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Written by Zap on 16.03.2016 at 19:44
I get why people like Deafheaven, but I've never gotten why so many people like Deafheaven.
Probably one of those few metal bands that reach a proper mainstream audience because of marketing / luck / dress sense. To such an audience it probably sounds fresh and edgy, despite the fact better bands have been doing such things for maybe a decade beneath the popular veil.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2016 at 19:57
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Im crying about you and about Sannhet. Sannhet would probably be good in the early 90s, its been done so much before and much better. Horrible pick when you had better alternatives.
Quite a thing to say considering Deafheaven are the McDonald's of their respective genre and who have no discernibly unique qualities. Sannhet stand out far more in terms of originality and distinctiveness, albeit more so on their previous record.
The hate for the mainstream fucks up your mind.
Sannhet does mediocre post-rock. Deafheaven made this in to metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMjc4oz0mY
Even Myrkur would have been a better pick than Sannhet.
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Written by [user id=157444] on 16.03.2016 at 20:10
The hate for the mainstream fucks up your mind.
Sannhet does mediocre post-rock. Deafheaven made this in to metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMjc4oz0mY
As I said up there, bands for a decade or more have been combining black metal with post-rock and shoegaze. Alcest, Fen, Lantlos, etc. All did it before Deafheaven, all did it better. Deafheaven are riding the coattails of such bands but have a mainstream-friendly image so are easily consumed, but from a purely musical perspective are absolutely nothing special or unique. They are an aberration in terms of popularity, nothing more. I remember the post-rock / black metal wave back in 2007 and how fresh it was (though for me it started 2005 / 06 when I discovered Alcest's 'Le Secret' EP). It's funny that it finally found its way to the mainstream after all this time, after it stopped being interesting, and by the time Deafheaven made their appearance it was already becoming pedestrian. For me it's a pretty dead genre now, and has been for a while. Deafheaven's barren, saturated artistry exemplify this. You'll forgive me then if I find them massively yawn-inducing at this juncture.
I don't have any hate for the mainstream, I find quite a lot of interesting and pleasant stuff from mainstream bands. If tarring me in such a way helps you deal with what I'm saying though then go right ahead. It doesn't change the fact that I was listening to, and slowly getting bored of, what Deafheaven were doing before Deafheaven even existed.
You already have 95% of people who know of Deafheaven probably in agreement with you. What's with the need to insist every poll and award feature them? Are you not comfortable with your own tastes and need validating that much?
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Incidentally, why is there a "Melodic Black Metal / Metalgaze" and a "Metalgaze" category? I'm guessing that's a mistake.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2016 at 20:46
Incidentally, why is there a "Melodic Black Metal / Metalgaze" and a "Metalgaze" category? I'm guessing that's a mistake.
Yeah a mistake. It should be just "melodic black metal"
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2016 at 20:15 You already have 95% of people who know of Deafheaven probably in agreement with you. What's with the need to insist every poll and award feature them? Are you not comfortable with your own tastes and need validating that much?
The saddest part is whining for a poll that is clearly just about what the staff likes the most... Poor dude ain't content with having a massive poll with tons of more people. He needs us to like what he likes as well.
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Just listened to Marriages album and it's great, so thanks the staff for the discovering... The same with Echoes Of Yul (now listening to it).
In other hand, i think Deafheaven's "New Bermuda" is fucking good, no matter what the staff thinks or the commercial success they have... I think they're becoming a kind of love or hate band, don't know really why, maybe because they have a popy (or indie pop) vibe that seems to bother some people, but i don't think that's good or bad, it's just what it is, you may like it or you may not. Or maybe Deafheaven just were at the right place at the right moment... I don't mind.
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Incidentally, why is there a "Melodic Black Metal / Metalgaze" and a "Metalgaze" category? I'm guessing that's a mistake.
"Melodic Black Metal/Blackgaze" & "Metalgaze"? (or no gaze at all).
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Written by Lou Rambler on 17.03.2016 at 00:52 I think they're becoming a kind of love or hate band, don't know really why, maybe because they have a popy (or indie pop) vibe that seems to bother some people
Speaking from someone whio enjoys plenty of pop, rock and other bands that can be labeled as "indie".... I just fucking hate the singer. He tries so hard to be Ian Curtis, it's pathetic and a bit infurating.
I also highly dislike his live vocals. On studio they sound pretty ok to be honest, even good on the first 2 albums. But live? He sucks. Hard.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.03.2016 at 22:05
The saddest part is whining for a poll that is clearly just about what the staff likes the most... Poor dude ain't content with having a massive poll with tons of more people. He needs us to like what he likes as well.
Yeah this should just be a fun insight into the staff's tastes, nothing more really. I'm glad to see Echoes of Yul on here.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 17.03.2016 at 01:13 I'm glad to see Echoes of Yul on here.
Excelent album that one. Glad that I checked it out when it was still hot. Nice artwork too! I suppose you fancy it as well. Last time I checked you enjoyed that kind of "media" art with static and stuff, right?
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 17.03.2016 at 01:17
Excelent album that one. Glad that I checked it out when it was still hot. Nice artwork too! I suppose you fancy it as well. Last time I checked you enjoyed that kind of "media" art with static and stuff, right?
Haha, yep. I think that's what made me click on it first time around, even though I'd heard the name before. Weirdly reminds me of Black Sabbath's Paranoid cover too. I like the whole broken digital media transmission type thing.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 17.03.2016 at 01:13
Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.03.2016 at 22:05
The saddest part is whining for a poll that is clearly just about what the staff likes the most... Poor dude ain't content with having a massive poll with tons of more people. He needs us to like what he likes as well.
Yeah this should just be a fun insight into the staff's tastes, nothing more really. I'm glad to see Echoes of Yul on here.
I just think its fun that staff always says "The demo was better."
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Written by [user id=157444] on 18.03.2016 at 15:29
I just think its fun that staff always says "The demo was better."
Pretty sure staff almost never say that.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 18.03.2016 at 15:33
Written by [user id=157444] on 18.03.2016 at 15:29
I just think its fun that staff always says "The demo was better."
Pretty sure staff almost never say that.
Marcel might from time to time. he's just that kvlt.
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Well, loads of times the demos have better song material. But that is not surprsing, really, since bands have had years to write and fine tune those songs whereas they didn't have the time to do that on subsequent albums.
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And also often haven't been professionally butchered by overpaid studio producers and still have a nice organic touch to them.
True though that Marcel would be the first to say that about a demo
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Pallbearer comes to mind.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 18.03.2016 at 23:57
Pallbearer comes to mind.
Thats probaly one of the best examples :you just dont talk about Pallbearer on MS without saying that demo was better. Staff so kvlt
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Pallbearer comes to mind.
Thats probaly one of the best examples :you just dont talk about Pallbearer on MS without saying that demo was better. Staff so kvlt
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I am curious how Chaos Echoes is death metal. It's much more black metal at the core to me with some other psychedelic or whatever things. Great album though.
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Enshine best gothic metal? This must be a joke from the staff 😂
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Written by woodsmoke666 on 21.03.2016 at 21:24
Enshine best gothic metal? This must be a joke from the staff 😂
Even Jari had some doubts
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Indeed it's not gothic, but for better or worse I can't really say which of the other categories it should have been placed under!
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Shame on the guy himself for not seeing it is gothic
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Written by woodsmoke666 on 21.03.2016 at 21:24
Enshine best gothic metal? This must be a joke from the staff 😂
It is not good I agree with that, but it is toally gothic
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2016 at 20:15
As I said up there, bands for a decade or more have been combining black metal with post-rock and shoegaze. Alcest, Fen, Lantlos, etc. All did it before Deafheaven, all did it better.
I had to search a bit for this thread, hope you dont mind. Ive dug in to Alcest now and to me it sounds purely post-rock. Andi ts absolute shit to me. The biggest difference between them and Deafheaven is that the latter plays metal (blues) with shoegaze - instead of only building shades, and textures the latter still plays riffs and melodies. Thats the big difference. So for a old geezer the latter reminds me of some metal band that I cant place, while the former isnt metal at all.
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Written by [user id=157444] on 04.10.2016 at 19:14
I had to search a bit for this thread, hope you dont mind. Ive dug in to Alcest now and to me it sounds purely post-rock. Andi ts absolute shit to me. The biggest difference between them and Deafheaven is that the latter plays metal (blues) with shoegaze - instead of only building shades, and textures the latter still plays riffs and melodies. Thats the big difference. So for a old geezer the latter reminds me of some metal band that I cant place, while the former isnt metal at all.
I don't hear any shoegaze in that Deafheaven track, or at least barely any. Just mediocre, modern atmos-black.
Not gonna bother with that Alcest track seeing as I'm not interested in them any more, but sounds to me like you didn't listen to the Le Secret EP; probably the quintessential blackgaze record and one of the earliest solid examples of the sound.
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I had to search a bit for this thread, hope you dont mind. Ive dug in to Alcest now and to me it sounds purely post-rock. Andi ts absolute shit to me. The biggest difference between them and Deafheaven is that the latter plays metal (blues) with shoegaze - instead of only building shades, and textures the latter still plays riffs and melodies. Thats the big difference. So for a old geezer the latter reminds me of some metal band that I cant place, while the former isnt metal at all.
I don't hear any shoegaze in that Deafheaven track, or at least barely any. Just mediocre, modern atmos-black.
Not gonna bother with that Alcest track seeing as I'm not interested in them any more, but sounds to me like you didn't listen to the Le Secret EP; probably the quintessential blackgaze record and one of the earliest solid examples of the sound.
I was going to ask for Le Secret but if he diodn't bother checking out that album and its impact "back in the day"... Then I can't say I'll bother with the rest of the discussion. xD
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 04.10.2016 at 19:55
I was going to ask for Le Secret but if he diodn't bother checking out that album and its impact "back in the day"... Then I can't say I'll bother with the rest of the discussion. xD
Yeah, I remember the air surrounding that release. I was part of a Livejournal group that shared music and everyone in it flipped out at the sound. I find it hard to believe anyone with even a vague pulse in what's going on these days would feel that way about Deafheaven but I guess to people newer to things it might sound worthy of praise.
Also Souvenirs d'un autre monde is quite blatantly shoegaze over post-rock too (and admittedly little to no black metal) so I'm wondering just how much of Alcest LoG actually bothered with afterall (kinda evident that he's sharing a song from an album that was literally just released).
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Written by [user id=4365] on 04.10.2016 at 20:19 Also Souvenirs d'un autre monde is quite blatantly shoegaze over post-rock too (and admittedly little to no black metal) so I'm wondering just how much of Alcest LoG actually bothered with afterall (kinda evident that he's sharing a song from an album that was literally just released).
Worth saying that after Le Secret, Ecailles de lune does feature a good balance of shoegaze, post-rock and black metal and I'd dare say that album influenced the largest wave of "blackgaze" copycats since the sound of Le Secret (the original from 2005) remains very much unique.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 04.10.2016 at 21:19
Worth saying that after Le Secret, Ecailles de lune does feature a good balance of shoegaze, post-rock and black metal and I'd dare say that album influenced the largest wave of "blackgaze" copycats since the sound of Le Secret (the original from 2005) remains very much unique.
Yeah their influence cannot be overstated.
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