Awesome album! A friend of mine was saying they sound like power in this album, but then he saw them live and he changed his mind in seconds!

Written by Vivi' on 22.01.2011 at 23:07

Awesome album! A friend of mine was saying they sound like power in this album, but then he saw them live and he changed his mind in seconds!

Power? I don't what your friend listened to but it surely is not "Hordes of Chaos". Hordes of Chaos is all thrash.

Written by VPeter on 23.01.2011 at 03:29

Written by Vivi' on 22.01.2011 at 23:07

Awesome album! A friend of mine was saying they sound like power in this album, but then he saw them live and he changed his mind in seconds!

Power? I don't what your friend listened to but it surely is not "Hordes of Chaos". Hordes of Chaos is all thrash.

Indeed. It is surely not the best Kreator album but it has squat to do with Powermetal.

There is slight elements from melodeath/gothenburg in their recent works, but certainly not power metal. lol

This is a decent album, though I feel it's just a touch weaker than their first 2 "thrash comeback" efforts. There is some good stuff on it though, and "Demon Prince" is just an awesome Kreator track. On of their best, Id hasten to add! xD

Written by Angelic Storm on 23.01.2011 at 04:52

There is slight elements from melodeath/gothenburg in their recent works, but certainly not power metal. lol

"Violent Revolution" and "Enemy of God" also had a little Gothenburg touch but nothing from traditional Heavy Metal or Powermetal. Even for someone like me who has heavy standards, this is pushing it too far.

I would understand this comment about "sounding like power" about biteless Thrash like Overkill (it sounds awfully close to Powermetal on many parts) but the music Kreator are still doing now? No way.

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 05:03
"Violent Revolution" and "Enemy of God" also had a little Gothenburg touch but nothing from traditional Heavy Metal or Powermetal. Even for someone like me who has heavy standards, this is pushing it too far.

I would understand this comment about "sounding like power" about biteless Thrash like Overkill (it sounds awfully close to Powermetal on many parts) but the music Kreator are still doing now? No way.

Yes, all of their "thrash comeback" albums have had that slight touch of Gothenburg. Though, even on "Coma Of Souls" there was a fair bit of melody on there. Of course, that was before Gothenburg, but it's certainly not a new thing for them to be putting melody in with the thrash. xD

All I'm going to say about the Overkill comment, is that I don't agree with it at all. lol

Written by Angelic Storm on 23.01.2011 at 05:56

All I'm going to say about the Overkill comment, is that I don't agree with it at all. lol

For me, Overkill sounds weak. When it comes to Thrash, I like only Thrash of the most extreme kind.

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 06:01
For me, Overkill sounds weak. When it comes to Thrash, I like only Thrash of the most extreme kind.

Well, I dont agree that they sound weak, but you obviously have very specific tastes when it comes to thrash. I like some of the more extreme thrash, but not when it's highly generic. (ala "Eternal Nightmare" by Vio-lence, which I find to be immensely overrated)

Written by Angelic Storm on 23.01.2011 at 06:05

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 06:01
For me, Overkill sounds weak. When it comes to Thrash, I like only Thrash of the most extreme kind.

Well, I dont agree that they sound weak, but you obviously have very specific tastes when it comes to thrash. I like some of the more extreme thrash, but not when it's highly generic. (ala "Eternal Nightmare" by Vio-lence, which I find to be immensely overrated)

Even if it's generic, I will always find extreme Thrash more appealing than weak sounding Thrash ala Overkill because I have no fondness for 'standard Thrash'.
Difference is I won't like it enough to drop money on albums.

As for Vio-lence and this album, it might be fast and raw but I find vocals weak and laughable (I would say they're just plain annoying and fucking suck - the kind of vocals that would completely spoil even the best Thrash album ever made).
That's my biggest problem with Thrash in general. How I utterly hate vocals most of the time. It seems as soon as vocals are of the clean kind, I hate them and think they don't fit in. That's also one of the reasons (there are others) I enjoy Teutonic Thrash but don't like Bay Area Thrash (and this is not because I'm mostly into Black Metal now, it was already like that in the 80s).

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 03:31

Written by VPeter on 23.01.2011 at 03:29

Written by Vivi' on 22.01.2011 at 23:07

Awesome album! A friend of mine was saying they sound like power in this album, but then he saw them live and he changed his mind in seconds!

Power? I don't what your friend listened to but it surely is not "Hordes of Chaos". Hordes of Chaos is all thrash.

Indeed. It is surely not the best Kreator album but it has squat to do with Powermetal.

Yes, I hated him for that comment.

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 07:11
Even if it's generic, I will always find extreme Thrash more appealing than weak sounding Thrash ala Overkill because I have no fondness for 'standard Thrash'.
Difference is I won't like it enough to drop money on albums.

As for Vio-lence and this album, it might be fast and raw but I find vocals weak and laughable (I would say they're just plain annoying and fucking suck - the kind of vocals that would completely spoil even the best Thrash album ever made).
That's my biggest problem with Thrash in general. How I utterly hate vocals most of the time. It seems as soon as vocals are of the clean kind, I hate them and think they don't fit in. That's also one of the reasons (there are others) I enjoy Teutonic Thrash but don't like Bay Area Thrash (and this is not because I'm mostly into Black Metal now, it was already like that in the 80s).

Well, I dont find Overkill weak sounding. Or much of "standard thrash" really. I actually find a lot of "extreme thrash" weak, because so many of those bands play in a very similar way, and a lot of those band's individual songs are very similar sounding which makes it boring for me to listen to. Anyways, thrash is classed as an extreme genre, so I just class thrash as thrash. Some bands I like, and some I don't. I dont really put more emphasis on it other than that.

Ive never seen the big deal about "Eternal Nightmare". lol All the songs and riffs sound way too similar to one another, and the vocals are awful. Like a very weak and watered down version of John Connelly's vocals. I dont have a problem with clean vocals, so that on it's own certainly couldn't put me off a band's music. Which is why I can enjoy albums like "The Legacy" and "Pleasure To Kill" equally. We all have our own tastes though, and preferences. Certain guy's vocals I can dislike, but that's not because of their style, it's just that I don't like the individual voice. The only vocals as a whole that I cant stand in metal, are female vocals. Unless they happen to be of a very harsh death style variety.

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 07:11

That's my biggest problem with Thrash in general. How I utterly hate vocals most of the time. It seems as soon as vocals are of the clean kind, I hate them and think they don't fit in. That's also one of the reasons (there are others) I enjoy Teutonic Thrash but don't like Bay Area Thrash (and this is not because I'm mostly into Black Metal now, it was already like that in the 80s).

i agree with you here mate. thrash is about angriness and violence (in the musical part - i am not talking about the lyrics). even metallica and the other bay area bands at their beginning were far More aggressive than they went on the next years. and when it comes to thrash i believe that teutonic is by far more enjoyable. of course you need to listen to a good teutonic thrash metal band in order to enjoy it. i am not saying that all are great...

Written by Deadmeat on 23.01.2011 at 19:13

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 07:11

That's my biggest problem with Thrash in general. How I utterly hate vocals most of the time. It seems as soon as vocals are of the clean kind, I hate them and think they don't fit in. That's also one of the reasons (there are others) I enjoy Teutonic Thrash but don't like Bay Area Thrash (and this is not because I'm mostly into Black Metal now, it was already like that in the 80s).

i agree with you here mate. thrash is about angriness and violence (in the musical part - i am not talking about the lyrics). even metallica and the other bay area bands at their beginning were far More aggressive than they went on the next years. and when it comes to thrash i believe that teutonic is by far more enjoyable. of course you need to listen to a good teutonic thrash metal band in order to enjoy it. i am not saying that all are great...

It seems our tastes in Thrash are similar. My tastes in Thrash are very limited (my tastes in Black Metal are much more varied) but what I do enjoy, I really enjoy. And it's all that matters to me.

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 19:19

what I do enjoy, I really enjoy. And it's all that matters to me.

you said it all!!!!

My first Kreator album! I enjoyed it from the first listen!

Written by Deadmeat on 23.01.2011 at 19:20

Written by RavenKing on 23.01.2011 at 19:19

what I do enjoy, I really enjoy. And it's all that matters to me.

you said it all!!!!

Specially mocking the things you dislike (the opposite to love is NOT hate, is just indifference, don't you think?)

Loved the riffage. It's definitely more mature than their earlier works. Someone mentioned "power metal" and honestly some of the chord progressions and melodies really aren't that far removed from power metal. At times they own it and others, the melodies particularly the choruses were a bit corny for me. Overall I had a good time with.