Vonpire
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03.09.2011 - 00:43Rating: 10
A review is supposed to be objective. When I read it isn't theres nothing else to say.
Call me whatever you want. I really dont give a fuck. I'm outta here.
Bye staff.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Vonpire on 03.09.2011 at 00:43
A review is supposed to be objective. When I read it isn't theres nothing else to say.
How can a review be subjective? PLease try and explain. Read BitterCOld's link on objectivity and reviews.
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Vonpire
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03.09.2011 - 00:49Rating: 10
Im not reading nothing. I am working and I am out of commenting here. Even me can grow tired of constant insulting. I'll stick with ratings. For reviews , hey, there is google! Rating this with a 6 even being personal opinion isn't even worth commenting more. Stick with serega now. Clearly hes the next victim.
Cya.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15250 |
As a note, once the pissing contest is done, i'm going to start nuking stupid comments.
if you feel the need to flame someone else because they don't derive the same level of enjoyment from an album you do, and if you talk negative comments directed at a BAND personally, might i suggest just avoiding the internet. there are BILLIONS of people on the planet, MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS on the net and the vast majority of people probably disagree with you on a number of issues.
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Opethian
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03.09.2011 - 01:00Rating: 5
IMO the band hasnt put out anything worth talking about ever since Arcane Rain Fell. Where Lovers Mourn is by far their finest moment and dont take it the wrong way, i love when a band evolves and starts to experiment and what not, but this album didnt add anything new to their discography.
I was very disappointed with this record. The 'Grunts' were beyond bland and boring. I would have to say that there is not a single track on here to save this album.
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Opethian
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03.09.2011 - 01:03Rating: 5
Facepalm" this album is on MetalStorms top 10 for 2011??
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M C Vice ex-polydactyl
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03.09.2011 - 02:45Rating: 7
Written by Vonpire on 02.09.2011 at 22:34
Just a last note and then I'll let all of you discussing the review as you wish.
Just look at the infamous ponderer review of enslaved's AEO and the comments it generated and specially the people involved on it.
Did it degenerate into an abusive diatribe like the Sitra Ahra review's comments did?
And you've said byebye about 5 or 6 times and yet you keep on coming back. If you don't like what other people are saying, just ignore them.
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Being and Time
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Fair review-- although I would not get into a whole history of the band. It felt a little bloated at the beginning, particularly for the reader who wants to read about what the album itself sounds like. But other than that, well done.
As for Vonpire, I cannot help but think of George Costanza in the episode of Seinfeld where he meets a ticket attendant at the movies, leaves the theatre, comes back and the guy asks for his ticket stub again even though he SAW George go in. And George freaks out. We keep repeatedly telling him that people's opinions are valid and to ignore the people who don't agree with him, but he just doesn't understand. I'm at the point now where I'm reacting like George: "WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS..."
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NocturnalStalker Metal Addict
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03.09.2011 - 07:35Rating: 7
It just happens that I completely agree with this review.
It's pretty sad as I didn't expect to be disappointed with Draconian album. I like all of their previous efforts but this time it just sounds uninspired to my ears. I hope Johan gets some fresh air and next time he will come up with some beautiful and memorable pieces.
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serega25
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I hope, here will be another review on this album!;D
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Darko
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I think this thins is a little mean review.
We the real fans we fell the quite same emotions and same vibration when we listen to this album as we felt on the older ones.
Also the lyrics are having a deeper sense that most of bands in the same genre don't have.
I don't think this is a 1o album but i think it deserves very well an 8.
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Slayer666
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I find the bitching on this thread easy to masturbate to.
That said, I would have scored the album a bit higher myself, but it's still nothing special. Solid goth metal and that's about it.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18274 |
Written by Slayer666 on 03.09.2011 at 11:12
Solid goth metal and that's about it.
I personally feel that Gothic Metal is one of those subgenres that really REALLY needs something new. The cow is fucking dry since many years ago.
That's why not even solid gothic metal makes the cut for me now.
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I totally agree with the review. They lost the melodramatic doom of Arcane Rain Fell and even the EP to a more gothic metal and forgetabble sounding.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Darko on 03.09.2011 at 10:48
We the real fans ...
So Rozz is not a real fan of Draconian? Why? Because he dared rate this album lower than the pevious ones which he loved?
Imo a real fan is a fan that is critical and dares to express himself when he thinks something is not as good as before and nto someone who praises every album a band releases.
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Roro
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Behdaad DEAD
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03.09.2011 - 14:38Rating: 8
Written by Merchant of Doom on 03.09.2011 at 00:32 I stopped expecting anything brilliant from Draconian about 10 years ago.
I guess 10 years ago, Draconian hadn't released any official albums. Whatever...
You think the demos are pure perfection? Wow...
(And maybe I'm the one that doesn't get you didn't mean the exact time by 10 years!)
And about the review:
As a fan of Draconian, I may be agree with most of the review, especially about the expectation of fans about this, but I didn't get the low score you rated it. 6? I think 7 was the lowest score I could give. (As I gave it an '8')
I cannot totally agree with you about this album representing nothing new. The lyrical theme was a completely different from the previous ones, also a lot heavier.
I must admit that this album was not the best I could imagine and the one I was expecting, but it wasn't a disappointment for me. I really enjoyed it and I'm happy about the time I spent listening to this album and it really paid off.
'Cause as Anders Jacobsson said himself, this is the hardest Draconian album to get into. And I'm totally agreed with him. I had a hard time getting into this. I bet you couldn't really get into it even with the time you spent.
And you said somewhere in the review that this album is a step backwards for Draconian, but I don't think so. If it wasn't a step forwards, they're standing where they were with more fans I guess!
@ Vonpire: I think it's better to be reasonable about others' opinions, instead of shouting around '"your review sucks. that's it. you are a jerk." thing. Right?
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Merchant of Doom
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Written by Behdaad on 03.09.2011 at 14:38
Written by Merchant of Doom on 03.09.2011 at 00:32 I stopped expecting anything brilliant from Draconian about 10 years ago.
I guess 10 years ago, Draconian hadn't released any official albums. Whatever...
You think the demos are pure perfection? Wow...
(And maybe I'm the one that doesn't get you didn't mean the exact time by 10 years!)
yes, you are right... I didn't mean exactly 10 years... I said 10 meaning "in ages"...
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Behdaad DEAD
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03.09.2011 - 23:29Rating: 8
Some words with Der/Rozz/???:
I have some critics about your written review.
Actually you didn't say much about the album.
The first three paragraphs are actually about Draconian's past and career.
And in the next two paragraphs that are actually about this album, you didn't say much about the music, lyrics, etc. I'm not saying that you didn't mention anything at all, but I think there was space for you to talk about the songs. Actually you didn't even mention any of the songs.
So I guess you could write a better review about this album.
I'll try to write a review on this (I wrote one before but I found it pure shit!) and post it, however I expressed my opinion about this as well.
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muska
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04.09.2011 - 12:42Rating: 9
This album really grew on me, whereas my starting score would have been no more than 7, after listening to it for over a month I would give it a solid 9 at the very least. BTW "composing mediocrity" is not the term I would use to describe this album, while they did not bring anything original to the scene I think they're slowly perfecting their maybe a little bit unique sound. Also giving 6 for song writing is way too low, cause some songs really left their mark on my mind. Again, only my opinion and first time I completely disagree with this reviewer. But do write more please
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advent
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04.09.2011 - 13:26Rating: 6
I agree with you on this review, and the score too, and as you said before, they offer nothing new here unless being more generic and simple,i won't explain more because you just point out everything i had in mind about this album , thanx
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DRACONIAN_
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Nice review, and as advent said they offer nothing new xD .
10x
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Marios P
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05.09.2011 - 00:06Rating: 8
Written by muska on 04.09.2011 at 12:42
This album really grew on me, whereas my starting score would have been no more than 7, after listening to it for over a month I would give it a solid 9 at the very least. BTW "composing mediocrity" is not the term I would use to describe this album, while they did not bring anything original to the scene I think they're slowly perfecting their maybe a little bit unique sound. Also giving 6 for song writing is way too low, cause some songs really left their mark on my mind. Again, only my opinion and first time I completely disagree with this reviewer. But do write more please
+1
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D.a.n
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Gotta say that the discussion is more interesting than the review itself... (No offence meant Rozz, the review is totally ok, albeit a bit too harsh in my opinion) But one has to love the staff vs. fanboys (a.k.a. Vonpire) shootout...
Anyway, my 2 cents to the album: It is definitely different from their previous efforts. Different in terms of lacking most of the melancholic mood that made Draconian's previous efforts really shine. The new album is definitely not bad but lacks the je ne sais quoi which makes me return to Arcane Rain, Lovers, Burning Halo and Turning Season again and again...
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Merchant of Doom
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Written by D.a.n on 05.09.2011 at 00:54
Anyway, my 2 cents to the album: It is definitely different from their previous efforts. Different in terms of lacking most of the melancholic mood that made Draconian's previous efforts really shine. The new album is definitely not bad but lacks the je ne sais quoi which makes me return to Arcane Rain, Lovers, Burning Halo and Turning Season again and again...
Different? Yes, I agree... it's the Eurovision Song Context version of Arcane...
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Behdaad DEAD
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05.09.2011 - 11:19Rating: 8
Written by Merchant of Doom on 05.09.2011 at 01:00
Written by D.a.n on 05.09.2011 at 00:54
Anyway, my 2 cents to the album: It is definitely different from their previous efforts. Different in terms of lacking most of the melancholic mood that made Draconian's previous efforts really shine. The new album is definitely not bad but lacks the je ne sais quoi which makes me return to Arcane Rain, Lovers, Burning Halo and Turning Season again and again...
Different? Yes, I agree... it's the Eurovision Song Context version of Arcane...
I guess you're a fan of Warning and 40 Watt Sun, aren't you? And you love Pat Walker's voice and you think he has the best voice ever, don't you?
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Merchant of Doom
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Written by Behdaad on 05.09.2011 at 11:19
I guess you're a fan of Warning and 40 Watt Sun, aren't you? And you love Pat Walker's voice and you think he has the best voice ever, don't you?
You are guessing wrongly... I hate whiny stuff...
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Behdaad DEAD
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05.09.2011 - 19:23Rating: 8
Written by Merchant of Doom on 05.09.2011 at 11:58
Written by Behdaad on 05.09.2011 at 11:19
I guess you're a fan of Warning and 40 Watt Sun, aren't you? And you love Pat Walker's voice and you think he has the best voice ever, don't you?
You are guessing wrongly... I hate whiny stuff...
Oh I see.
You are not a staff or something.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15250 |
I have to wonder why 40 watt warning keeps coming up in a thread about another band... i didn't realize it was one or the other...
but i could have sworn this was about draconian.
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Merchant of Doom
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Written by Behdaad on 05.09.2011 at 11:19
I guess you're a fan of Warning and 40 Watt Sun, aren't you? And you love Pat Walker's voice and you think he has the best voice ever, don't you?
You are guessing wrongly... I hate whiny stuff...
Oh I see.
You are not a staff or something.
nope, not here,... but I'm "staff" somewhere else...
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