Rammstein - Bustle In Belarus, Cont'd
Original news, posted on 24.02.2010
Rammstein are in trouble... again. Authorities in Belarus have declared Germany's Rammstein a threat to the state. They questioned an upcoming concert in Minsk, saying letting it go on would be a "costly mistake" for the country.
Rammstein's music could "destroy the Belarusian state system," said the country's Public Council on Morality on Monday. The Council described the band's songs as propaganda for "violence, masochism, homosexuality and other abnormalities" and said "permitting a Rammstein concert would be a costly mistake."
The German group, which is known for the sexual and violent nature of its lyrics, was scheduled to perform at Minsk Arena on March 7. Writer Mikalay Charhinets, head of the government's Public Council on Morality said he regretted that tickets had already been sold for the concert, but that if the event were to take place, the program would need to be revised in order to prevent "extremism."
Belarus is a former Soviet republic and has been ruled since 1994 by President Alexander Lukashenko, who has been referred to as Europe's "last dictator." The country's Public Council on Morality, a state-sponsored censorship agency, was founded in 2009 and has been accused of suppressing freedom of opinion.
The Rammstein concert organizers told the Interfax-West news agency on Monday that they had "no information that Rammstein will spread violent, perverse, cruel or Nazi ideology at their concert in Minsk."
UPDATE
In an ongoing quest of the Belarusian Public Council on Morality to make complete fools of themselves, the members of the Council now demand a preview of the show that Rammstein are scheduled to perform in Minsk on March 7. Here's the story as reported by Naviny.by - a Belarusian news site:
"The members of the Council believe that with its work, the band openly propagates homosexuality, masochism and other perversions, as well as cruelty, violence and abusive language," the Public Council on Morality said in a statement issued on Monday. "The group's concerts often feature live acts of intercourse, ejaculation and acts of imitating the Nazis."
"We looked through pictures and watched videos of Rammstein shows," Mikalay Charhinets, chairman of the Council who heads the government-backed Union of Writers of Belarus, said in an interview with BelaPAN. "They really show pornographic, violent and cruel scenes," he said.
The Council wants officials who have permitted the show to watch the preview "to either ban the concert or bear responsibility for the propagation of violence, cruelty and Nazi ideology," Mr. Charhinets said.
An organizer of the show told BelaPAN that no appeals for the preview had been submitted by the culture ministry or any organizations.
Founded in July 2009 at the suggestion of the Belarusian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Union of Writers of Belarus, the Public Council on Morality includes around 30 members -- representatives of the Orthodox, Catholic, Judaic and Muslim denominations, public associations and art unions, as well as art figures, educators and scholars. Its officially declared priority is to tackle problem issues in society.
Rammstein are in trouble... again. Authorities in Belarus have declared Germany's Rammstein a threat to the state. They questioned an upcoming concert in Minsk, saying letting it go on would be a "costly mistake" for the country.
Rammstein's music could "destroy the Belarusian state system," said the country's Public Council on Morality on Monday. The Council described the band's songs as propaganda for "violence, masochism, homosexuality and other abnormalities" and said "permitting a Rammstein concert would be a costly mistake."
The German group, which is known for the sexual and violent nature of its lyrics, was scheduled to perform at Minsk Arena on March 7. Writer Mikalay Charhinets, head of the government's Public Council on Morality said he regretted that tickets had already been sold for the concert, but that if the event were to take place, the program would need to be revised in order to prevent "extremism."
Belarus is a former Soviet republic and has been ruled since 1994 by President Alexander Lukashenko, who has been referred to as Europe's "last dictator." The country's Public Council on Morality, a state-sponsored censorship agency, was founded in 2009 and has been accused of suppressing freedom of opinion.
The Rammstein concert organizers told the Interfax-West news agency on Monday that they had "no information that Rammstein will spread violent, perverse, cruel or Nazi ideology at their concert in Minsk."
UPDATE
In an ongoing quest of the Belarusian Public Council on Morality to make complete fools of themselves, the members of the Council now demand a preview of the show that Rammstein are scheduled to perform in Minsk on March 7. Here's the story as reported by Naviny.by - a Belarusian news site:
"The members of the Council believe that with its work, the band openly propagates homosexuality, masochism and other perversions, as well as cruelty, violence and abusive language," the Public Council on Morality said in a statement issued on Monday. "The group's concerts often feature live acts of intercourse, ejaculation and acts of imitating the Nazis."
"We looked through pictures and watched videos of Rammstein shows," Mikalay Charhinets, chairman of the Council who heads the government-backed Union of Writers of Belarus, said in an interview with BelaPAN. "They really show pornographic, violent and cruel scenes," he said.
The Council wants officials who have permitted the show to watch the preview "to either ban the concert or bear responsibility for the propagation of violence, cruelty and Nazi ideology," Mr. Charhinets said.
An organizer of the show told BelaPAN that no appeals for the preview had been submitted by the culture ministry or any organizations.
Founded in July 2009 at the suggestion of the Belarusian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Union of Writers of Belarus, the Public Council on Morality includes around 30 members -- representatives of the Orthodox, Catholic, Judaic and Muslim denominations, public associations and art unions, as well as art figures, educators and scholars. Its officially declared priority is to tackle problem issues in society.
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| Zeh Posts: 47 From: Brazil  |
There is a rule of the world that says: Bad propaganda means Good propaganda. Either way, I always liked their songs.
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 60962 From: Sweden  |
Written by Zeh on 25.02.2010 at 14:34 Say it to band fans whow ant go to Belorussia to gig , they vare stucked in one country for eternity so its not like band banned in rotterdam I go to Amsterdam, or Germany
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| VPeter Posts: 1450 From: The Netherlands  |
Written by Ellrohir on 25.02.2010 at 13:37 Stop embarrassing yourself Ellrohir.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic  |
Tell me where am i wrong? we in the west are against NS ideas in any forms because we understand it as a threat for our current democratic society...government of Belorussian understands Rammstein as a threat for their society...where is the difference? is the difference we are "good" so we are right and Lukashenko is "evil" so he is wrong? hm...
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| parallax Posts: 336 From: USA  |
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| Inshushinak Posts: 58 From: Norway  |
"destroy the Belarusian state system," so fuck this state system that is going to be fucked up with one music show  
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| koldyr Posts: 15 From: Belarus  |
First: Guys. relax. Show is going to happen. It's just rumors about cancellation. I'm from Belarus, I know. In source link there is no word about cancellation btw. Second: i really like Rammstein and don't think they propagandize "violence, masochism, homosexuality and other abnormalities". Third: there are actually cases in history when rock-music/rock-shows was provoking state revolution. So if you really not familiar with music of Rammstein and just read wiki-page about them you can imagine what-ever. Fourth: It's nothing to do with "last dictator". It's actually not that level. it just about public organization consists from old people. They don't understand provocative character of Rammstein. Let's be reasonable and won't blame them. Better let's remember other banned bands in civilized America and Europe. Don't miss fact that many other shows with Napalm Death, Apocaliptica and Therion will go fine. Rammstein is just too provoking for local authorities not familiar with creativeness of band
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| koldyr Posts: 15 From: Belarus |
Written by Ellrohir on 25.02.2010 at 17:55 i like your way of thinking. intelligent.
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| floydiac Posts: 29 From: UK  |
This show is currently going ahead as planned. http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/307/17981/Rammstein.html
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| VPeter Posts: 1450 From: The Netherlands |
Written by Ellrohir on 25.02.2010 at 17:55 Why do you need to be tolled wrong again? many people here already explained it to you... But I'll do it again this time 1. It was "cancelled" because Rammstein's a "threat" to the government, not society... 2. Rammstein is not a political band, Temnozor is a POLITICAL FASCIST band. 3. your idea of "censorship will only make things worse" is wrong. Russia let's these groups roam free and the result: anyone with a darker skin color is a target and a example of what these disgusting neonazi vermin did is killing a 9 year old Tajikistani girl.
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| Doc G. Full Grown Hoser Posts: 9718 From: Canada  |
Once again, why the fuck is everyone shitting themselves over this? Did they expect any less when they released such an album?
---- "I got a lot of really good ideas, problem is, most of them suck." - George Carlin
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| Met@1lurg Posts: 103 From: Russia  |
I may say only that i do not like Rammstein now. Early i listened to them. But now - no... Belarus is our neighbor. And i don't want to say something against Belarus. Belarus can a right to choose what to listen to, because it is the sovereign state. If it was Cannibal Corpse... I think that such bands as CC are worse that Rammstein, because not only for music, then their fucking lyrics.
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| Met@1lurg Posts: 103 From: Russia |
P.S. the last Ram's Cover art is terrible. I don't like such arts. So, maybe Rammstein thought that they so original or interesting? They wanna tell something to us? ha-ha... very very bad.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic |
Hm...i only wonder how many people died in Russia because some fcking morons followed the NS ideas and how many diedl in USA because some other fcking morons played GTA or watched Hollywood films and then wanted to try it in real the crime itself must be punished...not what someone is saying be sure i dont feel anything for this vermin who killed 9 years old girl...but i do feel for youngster who said "National socialism now!" loudly in public and was threatened by 5 years in prison just for that (fortunately for him, the court finally said it wasn't illegal)
---- My rest seems now calm and deep Finally I got my dead man sleep
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| Sternberg Posts: 5 From: Romania |
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10084 From: Czech Republic  |
Written by Ellrohir on 26.02.2010 at 13:26 given your previous posts, i couldn't really see what you meant, but i see it now, and i kinda agree with it. after all, Stalin caused just as much havoc as Hitler, only "the winners write the history books" so i guess if Germany had won WW2 it would have been a sin to say "Stalin" aloud or something.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic |
Well, i also know what Petur and others mean - if some NS lyrics are like "raise white power! go now and clear your lands from dirt", then it is possible, that someone would "raise" and really go to do it...and since the lyrics support this ideas, the band is guilty... but what about checking this page? is someone banning rap music because of that? never heard about...are they joking? maybe, but arent so called NS bands joking as well then?...is it cheap propaganda? maybe, but isnt selecting crimes committed by NS supporters (out from all crimes that are happening) propaganda as well? Quote: answering Petur's case from Russia...i am really not excusing the Russian killer, he sucks too and should burn in hell, but as you can see, the coin has two sides... maybe it is just solitary case of one crazy black guy...but what is leading you to think, that the Russian case isnt as well?
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Posts: 40071 From: The Netherlands  |
Written by Ellrohir on 26.02.2010 at 13:26 Hundreds of people have died in Russia due to neo-nazi violence. Comparing computer games with an abject ideology is just way moronic, to put it nicely. The neo-nazi ideology propagates violence towards people of a different race whereas computer games and films don't propagate anything. And how many mentally instable people have killed or used violence because of computer games and films? Almost zero to none. And btw why this unfounded hatred from your part towards anything American and tyring to defend neo-nazis with that outdated adagium "freedom of speech"?
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996 
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:36 i really have nothing against "anything American"...i played all GTAs excluding the newest one and only because i dont have a gear to play it...and i like all of them very much...i also hate the propaganda against GTA...the same with "violent" US films...but i wanted to use it in comparison...some people are killing other people from various reasons...but according to me the only thing to punish is the criminal act, not someone who "caused it" by something
---- My rest seems now calm and deep Finally I got my dead man sleep
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| Baz Anderson Posts: 13237 From: UK  |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:36 Not that I wanted to become a part of this or anything... but your statements are just as unfounded.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Posts: 40071 From: The Netherlands |
Written by Baz Anderson on 26.02.2010 at 14:41 You're actually saying that almost no-one has been killed by neo-nazis in Russia where in fact hundreds of immigrant have been killed and beaten senseless? And that as many people have been killed or been beaten senseless due to computer games and films? PLease Barry, if that is the case I urge you to follow the news a bit more closely 
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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| Baz Anderson Posts: 13237 From: UK |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:54 Marcel, I think you need to follow my post a little more closely. I mentioned nothing about Nazis.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic |
Question: is there any number-of-kills-limit over which the "possible motivation for murder" is "serious and dangerous" and under which is "meaningless"? i mean - if NS bands are possible offenders of violence and are being banned for that, how about all possible offenders of violence will be banned?...because 100 kills or 1 kill...still it is evil
---- My rest seems now calm and deep Finally I got my dead man sleep
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Posts: 40071 From: The Netherlands |
Ellrohir... once again... it is about the ideology behind the killings. Neo-nazism propagates violence as a means to an end and they find it legitimate to use against immigrants to scare them away. The producer creating the films and computer games don't have the intention to instigate violence. That's why you can't compare the two.
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10084 From: Czech Republic |
Written by Ellrohir on 26.02.2010 at 15:07 screw this. i know you feel pretty much the same way, how about this: guns don't kill people, just like music/GTA/videgames/neonazism(in itself) doesn't kill people. as long as there is not an entire society of people out to perform illegal acts against a certain race/nationality/state/etc., it's the people who are fucked up in the head they should be after, not the message itself.
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| Sternberg Posts: 5 From: Romania |
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| Angelique Bitchy Moderator Posts: 3563 From: Finland  |
First of all, I think every country's politics have commented something extremely idiotic about things they don't quite understand so in that way this didn't surprise me at all, that's just what politics do because they want to give an impression that they are on top of every single thing that is happening in their country and as we have established here, the politics in Belarus are not exactly on the spot when it comes to modern western culture.. But the latest news stands that the ban is lifted so not a big harm done. Secondly, I wish world would be as black&white as some of you people imply but unfortunately it's not. Guns don't kill, bad people do, that's true but you can't compare guns as an object and neo-nazism an ideology.. If there would be a group of people who would rally for shooting people that you could compare to another ideology. With this naive logic that there is nothing bad with ideology, just with the people who act out also there wouldn't be anything bad in child pornography.. watching the pictures does hurt anyone  I'm sure, or at least hope, that most of you now think "omg, I would never ever support such a sick thing by watching any of that kind of material". If the ideology prompt to commit criminal acts against another human being the ideology is dangerous, if you support the ideology you are potentially dangerous no matter if you have actually commit the crime already or not or even ever will. Video game industry's agenda is not to prompt people to commit the violence in the real world but unfortunately that happens too sometimes although in those cases there are other more important factors than just playing GTA, such as mental issues.
---- I have more faith in my plumber than I do the eternal being. Plumbers do a good job. They keep the shit flowing. -C.Bukowski
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| Zeh Posts: 47 From: Brazil |
Written by Bad English on 25.02.2010 at 17:16 Don't take it so seriously. It sucks, but life is cruel. My point of view is more on a marketing bias. Fans won't get the show, people who don't know the band will be introduced indirectly. For those who are old enough, PC game Carmageddon was banned in Brazil. And one of the most commented games ever.
---- Zeh
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10084 From: Czech Republic |
The moral committee now wants to attend a Rammstein show in order to see if they should be banned. not quite giving them their freedom of speech but imo it is at least a step forward.
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Posts: 21306 From: Canada  |
"Fuck the Seriously, Rammstein are not an "issue in society", they are a group of artists expressing themselves. I don't even like their music anymore, but this form of administered punishment on behalf of a governmental organization just shows how narrow-minded some people are, or at least how fearful of anything "immoral". Speaking of being politically correct: homosexuality is considered a perversion and an abnormality? Would they view Halford as a threat to their government's infrastructure? Please enlighten me if Priest have ever been denied from performing on account of their lead singer being perverted and abnormal.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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