Rap has no music value. Rap dont fall under professional Music. Rap lyrics are hidious. example, take the songs like 'ignition, thong song, right thur' and so much more. ignition is abt some dude walking from one traffic light to another and so on. that nelly dude even made a song about his shoes.
some are lyrically good, but musically a sound of fart. lyrcially good like 2pac, eminem, public enemy...i like Rage Againt The Machines. but rap over all is just a pathetic fart sounding trumpet.
i hate the way they dress, i hate the condoms on their head, i hate the low baggy pants, i hate the walk, i hate the attitude, i hate them waering those gold chains, i hate them wearing sunglasses at night in a shopping mall, i hate how all music videos has 'booty shakin'.
i despise rap.
just my opinion.

There are two rap songs out there that 0wnZZZ: It's All About The Pentiums and White and Nerdy!!!! 0\/\/|\|463!!!

Written by [user id=14851] on 24.09.2006 at 13:17

Rap has no music value. Rap dont fall under professional Music. Rap lyrics are hidious. example, take the songs like 'ignition, thong song, right thur' and so much more. ignition is abt some dude walking from one traffic light to another and so on. that nelly dude even made a song about his shoes.
some are lyrically good, but musically a sound of fart. lyrcially good like 2pac, eminem, public enemy...i like Rage Againt The Machines. but rap over all is just a pathetic fart sounding trumpet.
i hate the way they dress, i hate the condoms on their head, i hate the low baggy pants, i hate the walk, i hate the attitude, i hate them waering those gold chains, i hate them wearing sunglasses at night in a shopping mall, i hate how all music videos has 'booty shakin'.
i despise rap.
just my opinion.

Well as far as the instrumentation being bad,
a lot of it is actually really good, there are lots
of rappers who actually write the music the falls
behind their lyrics, Mike Shenoda is a great example,
And Dr. Dre took hip hop and changed it from dry drum
beats and basslines and turned it into a Funky, more
energetic backdrop, today we have melodic piano and keyboards
that fall behind it, and some rappers like Ludacris and Outkast
even use guitar.

Rap has no musical value? At least it's better than heavy metal. All heavy metal bands do is downtune so they don't have to put effort into making it heavy. And metal lyrics are so fucking stupid, they're all about killing your parents and suicide. And I can't stand metal fans, they all think they're so hardcore just because their parents buy them accessories from Hot Topic.

Written by [user id=1455] on 26.09.2006 at 18:34

Rap has no musical value? At least it's better than heavy metal. All heavy metal bands do is downtune so they don't have to put effort into making it heavy. And metal lyrics are so fucking stupid, they're all about killing your parents and suicide. And I can't stand metal fans, they all think they're so hardcore just because their parents buy them accessories from Hot Topic.

Oh man, you got it all wrong, any genre of music has it's good and
bad, wether it be rap, metal, rock, reggae, jazz, blues, etc.....
Metal is a great thing, and so is rap, They both have intelligent
and at times stupid lyrics, the fact is that they encompass everything
a person can feel or think or say, they're equally great genres, which
is why they're my two favorite, besides, arn't you a metal fan? Why else
would you be a member of MS?

I was once very much into rap,well at least the Wu-Tang Clan,I still am into just not as much.I liked every sub-group from the clan as well, such as Killarmy,Gravediggaz,Sunz Of Man,Brooklyn Zu,Manchuz,La the Darkman,Wu-Syndicate,Shyheim and more.Most of the artists are very talented lyricists especially Gza and Killa Sin,La the Darkman and Hell Razah,but some are fake and commercial.I once had the Wu-Tang Manual which described the science behind the group in heavy detail.Also Bone Thugz first 3 albums are also classics,and anyone that is getting into rap should check them out.

Written by [user id=14851] on 24.09.2006 at 13:17

Rap has no music value. Rap dont fall under professional Music. Rap lyrics are hidious. example, take the songs like 'ignition, thong song, right thur' and so much more. ignition is abt some dude walking from one traffic light to another and so on. that nelly dude even made a song about his shoes.
some are lyrically good, but musically a sound of fart. lyrcially good like 2pac, eminem, public enemy...i like Rage Againt The Machines. but rap over all is just a pathetic fart sounding trumpet.
i hate the way they dress, i hate the condoms on their head, i hate the low baggy pants, i hate the walk, i hate the attitude, i hate them waering those gold chains, i hate them wearing sunglasses at night in a shopping mall, i hate how all music videos has 'booty shakin'.
i despise rap.
just my opinion.

you are talking about rap in popular culture wich is absolutly disgusting. but if you look at the serious bands you will find out that rap issent about gold, cars and women. My favorite rap group looptroop writes kinda punk lyrics!!

Check out The Roots and search for simiral artists...That's the kind of rap I admire.

@ Twist: I agree, the root's Kick Mucho ass. (Don't say Nuthin'

Written by Arian Totalis on 27.09.2006 at 23:13

@ Twist: I agree, the root's Kick Mucho ass. (Don't say Nuthin'

Great,there's some other people who like them here! What separates them from the "bling bling" kind of rappers,is that they play with real instruments and have SOLOS! But there's more than just The Roots,they just are probably my favorites. Have you heard their new album,Game Theory? It's the one with the sitck-guy (or whatever it is in english) hanged on the cover. I've heard a few songs from it,seems to be a pretty cool album and a bit more serious than The Tipping Point or the rest. I'll have to check out the rest of it too...

Written by Twist on 30.09.2006 at 18:15

Written by Arian Totalis on 27.09.2006 at 23:13

@ Twist: I agree, the root's Kick Mucho ass. (Don't say Nuthin'

Great,there's some other people who like them here! What separates them from the "bling bling" kind of rappers,is that they play with real instruments and have SOLOS! But there's more than just The Roots,they just are probably my favorites. Have you heard their new album,Game Theory? It's the one with the sitck-guy (or whatever it is in english) hanged on the cover. I've heard a few songs from it,seems to be a pretty cool album and a bit more serious than The Tipping Point or the rest. I'll have to check out the rest of it too...

I havn't listened to them for a while to be honest, But I think Organix is a Great album, and so is Home Grown.

Yeah,"Organix" is a great debut album. Too bad I can't find it anywhere,I remember enjoying it when I borrowed it from a library. If I remember correct,the "Home Grown!" albums are compilations,there's Vol.1 and Vol.2. But I think The Roots got better on their later albums,after "Things Fall Apart" it all went for better (not that the albums before would be bad ).

Written by Arian Totalis on 27.09.2006 at 01:21

Written by [user id=1455] on 26.09.2006 at 18:34

Rap has no musical value? At least it's better than heavy metal. All heavy metal bands do is downtune so they don't have to put effort into making it heavy. And metal lyrics are so fucking stupid, they're all about killing your parents and suicide. And I can't stand metal fans, they all think they're so hardcore just because their parents buy them accessories from Hot Topic.

Oh man, you got it all wrong, any genre of music has it's good and
bad, wether it be rap, metal, rock, reggae, jazz, blues, etc.....
Metal is a great thing, and so is rap, They both have intelligent
and at times stupid lyrics, the fact is that they encompass everything
a person can feel or think or say, they're equally great genres, which
is why they're my two favorite, besides, arn't you a metal fan? Why else
would you be a member of MS?

Please do yourself a favor, read this and then re-read Collision's post again


I used to like Hip Hop when I was younger, but I don't like what Hip Hop has turned to nowadays. All that bling-bling, gangsta style, gold chains and the discriminating talk about bitches and hoes really turns me off. I've never been much into underground rap, but I could imagine that that kind of stuff is for the underground Hip Hop scene what Nu Metal and Metalcore is for us underground metalheads: the inferior side of our beloved style that gets attention from the media, shapes the general perception in the mainstream and thus attracts the Hot Topic kiddies none of us really likes. And I'm glad that in days like these groups like Outkast and Cypress Hill can still get through without jumping on the "bitches and bling-bling" bandwagon. Good ol' days when Run DMC and Beastie Boys still represented what it all was about.

Enough of my history whining. I still enjoy rap when it doesn't have blatantly stupid and discriminating lyrics (Snoop Dogg is quite good at those), when it is powerful and energetic (DMX, Dead Prez), up-beat (I'm still impressed by LL Cool J's fast shots in "Shut Em' Down") or at least has a good beat to make up for any deficiencies (Dr. Dre, Fort Minor). Unfortunately too much of today's Hip Hop relies on those beats, so that every third-class rapper can get high sales as long as a good producer sits behind the tables - Jay-Z definitely belongs into that league of heavily overrated artists. The absolute opposite are The Roots who score a lot alone by the fact that they use actual instruments, which adds a kind of grooviness and funkiness I miss in most rap music. But yeah, as you can guess from all of my examples I never really dug my way through to the underground. It wasn't until this thread that I actually made myself aware of the fact that good Hip Hop actually does exist.


EDIT:
Listening to some The Roots stuff on Youtube, I stumbled over this song which pretty much sums up the entire first half of post

@Promonex: wow, I really apreciate that song, it actually reminds me of Dead Prez with the Messege pertrayed in the song/Video.

But I really don't neceserrily Mind the whole Bling-bling thing, or the Gangsta thing, Because there are still rappers in that field who do a lot for their communitys and spread wise messeges, Just Listen th the song
"I Can" by Nas, in the song he tells children how if they work hard, it doesn't matter how much money you have, you can grow up to be what you want. Tupac Has an endless number of songs that deals with the aspect of fighting urban Decay. Brenda's got a baby is a perfect example. But still, thanks for the song. It's pretty good.

Written by Arian Totalis on 30.09.2006 at 23:22

@Promonex: wow, I really apreciate that song, it actually reminds me of Dead Prez with the Messege pertrayed in the song/Video.

But I really don't neceserrily Mind the whole Bling-bling thing, or the Gangsta thing, Because there are still rappers in that field who do a lot for their communitys and spread wise messeges, Just Listen th the song
"I Can" by Nas, in the song he tells children how if they work hard, it doesn't matter how much money you have, you can grow up to be what you want. Tupac Has an endless number of songs that deals with the aspect of fighting urban Decay. Brenda's got a baby is a perfect example. But still, thanks for the song. It's pretty good.

Right on. Whenever people talk about rap and hip hop,it's linked to gangsta rap and music videos with gold,cars,(in most cases) black women,all these expensive clothes and stuff. And if you like metal,that's when people usually think you hate rap and hip hop. But it seems to me there are some people here who understand the WHOLE genre more deeper. Cool.

Written by Twist on 05.10.2006 at 17:35

Written by Arian Totalis on 30.09.2006 at 23:22

@Promonex: wow, I really apreciate that song, it actually reminds me of Dead Prez with the Messege pertrayed in the song/Video.

But I really don't neceserrily Mind the whole Bling-bling thing, or the Gangsta thing, Because there are still rappers in that field who do a lot for their communitys and spread wise messeges, Just Listen th the song
"I Can" by Nas, in the song he tells children how if they work hard, it doesn't matter how much money you have, you can grow up to be what you want. Tupac Has an endless number of songs that deals with the aspect of fighting urban Decay. Brenda's got a baby is a perfect example. But still, thanks for the song. It's pretty good.

Right on. Whenever people talk about rap and hip hop,it's linked to gangsta rap and music videos with gold,cars,(in most cases) black women,all these expensive clothes and stuff. And if you like metal,that's when people usually think you hate rap and hip hop. But it seems to me there are some people here who understand the WHOLE genre more deeper. Cool.

Yeah, when it comes down to it music is universal, there is good and bad in it all,
and it's important to understand that if we are to call ourselves music fans.

Agreed. I don't like all metal either so...

By the way,do you like beatboxing? It doesn't necessarily belong to either rap or hip hop,at least I don't consider it like that,but it does incorporate some rap/techno/hip hop-beats. Here's a couple of videos I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55C0RirU3yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ46jC5Dfb0

Damn,this is fun stuff! And requires a lot of skill too.

Written by Twist on 05.10.2006 at 23:14

Agreed. I don't like all metal either so...

By the way,do you like beatboxing? It doesn't necessarily belong to either rap or hip hop,at least I don't consider it like that,but it does incorporate some rap/techno/hip hop-beats. Here's a couple of videos I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55C0RirU3yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ46jC5Dfb0

Damn,this is fun stuff! And requires a lot of skill too.

Wow dude, that was a rush, thank you for that.
I'd like to hear a rapper do a freestyle over that,
and it's also cool that Bustu Rhymes did the intro
to the first one to.

Haha,yeah! I really like the fact that these guys have a gread sense of rhythm and dynamics. Beatboxing must be a hard skill to master.

@Twist: No Doubt. It must also be hard to be a rap Musician and be so hated by the rest of the musical world as well.

The only rap I like is some local Norwegian gangstaaaahh rAp. It's so bad that I laugh my ass off. But some of the rappers are ironic, and they have hilarious lyrics, ment to be funny.

Yeah, I've been to a Rahzel/Patton concert a few years ago and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. They even created a techno song with their voices at one point.

I love the beats Grandmaster Flash knocks out, hell of a guy. I do love Wu-Tang Clan's debut album.
But this it, that's just all. I tried to listen to some rap due to friends who like it, but I couldn't get into it.

P.s: Befor I forget, lyrics, I love 2Pac's set of lyrics, awesome as hell.

Written by AnGina-- on 24.09.2006 at 13:46

There are two rap songs out there that 0wnZZZ: It's All About The Pentiums and White and Nerdy!!!! 0\/\/|\|463!!!

I definitely agree with you there!

As for all other rap, listening to it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The only time I find it enjoyable is when it is parodied, for example, what Weird Al Yankovic has created with songs like 'Couch Potato' and 'White And Nerdy'.

Here are some Links to some cool rap Songs

Tupac- Brendas Got a Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INKufKTOhc

Nas-I can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt9OUlAqG_4

Nas-Hate Me Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmbFCkaDbbE

Nas-Got Urself a Gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49YGm6JnLiY

Wutang Clan-C.R.E.A.M.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e69laCvKxEw

Snoop Dogg-Vato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh-SYzJZtaU

I'm really happy the old snoop is coming back.

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.10.2006 at 01:56

Wutang Clan-C.R.E.A.M.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e69laCvKxEw

This has got the be one of the best rap songs ever wirtten, performed and produced.
Awesome beats and the lyrics are just superb, thx for the link dude.

Written by [user id=14220] on 21.10.2006 at 14:38

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.10.2006 at 01:56

Wutang Clan-C.R.E.A.M.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e69laCvKxEw

This has got the be one of the best rap songs ever wirtten, performed and produced.
Awesome beats and the lyrics are just superb, thx for the link dude.

It's definitley one of my favorites by them, your quite welcome

I just saw NWA's Straight Outta Compton vid' on Youtube, man Ice Cube was a tight MC

Written by [user id=14220] on 21.10.2006 at 18:22

I just saw NWA's Straight Outta Compton vid' on Youtube, man Ice Cube was a tight MC

Yeah, that's the problem, Was, any of his new shit I've heard is weak, but if you wanna hear a good song by him, Listen to "It was a good day" on youtube.

Thx dude I'll listen to it right away. Man this rap videos bring back some memories when I was 13/15 years old