Ernis
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@K7, I don't have enough time to decode your message but as much as I studied at school, Cuba was suffering because of the dictatorship of Batista who had made Cuba a casino state....people were working for landowners in huge plantations(sugar and tobacco mostly)...at the same time rich guys along with rich americans were gambling with these plantations and other treasures in the casinos of Havanna....so...Fidel came and kicked Batista out and all the rich ones fleed to the US...their plantations were nationalised....I won't speak of the rocket crisis here but after Batista left, time on Cuba stopped....they're still having their 50ies style cars and beautiful buildings...they haven't built any new modern(nor ugly) glass houses there as much as I know....people there are generally lazy...as there aren't any landowners any more either, they just sit under trees, drink cuba libre and fat Simonas work in tobacco factories where they roll tro0 Cuban cigars 'gainst their sweaty fat legs....When USSR was still existant, Cuba recieved lots of resources and money from it...basically they're a banana rempublic themselves because the only things they produce are sugar and tobacco....
As much as I know bout Cuba now is that they're still living their life as in 50ies(retro ha) and they're a very cool tourist attraction only a trip to Cuba costs a large sum of money....those who have been there have said it was cool there....and Havanna is called the Paris of the Caribbean....I don't think they have a bad life there....a lot better than on Haiti I'm sure...or N-Korea....
So.....What else to say....bout USSR...sure they didn't have communism as it shoul've been back then.....I know that there was a chosen elite who lived in luxury and the rest of population had to deal with what they received and this wasn't much....this was very little compared to what the elite had....on the other hand, absolute poverty didn't exist...even if you were unemployed and your life was screwed you were granted a job and a place to live....there were no bums....in the US there have always been bums....and the bums appeared in the area of former USSR as well when it ceased to exist....so now I'd say that Russia and US are almost like twin sisters....all the bad aspects appear in both cases....period
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Cuba was a great place to live until the fall of the Soviet Union. Now they don't have the Soviet money and things are going pretty bad. About the Soviet Union, I recommend "Another Viem of Stalin" by Ludo Martens (I guess that this is the name in english, I'm not sure.). The Great Leader didn't lived in luxury as people say, that is just anticomunist cliche, but after his death revisionism won space in the Communist Party, breaking with a lot of suceeded politics form marxism-leninism. Revisionism led Soviet Union to it's end and to a complete social and economic failure. And look now, Gorbatchev doing commercials to Mac Donald's.. That man is a shame to Communism, just like Nikita Khruschev and the other revisionists, they were just a bunch of capitalists infiltrated in the great Party of Lenin!
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Thrash del Sur
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Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
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Written by Thrash del Sur on 06.12.2007 at 16:01
Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
I kmow Venezuela's problem quite well ... I come from Chile but my dad used to live there ... one month ago ... I'd like to give you a respnse in spanish but i've to respect other languages speakers....
The problem with Chavex it's just that he is not a communist or something .. he's just "chavist" (chavista, me entendies ?? ) ... he just believe in the things he decides .. and he's changing depending on his mood... meaybe hehas good intentions but he's not prepared to be president .. he's losing all venezuela's potential ... all his economical resources like oil ... wasting the money with the only intention to keep poor pepole on his band ... he doesn't look for a solution just to keep them happy ... he islosing the oportunity of progress giving everything like a present ... that's why some people it's so lazy... and there you got one reason of the increasing delinquency...
I'd liked to give more reasons but my english doesn't let me be more explicative .. I like the theme ... in general .. bye .. but in venezuela yo got a big problem
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EddieGunner
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huge problem with Cuba is USA embargo, sanctions, they cannot import new things that why they have old cars K7, not cause they really want them
what was good in comunism, and nowday in capitalism's worst thing is that poor getting poorer and rich getting richer, and it's bigger diference betwen two social parts of ppl, soon thr won't be middle class, it will be RICH and POOR thats why capitalsm sux, andit will suck for ages, if something drasticly don't change this thing
so e viva comunismo e liberta
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Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 01:21
huge problem with Cuba is USA embargo, sanctions, they cannot import new things that why they have old cars K7, not cause they really want them
what was good in comunism, and nowday in capitalism's worst thing is that poor getting poorer and rich getting richer, and it's bigger diference betwen two social parts of ppl, soon thr won't be middle class, it will be RICH and POOR thats why capitalsm sux, andit will suck for ages, if something drasticly don't change this thing
so e viva comunismo e liberta
Liberta per ultras
But in old Europe who dont know comunism, there are mo such poor and rich, even poor can survive, such shit are because comunists ocupay all east Europe and fuck those countries , nobody didnt ask them liberate them from nazies, USA/UK can do it whit out Russia
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Written by Bad English on 28.12.2007 at 11:22
But in old Europe who dont know comunism, there are mo such poor and rich, even poor can survive, such shit are because comunists ocupay all east Europe and fuck those countries , nobody didnt ask them liberate them from nazies, USA/UK can do it whit out Russia
thing is, east europe was already a commie sympathized region. not just because of the soviet union's influence, but because people lived in poverty, and thought that communism was the answer to their problems.
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if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
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Written by Damnated on 28.12.2007 at 14:17
Written by Bad English on 28.12.2007 at 11:22
But in old Europe who dont know comunism, there are mo such poor and rich, even poor can survive, such shit are because comunists ocupay all east Europe and fuck those countries , nobody didnt ask them liberate them from nazies, USA/UK can do it whit out Russia
thing is, east europe was already a commie sympathized region. not just because of the soviet union's influence, but because people lived in poverty, and thought that communism was the answer to their problems.
But in Franec and Italy communists are a lot of too, thay was before WWII and after it, are now, but thay live good, those 60 years totaly fucked all up, i that region life would be like in  Greece or something now
Dont say so Usta?e fans in Cro was a lot of and still are
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Written by Bad English on 28.12.2007 at 14:33
Written by Damnated on 28.12.2007 at 14:17
Written by Bad English on 28.12.2007 at 11:22
But in old Europe who dont know comunism, there are mo such poor and rich, even poor can survive, such shit are because comunists ocupay all east Europe and fuck those countries , nobody didnt ask them liberate them from nazies, USA/UK can do it whit out Russia
thing is, east europe was already a commie sympathized region. not just because of the soviet union's influence, but because people lived in poverty, and thought that communism was the answer to their problems.
But in Franec and Italy communists are a lot of too, thay was before WWII and after it, are now, but thay live good, those 60 years totaly fucked all up, i that region life would be like in Greece or something now
Dont say so Usta?e fans in Cro was a lot of and still are
there were commies in the east before the second ww too. the only difference is, that the western commies weren't that radical.
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EddieGunner
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@K7
no fuckin way, without russia in WW2 UK and USA would set free the europe im so fuckin sure in that one
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Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 15:08
@K7
no fuckin way, without russia in WW2 UK and USA would set free the europe im so fuckin sure in that one
Whit out Russia all Germany be free not shore about baltic but germany be free and whole central and eats Europe
Thank's to George Marchal and Trumen who save Hellas of fucking USSR invsion
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Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 15:08
@K7
no fuckin way, without russia in WW2 UK and USA would set free the europe im so fuckin sure in that one
You mean UK and USA would or wouldnt? I just want to make sure 'cause seems your idea and K7 is similar unless you meant vice versa.
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they could not made free europe without SSSR
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Written by EddieGunner on 29.12.2007 at 17:17
they could not made free europe without SSSR
Europe wasnt free man, USSR ocupy it same like Germany, so I never will thay thank's to USR for 'liberation' NEVER, only UK, USA, France, USSR I doubt REAL Russians like it shit, how many ppl Stalin and lenin kill ...
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Written by Bad English on 29.12.2007 at 17:36
Written by EddieGunner on 29.12.2007 at 17:17
they could not made free europe without SSSR
Europe wasnt free man, USSR ocupy it same like Germany, so I never will thay thank's to USR for 'liberation' NEVER, only UK, USA, France, USSR I doubt REAL Russians like it shit, how many ppl Stalin and lenin kill ...
Was this occupation perhaps due to the great leader Stalin himself happend to be not a communist but a nationalistic panslavist, who despised other western countriest and strived to unite the slavic eastern europe, which he practically did ( not counting Yugoslavia, which also was a sosialistic country ). Ofcourse the national purges he made after II WW where mostly due his bad paranoia, which has been the tormentor of dictators throughout time. Was all this eastern block and Warsaw pact thing really a counter-measure for NATO and USA, it's some how hard to believe. . . But still communism, socialism or the nations cannot be judged as evil just because of this occupation. Eventually it's all the fault of them, who hold the cards and push the bottoms And in large multi-national countries as USSR these kind of evil opportunists rise from different kind of national conflicts. For example Jeltsin
I don't know is my knowledge of these things correct at all, but I practically have thought of these things all my life more or less.
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I am more of a Trotskyist, in that I believe at least partial private enterprise is a must for any society to thrive and provide equality under law.
That said, communism has some very fatal contradictions.
The welfare state, even though I consider one of the most ideal forms of government, can never be achieved on anything but paper. If you follow the outline that Marx derived, the communism on a national level will progress past the dictatorship of the proletariat, the crux of the transition between capitalism and communism. This is when all State assests are being centralized and supposedly being distributed evenly to the workers. However, we all know that if left to their own devices, humans will never distribute anything evenly.
The next issue with communism comes from the assumption that every human being is equal, that we all deserve the same fruits of labor. This is simply absurd. Equality under law is a venerable thing, but assuming every human is equal in their abilities is foolish. The most talented, the most intelligent, the greatest orators - these people will always rise to the top and topple the welfare state under their greed, feeling they deserve more than their fellow workers.
My time grows short, but I will finish with something I feel is important:
The realization of a welfare state will never come. Capitalism is a parasite that has finally taken over its host, there is not stopping it, there is no containing it. The military is the strong arm of capitalism and it will crush any sort of insurrection by any means necessary. For proof, look at the way the world is consolidating in order to preserve the capitalist system. I mean, the nations of Europe join together in federation!
Welcome to the Orwellian State, where its always sunny, always happy, and always fun. Because they're always watching.
To the poster who said Stalin AND Lenin killed people, this is incorrect.
Stalin killed many, directly. Lenin did not. During Red October and the years after, many were killed - but Lenin sent none of them to their death. Also, Stalinist Russia was a perversion of Lenin, he would have been ashamed to see how it turned out.
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Written by Ascalon on 27.12.2007 at 05:55
Written by Thrash del Sur on 06.12.2007 at 16:01
Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
I kmow Venezuela's problem quite well ... I come from Chile but my dad used to live there ... one month ago ... I'd like to give you a respnse in spanish but i've to respect other languages speakers....
The problem with Chavex it's just that he is not a communist or something .. he's just "chavist" (chavista, me entendies ?? ) ... he just believe in the things he decides .. and he's changing depending on his mood... meaybe hehas good intentions but he's not prepared to be president .. he's losing all venezuela's potential ... all his economical resources like oil ... wasting the money with the only intention to keep poor pepole on his band ... he doesn't look for a solution just to keep them happy ... he islosing the oportunity of progress giving everything like a present ... that's why some people it's so lazy... and there you got one reason of the increasing delinquency...
I'd liked to give more reasons but my english doesn't let me be more explicative .. I like the theme ... in general .. bye .. but in venezuela yo got a big problem
No man you're wrong!! I meant about the constitutional reform project which was voted "No" in the referendum. And no man chavez is not giving money the poor people in order to keep'em on his side as you say, this is the neo liberal vision you have implated in your brain in your tiny brain by the way, the goverment is spending money for the most needed people, in health:"barrio adentro" is social program which brings medical atention to the big neighborhoods which are like Favelas in brazil, in education for older people, in sport...and many other things and Yes whith hepl of cubans cause our professional didnt work for poor people 'cause they say this is demeaning and dangerous.
But how the fuck did you occured to write the people here is too lazy and thats why the delinquency!!! I'm so fuckin' tired of people like you tellin this bullshit about us: WE ARE WORKING PEOPLE AS THE MOST. the delinquency here in most ways is caused we live in a culture which celebrate the power and the money no matter how is achieved. This is a concrete jungle son and survive the stronger!!!.
Socialism or barbarian!!
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Written by Thrash del Sur on 03.01.2008 at 21:38
Written by Ascalon on 27.12.2007 at 05:55
Written by Thrash del Sur on 06.12.2007 at 16:01
Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
I kmow Venezuela's problem quite well ... I come from Chile but my dad used to live there ... one month ago ... I'd like to give you a respnse in spanish but i've to respect other languages speakers....
The problem with Chavex it's just that he is not a communist or something .. he's just "chavist" (chavista, me entendies ?? ) ... he just believe in the things he decides .. and he's changing depending on his mood... meaybe hehas good intentions but he's not prepared to be president .. he's losing all venezuela's potential ... all his economical resources like oil ... wasting the money with the only intention to keep poor pepole on his band ... he doesn't look for a solution just to keep them happy ... he islosing the oportunity of progress giving everything like a present ... that's why some people it's so lazy... and there you got one reason of the increasing delinquency...
I'd liked to give more reasons but my english doesn't let me be more explicative .. I like the theme ... in general .. bye .. but in venezuela yo got a big problem
No man you're wrong!! I meant about the constitutional reform project which was voted "No" in the referendum. And no man chavez is not giving money the poor people in order to keep'em on his side as you say, this is the neo liberal vision you have implated in your brain in your tiny brain by the way, the goverment is spending money for the most needed people, in health:"barrio adentro" is social program which brings medical atention to the big neighborhoods which are like Favelas in brazil, in education for older people, in sport...and many other things and Yes whith hepl of cubans cause our professional didnt work for poor people 'cause they say this is demeaning and dangerous.
But how the fuck did you occured to write the people here is too lazy and thats why the delinquency!!! I'm so fuckin' tired of people like you tellin this bullshit about us: WE ARE WORKING PEOPLE AS THE MOST. the delinquency here in most ways is caused we live in a culture which celebrate the power and the money no matter how is achieved. This is a concrete jungle son and survive the stronger!!!.
Socialism or barbarian!!
Let me tell you .. that my intentions were never to offend your country ... I've been there and it's such a beatiful country .. with so kind people by hte way ... but when I read tyour words I realized how far the figure of one man ... can create such an ilusion in some people mind ... I don't believe in neo liberalism.. and no one had implanted in my brain ... when you say spending money for needed pepole .. I believe you ... but spending it's not investing the money .. I know that some programs there in Venezuela really give a temporal solution in health, pulbic spaces, highways, education sports and even more ...
But the fact it's that if you look to the poverty level in Venezuela it isn't going down ... because ... give to the peopel what they need it's not the answer ... you got to create the oportunities in order to they achieved what they deserve ... and how you can do that when 1) you're destroying all the economy wasting money and creating conditions whre everyones prefer to close their stores, factories and farms because they don't know hten the state will take them away 2) when you're creating really bad reputation of your ocuntry in the rest of the world, 3) when deliquency and violence it's destroying a society .. I think yopu know htat in Venezuela you got more people dead by homicida than in Irak's war .... 4) When you lie to your people saying that's a revolution based in socialism and equality .. and it's just based on decisions of a megalomaniac leader ....
So I can tell you now .. that I really believe in socialism ... I do ... but when well prepared people it's on charges that directs a nation ... not when a big and nice country as Venezuela is wasted and losing all the potentail thath they got ... creating more poverty with the time ... and dividing the country .. I think that referendum it's just the beggining of a new concience in venezuela's society .. I hope so ...
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Without the USSR the alies could have never defeated Germany , USSR had over 20 milion civlian casualties , 8 milion millitary casualties , but they managed to destroy 1/4 of the entire Axis armies , while Germany's youth was getting killed in Russia , the fattest and oldest soldiers were stationed in western Europe, the allies just came in and bombed the shit of Germany , there were many acts of revenge from the Russian's (rape's , murder's , theft) but they didn't bomb the civilian's as the alies did(100 000 civilian's died in Dresden only). The most important thing is that I will take my hat down for every man who fought in WWII whetewer he was with the Alies or in the red army because without them we wouldn't have the oportunity to discuss this.
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The Russians didn't enter into bombing campaigns only, and I stress that 'only', because by the time the tables turned in the East, they had no capabilities to manufacture either bombs or airplane sufficient enough to drop the payload, and all the supply lines with the West were severed by the expansion of the Third Reich.
If the Russians had the capabilities to destroy every single solitary German man, woman, and child - make no mistake, Stalin would have. He saw what the German Empire was getting as just for the suffering they had brought to Russia.
Oh, and by the by, after the Reich had been defeated, the Red Army took it upon itself to kill nearly 2,000,000 Japanese in Manchuria.
The Allies cause wasn't noble, nor was it glorious in its victory. Blood was on EVERYONE'S hands.
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I never looked at it in this way , what you said also explains why the USSR didn't help the rebels in the Warsaw uprising. At the end every side fought for world supermacy , ideals were second.
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Attempts at communism have never worked because human beings are not fundamentally altruistic. Capitalism works because it is in harmony with human nature. We tend to perceive our own interests as being more important than the interests of others. That is a simple fact of life. The mindset of the entire human race would have to change before communism would have a hope of working. And that will not happen for a long, long time. Capitalism may be evil, but it is a necessary evil. Thankfully, many nations have democratic governments whose role it is to protect the well-being of those people who are not served well by capitalism. I believe this is the best that can be done at this point in history.
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Written by Ascalon on 03.01.2008 at 22:09
Written by Thrash del Sur on 03.01.2008 at 21:38
Written by Ascalon on 27.12.2007 at 05:55
Written by Thrash del Sur on 06.12.2007 at 16:01
Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
I kmow Venezuela's problem quite well ... I come from Chile but my dad used to live there ... one month ago ... I'd like to give you a respnse in spanish but i've to respect other languages speakers....
The problem with Chavex it's just that he is not a communist or something .. he's just "chavist" (chavista, me entendies ?? ) ... he just believe in the things he decides .. and he's changing depending on his mood... meaybe hehas good intentions but he's not prepared to be president .. he's losing all venezuela's potential ... all his economical resources like oil ... wasting the money with the only intention to keep poor pepole on his band ... he doesn't look for a solution just to keep them happy ... he islosing the oportunity of progress giving everything like a present ... that's why some people it's so lazy... and there you got one reason of the increasing delinquency...
I'd liked to give more reasons but my english doesn't let me be more explicative .. I like the theme ... in general .. bye .. but in venezuela yo got a big problem
No man you're wrong!! I meant about the constitutional reform project which was voted "No" in the referendum. And no man chavez is not giving money the poor people in order to keep'em on his side as you say, this is the neo liberal vision you have implated in your brain in your tiny brain by the way, the goverment is spending money for the most needed people, in health:"barrio adentro" is social program which brings medical atention to the big neighborhoods which are like Favelas in brazil, in education for older people, in sport...and many other things and Yes whith hepl of cubans cause our professional didnt work for poor people 'cause they say this is demeaning and dangerous.
But how the fuck did you occured to write the people here is too lazy and thats why the delinquency!!! I'm so fuckin' tired of people like you tellin this bullshit about us: WE ARE WORKING PEOPLE AS THE MOST. the delinquency here in most ways is caused we live in a culture which celebrate the power and the money no matter how is achieved. This is a concrete jungle son and survive the stronger!!!.
Socialism or barbarian!!
Let me tell you .. that my intentions were never to offend your country ... I've been there and it's such a beatiful country .. with so kind people by hte way ... but when I read tyour words I realized how far the figure of one man ... can create such an ilusion in some people mind ... I don't believe in neo liberalism.. and no one had implanted in my brain ... when you say spending money for needed pepole .. I believe you ... but spending it's not investing the money .. I know that some programs there in Venezuela really give a temporal solution in health, pulbic spaces, highways, education sports and even more ...
But the fact it's that if you look to the poverty level in Venezuela it isn't going down ... because ... give to the peopel what they need it's not the answer ... you got to create the oportunities in order to they achieved what they deserve ... and how you can do that when 1) you're destroying all the economy wasting money and creating conditions whre everyones prefer to close their stores, factories and farms because they don't know hten the state will take them away 2) when you're creating really bad reputation of your ocuntry in the rest of the world, 3) when deliquency and violence it's destroying a society .. I think yopu know htat in Venezuela you got more people dead by homicida than in Irak's war .... 4) When you lie to your people saying that's a revolution based in socialism and equality .. and it's just based on decisions of a megalomaniac leader ....
So I can tell you now .. that I really believe in socialism ... I do ... but when well prepared people it's on charges that directs a nation ... not when a big and nice country as Venezuela is wasted and losing all the potentail thath they got ... creating more poverty with the time ... and dividing the country .. I think that referendum it's just the beggining of a new concience in venezuela's society .. I hope so ...
I never would say Chavez administration is the best in the world...I know there's a loooot of corruption...I know we lack of accuracy to solve problems... but man you're wrong again!! when you wrote Chavez is destroying the economy and bla, bla...Man the economy Novel Prize 2007 said the Venezuela's economic growth is really admirable, search it !!...Man our PIB grew more this past 5 years than the 2 fuckin' past decades of neoliberal shit here...Man we paid our debt with IMF and the world bank, how many countries in the third world can say that??...Do you know what's about the companies leaving my country?? they were used to do anything here and the goverment stopped them, now if you wanna make money here you have to pay your taxes and observing the law...Man I don't wanna bore you more and by the way I don't work with the goverment I work in private compalny which has nothing to do with the state.
Bye man ! Good luck!!
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Hi!! I'm from venezuela!!
Recently in my county ocurred a referendum in order to aprove or not a constitutional reform, which it could leads us to a 21 century socialism, there was 2 options: Yes or No, well..The Negative option won with less of 2% of diference. I voted "yes" and I'm pissed off not for simple fact of losing, I'm pissed off cause the conditions how we lose, most of the people were confused about the reform context, the real meaning not so much people did know it in both sides I have to confess!!, the media attacked it telling the people a bunch of bullshit... like the goverment would take properties if you have more than one, example if you have 2 cars the goverment would take one car from you or a second house, or another bullshit like the goverment would take the children away in order to brainwashed them you will never see them anymore, there was an article in the propose about "Undefined presidential reelection" just like france or england with the prime minister...well, they telled to the people it could be no more presidential election and Chavez would be president forever like a constitutional dictator!! This was not in any place of the constitutional reform proposed by the Goverment!!
If we lose in fair condition's theres no problem but they won based on shit!!!
I kmow Venezuela's problem quite well ... I come from Chile but my dad used to live there ... one month ago ... I'd like to give you a respnse in spanish but i've to respect other languages speakers....
The problem with Chavex it's just that he is not a communist or something .. he's just "chavist" (chavista, me entendies ?? ) ... he just believe in the things he decides .. and he's changing depending on his mood... meaybe hehas good intentions but he's not prepared to be president .. he's losing all venezuela's potential ... all his economical resources like oil ... wasting the money with the only intention to keep poor pepole on his band ... he doesn't look for a solution just to keep them happy ... he islosing the oportunity of progress giving everything like a present ... that's why some people it's so lazy... and there you got one reason of the increasing delinquency...
I'd liked to give more reasons but my english doesn't let me be more explicative .. I like the theme ... in general .. bye .. but in venezuela yo got a big problem
No man you're wrong!! I meant about the constitutional reform project which was voted "No" in the referendum. And no man chavez is not giving money the poor people in order to keep'em on his side as you say, this is the neo liberal vision you have implated in your brain in your tiny brain by the way, the goverment is spending money for the most needed people, in health:"barrio adentro" is social program which brings medical atention to the big neighborhoods which are like Favelas in brazil, in education for older people, in sport...and many other things and Yes whith hepl of cubans cause our professional didnt work for poor people 'cause they say this is demeaning and dangerous.
But how the fuck did you occured to write the people here is too lazy and thats why the delinquency!!! I'm so fuckin' tired of people like you tellin this bullshit about us: WE ARE WORKING PEOPLE AS THE MOST. the delinquency here in most ways is caused we live in a culture which celebrate the power and the money no matter how is achieved. This is a concrete jungle son and survive the stronger!!!.
Socialism or barbarian!!
Let me tell you .. that my intentions were never to offend your country ... I've been there and it's such a beatiful country .. with so kind people by hte way ... but when I read tyour words I realized how far the figure of one man ... can create such an ilusion in some people mind ... I don't believe in neo liberalism.. and no one had implanted in my brain ... when you say spending money for needed pepole .. I believe you ... but spending it's not investing the money .. I know that some programs there in Venezuela really give a temporal solution in health, pulbic spaces, highways, education sports and even more ...
But the fact it's that if you look to the poverty level in Venezuela it isn't going down ... because ... give to the peopel what they need it's not the answer ... you got to create the oportunities in order to they achieved what they deserve ... and how you can do that when 1) you're destroying all the economy wasting money and creating conditions whre everyones prefer to close their stores, factories and farms because they don't know hten the state will take them away 2) when you're creating really bad reputation of your ocuntry in the rest of the world, 3) when deliquency and violence it's destroying a society .. I think yopu know htat in Venezuela you got more people dead by homicida than in Irak's war .... 4) When you lie to your people saying that's a revolution based in socialism and equality .. and it's just based on decisions of a megalomaniac leader ....
So I can tell you now .. that I really believe in socialism ... I do ... but when well prepared people it's on charges that directs a nation ... not when a big and nice country as Venezuela is wasted and losing all the potentail thath they got ... creating more poverty with the time ... and dividing the country .. I think that referendum it's just the beggining of a new concience in venezuela's society .. I hope so ...
I never would say Chavez administration is the best in the world...I know there's a loooot of corruption...I know we lack of accuracy to solve problems... but man you're wrong again!! when you wrote Chavez is destroying the economy and bla, bla...Man the economy Novel Prize 2007 said the Venezuela's economic growth is really admirable, search it !!...Man our PIB grew more this past 5 years than the 2 fuckin' past decades of neoliberal shit here...Man we paid our debt with IMF and the world bank, how many countries in the third world can say that??...Do you know what's about the companies leaving my country?? they were used to do anything here and the goverment stopped them, now if you wanna make money here you have to pay your taxes and observing the law...Man I don't wanna bore you more and by the way I don't work with the goverment I work in private compalny which has nothing to do with the state.
Bye man ! Good luck!!
Easy man, for me it isn't boring ... it's quite interesting and even disturbing hear another points of view ... I can tell you (closing the theme) that ... your point of view it's the easiest way of seeing things nothing else... and even if I'm wrong just time will tell it ... finally I can accept that Chavez administration has good points ... and had done good things ... and maybe your contry it's growing like no other in the 3º world ... I also live in 3º world country but I can tell you certainly that we doesn't have all the petrol and gas you have ... but more certainly in 30 or 40 years when the human race will have reached another kind of energetic resources and the oil had been gone ... the things will be quite different... it isn't a neo liberalism shit thinking in the future ... and the future of a whole nation ... and it's very preocupant when it's in hands of only one man ... nothing else ...
Good Luck for you too ... 
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Don't be deluded in thinking the Allies would have brought salvation to Europe without the USSR. They took the blunt of the act and played the biggest role in defeating Germany's armed forces while suffering a lot of casualties of their own. The US didn't get involved in Europe until much later in the war. The UK too could have taken action a lot earlier to prevent some of the events of WWII that occured.
Remember that the USSR had only reclaimed Eastern European countries, many of which were owned by the Russian Empire earlier, while others were simply required to recuperate all the massive losses that Russia had suffered throughout the past few decades. Between WWI, the Revolution and WWII Russia was seriously struggling. You might disagree with Stalin's actions and his morality, but he was a very successful and clever leader for Russia. Russia's economy prospered, or at least improved greatly under his leadership. Much was the same for Hitler... until he decided to wage war on the world.
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Written by [user id=28106] on 22.01.2008 at 13:17
You might disagree with Stalin's actions and his morality, but he was a very successful and clever leader for Russia.
Um. As far as I know, Russia started winning the war only after Stalin gave away power over the army to his commanders.
Russia's initial losses had more to do with Stalin ignoring his commanders and doing everything his own way. And by doing everything his own way, it should be understood sending his own troops to certain death, disallowing them to retreat & regroup, and later banishing or killing those of his generals and troops who had the nerve to surrender to the enemy.
Hitler knew of Stalin's shortcomings and he made a full use of them. He was charismatic, that's for sure. But clever? Please.
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Bout communism in France and Italy....in Italy communist divisions of country were much more prosperous than those which were under the influence of US and the Christian Democrats party which controlled masses....in communist parts of the land the culture life was much more free and the most successful culture figures of Italy supported communism....because it was the only way to save the Italian democracy....had there been no communists in Italy this country would've become just a toy of the DC party and mafia and a foot-bench of the US....period....
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Written by Ernis on 01.02.2008 at 20:41
Bout communism in France and Italy....in Italy communist divisions of country were much more prosperous than those which were under the influence of US and the Christian Democrats party which controlled masses....in communist parts of the land the culture life was much more free and the most successful culture figures of Italy supported communism....because it was the only way to save the Italian democracy....had there been no communists in Italy this country would've become just a toy of the DC party and mafia and a foot-bench of the US....period....
I'd like to read some facts about these prosperous countries and their freedoms under Communism.
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Written by Ernis on 01.02.2008 at 20:41
Bout communism in France and Italy....in Italy communist divisions of country were much more prosperous than those which were under the influence of US and the Christian Democrats party which controlled masses....in communist parts of the land the culture life was much more free and the most successful culture figures of Italy supported communism....because it was the only way to save the Italian democracy....had there been no communists in Italy this country would've become just a toy of the DC party and mafia and a foot-bench of the US....period....
I'd like to read some facts about these prosperous countries and their freedoms under Communism.
That's a fact....our teacher told it to us....and how do I believe that...because our teacher is an Italian and comes from Italy...so he knew what he was speaking about.....let's have Emiglia-Romagna for instance....
Emiglia-Romagna used to be one of the poorest divisions of Italy...it belonged more or less directly to the possession sphere of the Papal State in Rome...the taxes and the oppression from the Pope(who still had political power back then) caused this country to be kept on a very low level constantly...which led the people there to become especially keen on getting rid of this oppression and establishing themselves as a socialist entity....they did so...during the 20th century Emiglia-Romagna was one of the leading divisions of the country with communist orientation...the infrastructures, education system, industry and economy developed much faster and the people were much more aware of the actions of politics plus the culture and all these "modern freedoms" spread much faster there than in divisions of Italy which were controlled by the DC Party and politicians collaborating with mafia.....
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Written by Ernis on 01.02.2008 at 23:24
Written by Clintagräm on 01.02.2008 at 23:14
Written by Ernis on 01.02.2008 at 20:41
Bout communism in France and Italy....in Italy communist divisions of country were much more prosperous than those which were under the influence of US and the Christian Democrats party which controlled masses....in communist parts of the land the culture life was much more free and the most successful culture figures of Italy supported communism....because it was the only way to save the Italian democracy....had there been no communists in Italy this country would've become just a toy of the DC party and mafia and a foot-bench of the US....period....
I'd like to read some facts about these prosperous countries and their freedoms under Communism.
That's a fact....our teacher told it to us....and how do I believe that...because our teacher is an Italian and comes from Italy...so he knew what he was speaking about.....let's have Emiglia-Romagna for instance....
Emiglia-Romagna used to be one of the poorest divisions of Italy...it belonged more or less directly to the possession sphere of the Papal State in Rome...the taxes and the oppression from the Pope(who still had political power back then) caused this country to be kept on a very low level constantly...which led the people there to become especially keen on getting rid of this oppression and establishing themselves as a socialist entity....they did so...during the 20th century Emiglia-Romagna was one of the leading divisions of the country with communist orientation...the infrastructures, education system, industry and economy developed much faster and the people were much more aware of the actions of politics plus the culture and all these "modern freedoms" spread much faster there than in divisions of Italy which were controlled by the DC Party and politicians collaborating with mafia.....
First, just because someone told it to you doesn't make it so, but I'll give your teacher the benefit of the doubt. Second, oppression from the Pope isn't a synonym with Democracy or Capitalism (which aren't synonyms with each other, just like Communism and Socialism) which one is a type of government, and the other is a type of economy. Lastly, I wouldn't tie all misused forms of "democracy" and "capitalism" in that small area with Democracy and Capitalism throughout the world. Oh yeah, one more thing, is Emilia-Romagna still a Communist society?
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