Written by Syk on 26.01.2008 at 18:05

Sludge usually actually sounds dirty, and can have a hardcore influence in terms of intensity in the performance. See Neurosis, Cult Of Luna or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkTQIN_5Fk

Well, technically, whilst defining Sludge you should start off with the pure Sludge bands, not atmospheric sludge bands like CoL, Isis, Neurosis etc. IMO.
I'm talking about Eyehategod, Crowbar, Iron Monkey, CoC, Acid Bath etc. where the hardcore influence shows quite predominantly. But yes, what you posted is accepted in today's terminology of the word 'sludge' I suppose. It's just that these classic sludge acts shouldn't be forgotten.

Written by CrypticMyth on 30.01.2008 at 21:07

Written by Syk on 26.01.2008 at 18:05

Sludge usually actually sounds dirty, and can have a hardcore influence in terms of intensity in the performance. See Neurosis, Cult Of Luna or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkTQIN_5Fk

Well, technically, whilst defining Sludge you should start off with the pure Sludge bands, not atmospheric sludge bands like CoL, Isis, Neurosis etc. IMO.
I'm talking about Eyehategod, Crowbar, Iron Monkey, CoC, Acid Bath etc. where the hardcore influence shows quite predominantly. But yes, what you posted is accepted in today's terminology of the word 'sludge' I suppose. It's just that these classic sludge acts shouldn't be forgotten.

Herein is again a lot of stoner/sludge ambivalence, as Crowbar is clearly "just" sludge, whereas CoC and Acid Bath especially with later material tend towards a very stoner sound. One has to love semantics

Should've mentioned that I meant early CoC and Acid Bath...

Written by CrypticMyth on 30.01.2008 at 21:07
It's just that these classic sludge acts shouldn't be forgotten.

Thanks Cryptïc (& Bitter, I think? ), I wasn't too confident when giving my descriptions. CoC is perfect, I probably just forgot them cos I've heard only one of their songs, however great that one was. What I've heard from Crowbar is pretty nice too, especially "Dead Sun".

While we're on the topic can someone who owns the album please tell me, is the CoC song supposed to be "Stonebreaker", "Stone Breakers" or what?!

Written by Syk on 31.01.2008 at 00:19

Written by CrypticMyth on 30.01.2008 at 21:07
It's just that these classic sludge acts shouldn't be forgotten.

Thanks Cryptïc (& Bitter, I think? ), I wasn't too confident when giving my descriptions. CoC is perfect, I probably just forgot them cos I've heard only one of their songs, however great that one was. What I've heard from Crowbar is pretty nice too, especially "Dead Sun".

While we're on the topic can someone who owns the album please tell me, is the CoC song supposed to be "Stonebreaker", "Stone Breakers" or what?!

I believe it is Stonebreaker. I can look at the album case when I get home tonight to make sure though.

syk, yeah, I am a big Cathedral fan dating back to "Forest of Equilibrium" - nice to see them mentioned in the thread.

You have to realize though that even though both Sludge and Stoner have their roots in Doom and Blues, they went off in two very different directions, and were both heavily influenced by some completely different genre's of music. Stoner was born out of mostly "Desert" Rock and Psychedelic Rock where as Sludge took it's influence from Hardcore and Southern Rock (NOLA scene.) Obviously though, the two have strong connections.

I don't know where I'm going with this, just felt like saying it.

stoner metal is a metal genre and Queens Of The Stone Age doesn't belong in it. Kyuss invented it, often using the term "dessert rock" and later, other bands popped out of the scene sometimes combining it with other styles like doom or sludge. my favorite stoner artists are: Corrosion Of Conformity, Kyuss, Electric Wizard, High On Fire.

Written by [user id=28769] on 01.02.2008 at 18:33

stoner metal is a metal genre and Queens Of The Stone Age doesn't belong in it. Kyuss invented it, often using the term "dessert rock" and later, other bands popped out of the scene sometimes combining it with other styles like doom or sludge. my favorite stoner artists are: Corrosion Of Conformity, Kyuss, Electric Wizard, High On Fire.

and you forgot about Cathedral, werry good band too

I actually read Josh Homme didn't like the LA drug scene. Whether or not they actually went into the desert to play is up to debate, but I find it funny his music is/was labeled as Stoner.

I'd check out Slo Burn. John Garcia from Kyuss fame does vocals on their only main release, the EP 'Amusing the Amazing.' It's actually some really great rock.http://www.myspace.com/sloburnruled

I also just found this great band called, originally enough, The Ganja's. A great band from Chile, check them out. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=59802803

Written by Bad English on 24.01.2008 at 21:39

Blues are beggining of all metal remeber it and stoner still are heavy blues influenced, only black man can play real blues and white can play stoner
blues are roots of all

Perfectly put.

Geez, the southern part of the US must be a pretty miserable place to live to spawn so many depressing/angry sludge acts, huh?

Written by Sleep In Sorrow on 03.02.2008 at 11:22

Written by Bad English on 24.01.2008 at 21:39

Blues are beggining of all metal remeber it and stoner still are heavy blues influenced, only black man can play real blues and white can play stoner
blues are roots of all

Perfectly put.

Geez, the southern part of the US must be a pretty miserable place to live to spawn so many depressing/angry sludge acts, huh?

and best part old good jeans and jack daniels and simple thinks for those genres
Music are main think there, I wanna go there

does anybody know toner low? stoner/doom band ... you should check em out!
really slow and pyschodelic stuff!

Written by Bad English on 03.02.2008 at 15:26

Written by Sleep In Sorrow on 03.02.2008 at 11:22

Written by Bad English on 24.01.2008 at 21:39

Blues are beggining of all metal remeber it and stoner still are heavy blues influenced, only black man can play real blues and white can play stoner
blues are roots of all

Perfectly put.

Geez, the southern part of the US must be a pretty miserable place to live to spawn so many depressing/angry sludge acts, huh?

and best part old good jeans and jack daniels and simple thinks for those genres
Music are main think there, I wanna go there

Wow, what an ignorant statement. That's like saying only Norwegians can play Black Metal.

Call me a moron if you want, but, I find stoner sound very close to the real grunge

Written by selken on 04.02.2008 at 01:47

Call me a moron if you want, but, I find stoner sound very close to the real grunge

It might be because of the "I don't give a shit" nature of Grunge and Stoner. I know this is a long shot, but perhaps even the drug culture can be put into sound and production? Plus, it's obvious some bands will have an influence over almost any genre, like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, which influenced both Grunge and Stoner.

Written by Clintagräm on 04.02.2008 at 01:56

Written by selken on 04.02.2008 at 01:47

Call me a moron if you want, but, I find stoner sound very close to the real grunge

It might be because of the "I don't give a shit" nature of Grunge and Stoner. I know this is a long shot, but perhaps even the drug culture can be put into sound and production? Plus, it's obvious some bands will have an influence over almost any genre, like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, which influenced both Grunge and Stoner.

i can't agree more, perfectly put.

If you like Stoner,listen to these portuguese bands, they are very good!!

Men Eater and Dapunksportif.

Cheers

I hope you didnt forgot Cathedral (leither) and Electric Wizard those IMO are bigest name in gemnre, even more good bands are in underground but those are so awsome

Another band I'd recommend would be Acid King. Great music, and an interesting story behind the name.
http://www.myspace.com/acid_king

^^Oh yeah, quite an awesome band. Very surreal and trippy - I love Lori Crover's vocals!

Written by Damnated on 26.11.2007 at 19:09

anyone familiar with Ufomammut? Stoner metal from italy, but with a more focused psychedelic approach. Pretty amazing stuff.

Idolum and Snailking are really really good albums
i listen to them a lot
they are a great band!

I was just listening to Fu Manchu the other day...great stoner metal band...they released an album last year called We Must Obey...great piece of work and it's consistant to what they've been doing over the years...

So I just checked out this stoner metal band called Sheavy, and the vocals are an exact replica of Ozzy, especially on the album, The Machine That Won the War. I think I might buy it next time I go to the store.

Also, Valkyrie is pretty good. The vocals sound like a more annoying version of the dude from The Sword, but their redeeming quality are the instrumentals. Seriously, some of them sound similar to The Allman Brothers.

Written by Dangerboner on 14.07.2008 at 23:47

So I just checked out this stoner metal band called Sheavy, and the vocals are an exact replica of Ozzy, especially on the album, The Machine That Won the War. I think I might buy it next time I go to the store.

Also, Valkyrie is pretty good. The vocals sound like a more annoying version of the dude from The Sword, but their redeeming quality are the instrumentals. Seriously, some of them sound similar to The Allman Brothers.

I love Sheavy, somehow their music puts me in a very good mood... and yes, I wonder if the vocalist isn't actually Ozzy... and the songwriter someone from Pentagram... but anyway, a very enjoyable band.

Written by CrypticMyth on 30.01.2008 at 21:07

Written by Syk on 26.01.2008 at 18:05

Sludge usually actually sounds dirty, and can have a hardcore influence in terms of intensity in the performance. See Neurosis, Cult Of Luna or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkTQIN_5Fk

Well, technically, whilst defining Sludge you should start off with the pure Sludge bands, not atmospheric sludge bands like CoL, Isis, Neurosis etc. IMO.
I'm talking about Eyehategod, Crowbar, Iron Monkey, CoC, Acid Bath etc. where the hardcore influence shows quite predominantly. But yes, what you posted is accepted in today's terminology of the word 'sludge' I suppose. It's just that these classic sludge acts shouldn't be forgotten.

Fuck Yeah...if you like to hear some real Sludge then NOLA stuff is the shit gotta love it.

Written by Clintagräm on 04.02.2008 at 01:56
I know this is a long shot, but perhaps even the drug culture can be put into sound and production?

I don't think that's a long shot at all, the certain guitar tones, tempos, vocal effects etc. that tend to make up stoner music exist because of the effect they have on the stoned listener.

one of my favorites of the whole sludge metal genre has to be eyehategod most of there stuff is just crazy to me and all the feedback really gives off a crazy feel.

Occultus, just search stoner metal on wikipedia haha.

stoner metal is often times very confederate and great to drink to.

check out Down, Eyehategod, Alabama Thunderpussy.

Written by [user id=160] on 11.10.2008 at 03:14

Occultus, just search stoner metal on wikipedia haha.

stoner metal is often times very confederate and great to drink to.

check out Down, Eyehategod, Alabama Thunderpussy.

I don't think that Eyehategod is stoner at all.. I would say sludge.
I'm not an expert when it coms to stoner but Electric Wizard is one of my favorite bands at the moment. Reallt awesome feeling after hearing their songs, specially the ones from Dopethrone.