J.R.R. Tolkien
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Posted by Sekhmet, 02.08.2006 - 14:22
There's so much to discuss about him...
First, his books of course!! Considered as the father of the fantasy genre, he created a whole new mythic world, a connected body of tales, fictional histories, invented languages, and other literary essays about an imagined world called Arda, and Middle-earth, identified as an 'alternative' remote past of our own world. His work includes the famous Lord of the Rings trilogy, bit also the Silmarillion, the Hobbit, the Book of Lost Tales,... (for a detailed bibliography ask Wiki
). Let's discuss his writings 
Then the adaptation by Peter Jackson. I personnaly loved the movies due to actors and special effects, but I think the story was messed up to adjust to every kind of public and I disliked it. In particular the big part played by Arwen and her romance with Aragorn was seriously getting on my nerves...
There are also serious discussions about Tolkien... Like this argument I had with a friend about Tolkien being a racist or not. I was bringing up that point: An undercurrent of the Lord of the Rings seemed to focus on racial purity. The elves were supposed to have the purest blood, followed by the Numenorians, followed by common men, and then down to Orcs. Remember the scandal when Aragorn married Arwen? She was seen as tainting her bloodlines by marrying a "mere" man. Remember the scandal when Faramir married Eowyn? He was said to be diluting the precious Numenorian blood lines. There were also frequent mentions to the "thinning" of the Numenorian blood lines.
Does this obsession with "my race is purer than yours" show that Tolkien was a racist who believed in racial superiority?
Well, the question was worth asking IMO (obviously since I asked it
), but I think he wasn't... Because despite the differences between "races", the relationships between Arwen and Aragorn (love between an elf and a man), or Legolas and Gimli (friendship between an elf and a dwarf, races so different), or Gandalf and the hobbits proves that he doesn't believe in racial purity. Feel free to discuss it too
| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912  |
Written by Clintagräm on 10.02.2008 at 21:06 Tolkien is gone and no writer will rise like him.I cant accept a book,(which is not written by Tolkein). but I always waiting for a role-playing game about this stories. but there is no games yet 
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10084  |
Written by Varegan on 10.02.2008 at 22:00 yeah damn i'd like to be able to play a noldor soldier in the Beleriand Wars, or in the first War of the Ring... in the silmarillion there's just so many stuff to expand upon it's amazing
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| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912 |
is there any source for learning Sindarian grammar
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662  |
2 C.J.W.Wyatt : i dont agree man, Christopher Tolkien now knows the work of his father maybe better than JRRT himself...and his writing skills he already showed by compiling Silmarilion, Unfinished Tales (or how is named in original, i only translate our czech version name) and The Children Of Hurin...i will be really glad to read more by him...but it is true he is 83 already and who knows if he will ever write something more...
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| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912 |
Written by Ellrohir on 11.02.2008 at 00:48 Christopher Tolkien just edited his father's book, you never cant compare his father's imagination with him.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 |
but he had "compiled" it into readable version (especially in The Children Of Hurin)...and that is exactly what i will enjoy, if he do Beren and Luthien or The Fall of Gondolin in that way - just "put together" what was already written, but put it well together
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| Clintagräm Shrinebuilder Posts: 5772  |
Written by Ellrohir on 11.02.2008 at 03:08 Yes, but putting something together does not equate him with his father. It's your opinion, but to say he knows his father's work more than his father even did, seems just like an ignorant statement. Whatever though man, I guess if you'd want to sacrifice quality for quantity. Regardless, I wouldn't want a bunch of spin offs done by people, even if it is his son. Like I said, some thing are best left up to our imaginations.
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| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912 |
Written by Ellrohir on 11.02.2008 at 03:08 I let compare J.R.R Tolkien with C.S. Lewis but if you are goin to comparing him with his son!!! its is like a insult to both.I'm sure Christopher have added some parts to "Children Of Hurin" to make it more depressive 
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 |
well i dont think this have to be true...the story of Túrin Turambar is depressive from the begining to the end and i think it was the idea to make it so by JRRT himself
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| +{Jonas}+ I R Serious Cat Posts: 4955  |
Well, as far as I read in teh notes on my edition, Christopher only made minimum editions. But it all was J.R.R.
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| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912 |
Written by +{Jonas}+ on 26.02.2008 at 18:33 I agree
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| +{Jonas}+ I R Serious Cat Posts: 4955 |
 Sorry I just had to, since I'm reading LOTR for teh fifth time
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| Hamird Lieutenant Posts: 2564  |
Written by Varegan on 10.02.2008 at 22:58 if you've found such a thing, introduce it to me, I like to learn this too.
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| Varegan Hamranakara Posts: 912 |
Written by Hamird on 28.06.2008 at 20:43 I posted that 5 months ago!!!, currently I'm walking Sindarian dictionary  Ill inform you later
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| Hamird Lieutenant Posts: 2564 |
Written by Varegan on 28.06.2008 at 21:39 It's so great! I'm ready to be informed!
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| tulkas el parcero Posts: 4742  |
I know this may interest probably all of you, and maybe some have already watched it. anyway, here it is, Tolkien reading a chapter from The Hobbit, and on the related videos there's lot of other stuff that he reads. really interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VOdv2RE4jg
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| tulkas el parcero Posts: 4742 |
To any Tolkien geek out there, this site has some of the best editions of Tolkien's books for sale (and most are not cheap) featuring strange and rare stuff. if you have money to spend, this is for you, and if you just like to see what you may never be able to purchase (like me), then this is for you also: http://www.tolkienlibrary.com
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by tulkas on 17.05.2009 at 10:01 Wow I bought http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/dmiller/000632.htm in 1990 in england in a bookstore for just 4 pounds.... And mine is in totally perfect state. I neve rread it and only flipped througgh it once.
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| tulkas el parcero Posts: 4742 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.05.2009 at 02:51 Hey, that one is pretty cool! and you got yourself for 4 pounds something that is now worth $215.00. congrats, man! that edition looks pretty nice. i've only read Leaf by Niggle, read it this semester on the Tolkien course i took, and i liked it. i want to read The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. if someday i have enough money, i'll surely buy something from that site!
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| Brogkul Posts: 20  |
Tolkien is one of my favorite writters, I´ve read The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, and The Lord of the Rings. I love all three of them, but the one that stands out for me is The Silmarillion. The first time was complicated, making notes of the names and famlily trees slowed down the reading. The second read was majestic, ´till today it remains one of my top 5 books of all time. I think it´s genius the way the world is created in The Silmarillion. I don´t think that there are many cultures that believe the world was made through Music, and the way Melkor disrupts the harmony... it´s superb.
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| Clintagräm Shrinebuilder Posts: 5772 |
I was wondering if anyone has ever read any non Middle-Earth stuff? I've heard of Leaf by Niggle and Farmer Giles of Ham among others, and was wondering if anyone had read them? I would like to and my school library has them so I may pick them up. And if not these, what about any of the History of Middle-Earth books or The Adventures of Tom Bombadil (though not all poems are about Tom)?
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| tulkas el parcero Posts: 4742 |
Written by Clintagräm on 20.01.2010 at 06:01 I read Leaf by Niggle when I took the Tolkien course in my university and it was great; I think you'll be surprised with the story. We mostly read literary theory and it was also really good, you really see Tolkien's extent in knowledge, as well through some of his letters. I could look up some of the titles, I just have to find where I have all that
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| Lucas Mr. Noise Elite Posts: 13427  |
Written by Clintagräm on 20.01.2010 at 06:01 I believe I once read a small book by him which was basically a compilation of short 30-page-ish stories. I remember enjoying it, but don't remember any of the actual content.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 |
Unfortunately i havent any chance yet, to read something different than various Middle-Earth tales...
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| ylside Staff Posts: 4727  |
Written by Clintagräm on 20.01.2010 at 06:01 Only for the die hard fans, I didn't find it very enjoyable. You can always check that new "Children of Hurin" book that came out recently.
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| Hylia Posts: 1435  |
So far, i've read The Hobbit, The fellowship and i'm halfway through the two towers. When i'm done I'm probably gonna start readind the adventures of Tom Bombadil.:)
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15250  |
Written by ylside on 21.01.2010 at 20:25 i could never bring myself to read that. tom bombadil was a proto-hippie. anyone read Bored of the Rings? - read it as a kid (well, about 15) and it was hilarious, even though half the various bits referenced were outdated before i picked the book up in the mid-80's.
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| Alphafemale Posts: 80  |
Just love his stuff Call me a baby, I like 'The Hobbit' , 'The Children of Hurin' is good but too sad.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 |
Why you should be "baby"? just because Tolkien originally created Hobbit as a fairy tale for his children?
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| Alphafemale Posts: 80 |
I know... maybe
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