see them live for the first time within the past year. They absolutely destroyed the place and gave a killer performance and lengthy set. Kreator are truly a quality outfit who have more than just stood the test of time.

I will forever love this band for getting me into more extreme music... I loved thrash metal but didn't yet like death metal. After listening to Kreator for awhile I got used to the more extreme vocals and started liking them. Now I like death metal even more than thrash because of this band.