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Written by Shadowcross on 17.07.2010 at 22:29
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Oh god...
Just split up already.
Why do people always comment news from bands they don't like but are prominent (well known) saying "Who cares" .. and "break up already"..? There is seriously some sad and jaded people around.
Because they have been huge fans of said bands' old work and get sadder and sadder seeing those bands destroy their own legacy by producing albums people expect from them instead of geniune art.
Don't mistake me for Marcel. I do generally listen to other stuff today but I was a big fan of Nightwish around the time of Wishmaster.
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I know enough people, who were fans of NW around Wishmaster and still are fans of NW now...or at least they can pay some respect to them now, when they cannot personally adore them anymore...therefore i can honestly say, that anyone putting dirt on Nightwish today is nothing but a sad case of poseur
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Written by [user id=105293] on 18.07.2010 at 07:39
Name five songs from past albums, that have been heavier than Master Passion Greed.
maybe not all five you want, but definitely three - "The Siren", "10th Man Down" and "Romanticide"...
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Shadowcross is a pussy. Metal is like a rollercoaster ride designed by tim burton. Go cry emo kid. No one should care about nightwish because they dont have their old singer, and their new singer is just as emotional at the old one. I went to see them live 2 times and BOTH time they didnt play because of her emo issues or she broke water or for whatever fucking reason. Nightwish is gay. suck it.
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What whats the difference between ddp and nemo? dumb..
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Written by [user id=105293] on 18.07.2010 at 07:39
Because is boring, except for some good songs.
Because of Annete.
Because it's full of fillers.
Because "For The Hearth I Once Had", the worst song in Nightwish history.
Because it's too soft.
Enough reasons I understand people can like it, but there are enough reasons to hate it aswell... XD
"Because it's full of fillers."
Every Nightwish album has fillers and overrated singles. What's the difference between Amaranth and Nemo? Between Bye Bye Beautiful and Wish I Had An Angel? '
"Because "For The Hearth I Once Had", the worst song in Nightwish history."
I'd easily give that title to Wish I Had An Angel or even Forever from Century Child.
"Because it's too soft"
Name five songs from past albums, that have been heavier than Master Passion Greed.
I totally agree
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Written by Ancient Ruin on 18.07.2010 at 10:44
Shadowcross is a pussy. Metal is like a rollercoaster ride designed by tim burton. Go cry emo kid. No one should care about nightwish because they dont have their old singer, and their new singer is just as emotional at the old one. I went to see them live 2 times and BOTH time they didnt play because of her emo issues or she broke water or for whatever fucking reason. Nightwish is gay. suck it.
That is what Tuomas said you retard... not me.
You obviously didn't even read the news then you come here to flame.
No album votes, no fave bands, recent sign-up = American loser.
I agree with someone above.. "For The Heart I Once Had", could easily be the worst song in Nightwish history.. definitely one to skip.
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Name five songs from past albums, that have been heavier than Master Passion Greed.
maybe not all five you want, but definitely three - "The Siren", "10th Man Down" and "Romanticide"...
You're kidding right? I said HEAVIER. Jeebus...next you're going to claim that Ocean Soul is heavier than Whoever Brings The Night.
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Written by Ellrohir on 18.07.2010 at 10:40
Name five songs from past albums, that have been heavier than Master Passion Greed.
maybe not all five you want, but definitely three - "The Siren", "10th Man Down" and "Romanticide"...
You're kidding right? I said HEAVIER. Jeebus...next you're going to claim that Ocean Soul is heavier than Whoever Brings The Night.
Why do the songs have to be heavy? I miss the times of good lyrics and interesting structues. Blastbeats and orchestrations don't automatically make a song good.
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Nice to see the trolls are out in droves...
I'm looking forward to what they come up with. Excited for the new release.
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Because is boring, except for some good songs.
Because of Annete.
Because it's full of fillers.
Because "For The Hearth I Once Had", the worst song in Nightwish history.
Because it's too soft.
Enough reasons I understand people can like it, but there are enough reasons to hate it aswell... XD
"Because it's full of fillers."
Every Nightwish album has fillers and overrated singles. What's the difference between Amaranth and Nemo? Between Bye Bye Beautiful and Wish I Had An Angel? '
"Because "For The Hearth I Once Had", the worst song in Nightwish history."
I'd easily give that title to Wish I Had An Angel or even Forever from Century Child.
"Because it's too soft"
Name five songs from past albums, that have been heavier than Master Passion Greed.
1º Amaranth is not exactly the filler. "Cadence of the Last Breath", Whoever Brings the Night, For The Hearth I Once Had. About the Overrated songs, I agree.
2º The difference is that For The Hearth I Once Had is just a pop song. It doesn't even fit in the spirit of the album, or Nightwish spirit. The ones you name are at least in the spirit of the album, or Nightwish spirit if you prefer.
3º Master Passion Greed is a good exception in the album, but it's not enough to make the album heavier. Neither can "The Poet and The Pendulum, you can't make an album of two good songs (well, maybe 4 or 5) and 8 songs that you will easily forget, that never happened to me before in a nightwish album.
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Written by Irritable Ted on 18.07.2010 at 15:11
Don't care what anyone says. If you don't like them then don't listen to them, simple.
The whole vocalist argument was old and boring many, many years ago. Bon Scott isn't in AC/DC anymore either.
I'm looking forward to the new album. I have liked all of their stuff, from the early days, right up to DDP.
Tarja's new album is out soon, so if you prefer her then why don't you buy that instead.
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I agree with most of what you say. I am also fed up with this Tarja vs. Annette debate. Both are very good vocalists, and I don't blame Annette for the shitty songs in DDP (which are very few), she did an amazing job in songs like The Poet and the Pendulum and Meadows of Heaven. Her live performance are very good and fresh (eventhough some songs do not sound as good with her singing style).
Anyway, I don't think Nightwish would of have sounded any better if Tarja was still in the band (I love her voice though). The problem, in my humble opinion, is the the songwriting. Toumas has lost his originality, his music started to decay right after Wishmaster when they started to include way too many symphonic passages. At the moment Toumas seems like a Hans Zimmer wannabe, but even as an admirer he should have realized by now that no one will match the greatness of Mr. Zimmer.
I started listening to Nightwish back in 1999, Angels Fall First was a really original album, and until today I still consider it as their best album (despite its flaws). I don't think Nightwish has ever put out a weak album, but their albums have progressively gotten worse over time (huge decline after Wishmaster). I would love if Toumas would simply go back to his roots or start a side project where he could start composing his pseudo-scores without degrading his main band.
Nightwish has lost its uniqueness. They still manage to put out a few great songs here and there (I'm a big fan of all of their 10+ minutes songs for some reason, and really wish they had put "The Escapist" in DPP) but they have never managed to compose music as unique and fresh as they did in their first three albums.
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Tarja vs Anette debate =
Quote: Anyway, I don't think Nightwish would of have sounded any better if Tarja was still in the band (I love her voice though). The problem, in my humble opinion, is the the songwriting. Toumas has lost his originality, his music started to decay right after Wishmaster when they started to include way too many symphonic passages. At the moment Toumas seems like a Hans Zimmer wannabe, but even as an admirer he should have realized by now that no one will match the greatness of Mr. Zimmer.
Agreed. I don't mind Tuomas's attempts at being film-scorey, but they're costing Nightwish the strength of its songwriting (as you said).
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Sorry shadowcross, I was drunk when I wrote that. Anyways, I use to be a Nightwish fan.. when they were good. Not a die hard one, but I enjoyed them, but they totally suck now ever since they got their new singer. The band died with Tarja to be honest, because their sound was cool, regardless of the guitar, drums, fillers, whatever they did. The Epic-ness died. and saying that im less intelligent in my knowledge of metal because I dont have info on how metal I am or that I am a new member is irrelevant. I have been on metalstorm for years. Yes I am from the USA but I fucking went to Norway to see kamelot and pagans mind play (stopping first in amsterdam of course). I write, record, live, breath metal... sorry I dont have facebook info for you to look over and judge me, ill try to put some up for you though.:necro:
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I was really hoping that this album would be acoustic. :/
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1º Amaranth is not exactly the filler. "Cadence of the Last Breath", Whoever Brings the Night, For The Hearth I Once Had. About the Overrated songs, I agree.
2º The difference is that For The Hearth I Once Had is just a pop song. It doesn't even fit in the spirit of the album, or Nightwish spirit. The ones you name are at least in the spirit of the album, or Nightwish spirit if you prefer.
3º Master Passion Greed is a good exception in the album, but it's not enough to make the album heavier. Neither can "The Poet and The Pendulum, you can't make an album of two good songs (well, maybe 4 or 5) and 8 songs that you will easily forget, that never happened to me before in a nightwish album.
"The difference is that For The Hearth I Once Had is just a pop song. It doesn't even fit in the spirit of the album, or Nightwish spirit."
I'd sooner trust Tuomas' word for what fits on a Nightwish album than yours. That aside, I am not crazy about FTHIOH either, but neither did I care for half the songs on Once and Century Child.
"Master Passion Greed is a good exception in the album, but it's not enough to make the album heavier."
So according to that logic, I could take away Romanticide from and Once and it would remain just as heavy?
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Quilmes?? Tuomas refers to argentinian beer?:o
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Written by Ancient Ruin on 18.07.2010 at 22:58
The band died with Tarja to be honest
Tarja Turunen is alive.
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Written by [user id=105293] on 19.07.2010 at 00:02
Written by Ancient Ruin on 18.07.2010 at 22:58
The band died with Tarja to be honest
Tarja Turunen is alive.
...and making boring music. My Winter Storm is a very boring album
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...and making boring music. My Winter Storm is a very boring album
Yup. It was a boring pop album with a few hints of classical scattered here and there. There was one song (the name of which I have forgotten) that was a very comical (and pathetic) attempt at trash metal. I did like one song on it, but I have forgotten that one too. That's what happens when an album isn't good enough to remember.
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People who call My Winter Storm a pop album and DPP a metal album, allways make me laugh. If there's one pop singer, It's Anette Olzon.
Looking forward to the new NW and the new Tarja album. Although I have more faith in Tarja then in NW..
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Written by [user id=105293] on 18.07.2010 at 23:59
"Master Passion Greed is a good exception in the album, but it's not enough to make the album heavier."
So according to that logic, I could take away Romanticide from and Once and it would remain just as heavy?
Yep. Making Marko sing or not it's not what makes the difference. We still have "Dark Chest of Wonders" (Heavier than almost any song in DPP, except for MPG and some sections of The Poet and the Pendulum"), Wish I had an Angel (Maybe not the best song, but it's heavy anyway) and Planet Hell.
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Written by Sorcha on 19.07.2010 at 00:59
People who call My Winter Storm a pop album and DPP a metal album, allways make me laugh. If there's one pop singer, It's Anette Olzon.
Looking forward to the new NW and the new Tarja album. Although I have more faith in Tarja then in NW..
"If there's one pop singer, It's Anette Olzon "
Except that Anette sings metal and Tarja sings pop with folk and classical influence.
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Play it straight Nightwish. This is still the same news as before with alot of explicitly 'boring' details(PA systems and what-not). How about some concrete news..like a tentative title for the next album?!
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Looking forward to another solid album.. Don't let us down Tuomas! i'm eager to see how you can top The Poet and The Pendulum in terms of grandiose
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I guess I will never understand why this band gets so much attention. One of the most boring and pop-ish band on the metal scene. They stand for everything that is wrong with flower cheesemetal.
I utterly disliked them at first listen and I still dislike them to this day.
I hate Powermetal but I think I find this band more unworthy of attention than any other.
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Written by RavenKing on 21.07.2010 at 14:39
I guess I will never understand why this band gets so much attention. One of the most boring and pop-ish band on the metal scene. They stand for everything that is wrong with flower cheesemetal.
I utterly disliked them at first listen and I still dislike them to this day.
I hate Powermetal but I think I find this band more unworthy of attention than any other.
Nope that would be Sabaton (Read my Hellfest account on them)
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Written by RavenKing on 21.07.2010 at 14:39
I utterly disliked them at first listen and I still dislike them to this day.
and i was bind to metal thanks to them...without them i wouldnt know any other (and possibly better) metal band
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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Noone cares about some Tarja in this topic
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