Written by deadone on 02.06.2015 at 06:36

Written by Rasputin on 29.05.2015 at 23:25

USA corporations thrive on war economy, USA has not stopped being at war with someone somewhere, because that not only helps them economically, it also expands the influence. You look at the map and the USA has over 200 bases all around the world now, so in essence it is doing what Rome did. There is always a superpower that claims that they are spreading culture, freedom or some bullshit to justify their actions, USA or any other superpower are no different. USA created the Al Qaeda in the 70-ies and let them go, and the end result we all know. It is not any different with so called ISIS. They keep arming and training these fuckers to allegedly fight dictators or some bullshit, and then these Muslims turn against them and we have what we have. McCain still wants to arm them. It is no coincidence that majority of ISIS videos are filled with US equipment, brand new weapons and vehicles, of course they will thrive when someone is aiding them while allegedly fighting them. It is a dangerous game to play, but it is being played.

I too am amazed at recent US actions.

Their main international effort since 2001 has been the war on terror. So what do they do:

1. Support Al Qaeda and Islamists in Libya by helping topple Gaddafhi.
2. Support Islamists including ISIS and AQ associated factions in Syria to topple secular Assad.
3. Support Al Qaeda in Yemen by supporting Saudi efforts against anti-AQ Houthis.
4. Even after shit goes pear shaped in Syria/Iraq, they still want to support anti-Assad ops by funding training of "sympathetic" Syrian rebels in Saudi Arabia of all places.

They only figured out ISIS was bad once they started overruning US sponsored Iraq (I won't say puppet state coz Iraq swings towards Iran).

Wow, someone who gets what I am talking about without resorting to "you Hate America" bullshit. I'm very glad you see the same or similar things I do.

This is what I have been saying all along, I guess people disagree on the level of the USA involvement with the whole thing. Like I said before the ISIS/AL Qaeda are direct and indirect product of a terrible USA foreign policy that have virtually alienated everyone but Israel and Albania lol, the rest play the game. Every empire was the most aggressive before it's fall, and USA is heading that way. USA was at peace for only 17 years, so put that into perspective. 222 years were all war driven. I think the reason behind helping these lunatics down there is to perpetuate the state of war that they need, this is why I think the Balkans will be hit again, because USA cannot stop and have peace anymore in any capacity, since everything is tied to war now, considering that the Industry either creates prisons or bombs, take your pick.

I would not say they figure out that ISIS was bad then, they knew from before and they did not care, as long as these nutjobs would be a beneficial tool to overthrow dictators down there, plus let's not discount territorial pretensions from the surrounding states. There is a lot of double dealing going on there, but ultimately there is some form of an interest or else there would not be USA involvement there.

Don't mind him deadone, he is trying to provoke an argument. Took me a while to figure out if it was that his English was bad, or that there was something else, well, there is something else.

Fuck Turkey, they are the ones supporting the crazy jihadist shit, they let them pass through, and now we have them in Albania, making their way to Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece and most likely Bulgaria. The Bosnians are waving their flags and "bosnjak" group in Sandzak cannot wait for the return of the Ottoman Empire. I wish Putin did not deal with them.

Written by Bad English on 11.06.2015 at 14:57

Written by deadone on 11.06.2015 at 05:39

Written by Rasputin on 10.06.2015 at 20:28

Fuck Turkey, they are the ones supporting the crazy jihadist shit, they let them pass through, and now we have them in Albania, making their way to Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece and most likely Bulgaria. The Bosnians are waving their flags and "bosnjak" group in Sandzak cannot wait for the return of the Ottoman Empire. I wish Putin did not deal with them.

But they like soccer and some drink beer so they must be good and we must ignore their governments' continuous human rights violations etc etc cause they have a large army.

It's funny that BE hates Russia so much for invading chunks of Ukraine, but ignores Turkey's illegal conquest of eastern Cyprus in 1974 or Turkish ongoing threats against Cyprus (as well any non-Turkish oil exploration in the region). But then BE hates Greeks too....

Alpaslan Dickemn was better AltAsdlan leader as Dzoni, Kimi and Kiko was for Grobari and Alcatraz

I don't hate greeks, I think greens don't appreciate belonging to EU is only way , not belonging to orthodox world
Maybe Turkey did bad, but they have non plans occupy my origin country as fuckdars in Krelin wants

Your country is already invaded by Muslims and Feminists, I doubt the Russians are a thing to worry about, unless you fire the first shot.
And you are so pro-EU to the point of insanity, no one profited from the EU bullshit but Germany, England and France, the rest are there to be exploited, but you are too blind to see that because EU is that liberal heaven that will be torn asunder in next 10-20 years.

Written by deadone on 11.06.2015 at 05:39

Written by Rasputin on 10.06.2015 at 20:28

Fuck Turkey, they are the ones supporting the crazy jihadist shit, they let them pass through, and now we have them in Albania, making their way to Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece and most likely Bulgaria. The Bosnians are waving their flags and "bosnjak" group in Sandzak cannot wait for the return of the Ottoman Empire. I wish Putin did not deal with them.

But they like soccer and some drink beer so they must be good and we must ignore their governments' continuous human rights violations etc etc cause they have a large army.

It's funny that BE hates Russia so much for invading chunks of Ukraine, but ignores Turkey's illegal conquest of eastern Cyprus in 1974 or Turkish ongoing threats against Cyprus (as well any non-Turkish oil exploration in the region). But then BE hates Greeks too....

I know, the irony. They are Turks, they don't know any better. I mean it is all good to violate human rights and invade shit far away from your country, that is a legit reason. I think you and I know already to take comments from him with a grain of salt and leave it at that.

Deport me for what exactly?

Written by Bad English on 13.06.2015 at 01:36

Written by Rasputin on 13.06.2015 at 01:26

Deport me for what exactly?

to Serbia, Russia,

@dead - but then where are best life quality? Albania, Tajiksitan, Serbia, Russia, or Germany, Scandinavia?

I didn't say where, I asked for the reason of deportation or do you have a difficulty reading English as much as writing it?

Written by Bad English on 13.06.2015 at 12:44

Written by Rasputin on 13.06.2015 at 05:40

Written by Bad English on 13.06.2015 at 01:36

Written by Rasputin on 13.06.2015 at 01:26

Deport me for what exactly?

to Serbia, Russia,

@dead - but then where are best life quality? Albania, Tajiksitan, Serbia, Russia, or Germany, Scandinavia?

I didn't say where, I asked for the reason of deportation or do you have a difficulty reading English as much as writing it?

because you're not loyal and you might do some boming as in Oklokoma ....

Loyal to whom? I think you need to worry more about your friends, the Muslims, about booming something. Plus, McVeigh was a former US soldier, so talk about loyalty.

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Written by Bad English on 13.06.2015 at 16:04

Written by Rasputin on 13.06.2015 at 14:48

because you're not loyal and you might do some boming as in Oklokoma ....

Loyal to whom? I think you need to worry more about your friends, the Muslims, about booming something. Plus, McVeigh was a former US soldier, so talk about loyalty.

loyal to US and NATO and all they do and don't be pro Russian

Why the fuck should I be loyal to NATO? Fuck NATO, NATO bombed my country. I want NATO to be destroyed utterly. And as far as USA goes, I will be with the USA when they are in the right, when they are not, I will not, it is my right as a citizen.

Written by Bad English on 14.06.2015 at 04:17

Written by Rasputin on 14.06.2015 at 04:08

Written by Bad English on 13.06.2015 at 16:04


Why the fuck should I be loyal to NATO? Fuck NATO, NATO bombed my country. I want NATO to be destroyed utterly. And as far as USA goes, I will be with the USA when they are in the right, when they are not, I will not, it is my right as a citizen.

then again its double standards , your country is America, if no then move back where you came from .... why you live in US aif you hate it?

Who said I hated US? Again you cannot seem to separate dislike for foreign policy over the dislike for the country. Liking/loving a country and criticizing its moves are two separate things, and maybe some day you will learn that, maybe not. But honestly I don't give what people think, you or anyone else.

One of the founders of Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK, Asghar Bukhari, claims the Zionists stole his shoe on facebook post.

As opposed to the EU funded NGOs and pundit-media a group of multinational Generals and top-politicians "Israel not only met a reasonable international standard of observance of the laws of armed conflict, but in many cases significantly exceeded that standard."

Which is exactly part of the mistake. The other mistake is, contra NATO policies or Norway, is to judge soldier misconduct.

Written by Rasputin on 14.06.2015 at 04:22

honestly I don't give what people think, you or anyone else.

That may be part of the problem.

Written by Candlemass on 14.06.2015 at 10:31

One of the founders of Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK, Asghar Bukhari, claims the Zionists stole his shoe on facebook post.

As opposed to the EU funded NGOs and pundit-media a group of multinational Generals and top-politicians "Israel not only met a reasonable international standard of observance of the laws of armed conflict, but in many cases significantly exceeded that standard."

Which is exactly part of the mistake. The other mistake is, contra NATO policies or Norway, is to judge soldier misconduct.

Written by Rasputin on 14.06.2015 at 04:22

honestly I don't give what people think, you or anyone else.

That maybe part of the problem.

That is never a problem

Written by Bad English on 15.06.2015 at 13:00

You are telling me facts like I am an idiot and don't know
I am pissing of rasp whit nato, legal way how piss people off is nato and isreal support,

Rasp complains muslims come here and abuse system , but what does he same. His country is USA , not Serbia, if he likes Serbia why don't leave it
I know Balkan war was mistake, even separation could be friendly, mostly war is Serbian blame, but later bombings in Yugo was mistake, all sides done war crimes. But he shoud respect where he lives or move away

Nato idea was keep germans in order, usa in and soviets out

last time Europe saw war was WWII grandpas did saw it, Balkans was regional. if NATO wont exist soviets would take all Europe, and now VP would take all as well, each country separately would fall

I hope war never happens, but comparinmg mid east and N Africa yes NATO fucked up but only who did most fuck up was George, rest followed in Iraq. Lybia was France , Sarkozy is WP man, he made it on purpose to help VP crush NATO (new theory LOL)

Alone we would be dead and it defends our ideas all what western world stands for

You think you are pissing me off? LMAO.

Muslims do abuse the system, if you are blind and stupid not to see that, that is your problem. Serbia to blame for the war? Wow, typical EU ignoramus. I am glad that you fuckers up north are such experts on the subject, considering that several countries from your orgy called EU were responsible for funding and pushing for the conflict, but oh well, eat some more ludafisk and shut up before the Ruskis invade

Written by deadone on 16.06.2015 at 03:16

Written by Bad English on 16.06.2015 at 03:04

Well time proved Liberation is better Slo, Cro is in EU and are better life quality

As always you have it all wrong.

Living standards in Croatia are still poorer than they were during Yugoslavia. Country is now more corrupt than many African states. There are virtually no jobs (unemployment is over 18% and that doesn't count under-employed). Most industries have shut down and there is now lots of crime.

But you haven't got a clue and just spurt the "EU is awesome, drink the cool aid" line.

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and you never know, maybe if Serbia let them go even war be, media wont made it so negative

If you had a clue, you'd know the nationalists were attacking Serbs and purging Serbs before the war started. Serb nationalists were doing the same. (i.e. 1989, the war started in 1991).

I was there and remember bombs going off before the war started. I remember witnessing anti-Serb rioting and looting before the war started.

Franjo Tudman and his Croatian nationalists wanted the Serbs out just like the Serbian nationalists wanted a greater Serbia.

Thank you for speaking the truth, you get even more respect from me now, not that you give a shit, but still, you are the first person to openly say the truth. You are right, Serbian Nationalists wanted Greater Serbia, but I think they were aiming for the territory that was given up in exchange for the Kingdom of Serbs, Slovenes and Croats and of course Bosnia. And from what I remember, it was mainly the leaders, Slobodan Milosevic and his mafia that wanted that, the majority of people did not want war. Theoretically, there was already a Greater Serbia by formation of Yugoslavia, but that is another story. Franjo Tudjman and his cohorts were mafiosos as well and did not give a shit, didn't he sell parts of Croatia to Italy? It was a clusterfuck on all sides.

And yeah, I stopped taking Bad English seriously, there is not point in explaining stuff to him. I just love it when people who have not been there and saw it firsthand what actually happened continue to spew nonsense from the authority perspective like "this happened." Same thing as the Srebrenica thing, everyone goes up in arms how it was Genocide, no, it was a massacre, but no one asks what provoked it. No one mentions over 3000 Serbian civilians ethnically cleansed by Naser Oric and his men.

EU is great, if you live in Germany maybe, I have not seen any country to even include Slovenia doing so well either, yes they are in a better position then Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia but still, they are nowhere near where they should have been for joining the EU.

Written by deadone on 17.06.2015 at 02:17

Written by Rasputin on 16.06.2015 at 21:08


EU is great, if you live in Germany maybe, I have not seen any country to even include Slovenia doing so well either, yes they are in a better position then Croatia

Slovenia was in a better position overall before the wars anyhow. From what my parents say, they were always separate from the rest of the Yugoslavs and regarded as somewhat uppity.

And Franjo never sold a chunk of Croatia to Italy. He and his family were involved in many shady deals selling chunks of Croatian infrastructure to various cronies etc, including some of my family members who were HDZ members.

Being influenced by Austria, and being so close to the actual rich Europe it is not surprise there. Plus, they did not have so many political issues and wars like the rest of the Balkans.

Thanks for the info.

Written by deadone on 18.06.2015 at 06:12

Written by Rasputin on 18.06.2015 at 05:42

Being influenced by Austria, and being so close to the actual rich Europe it is not surprise there. Plus, they did not have so many political issues and wars like the rest of the Balkans.

The benefits of cultural hegemony.

The Balkans will never have that, it will be like Middle East, war war war, until everyone kills everyone or the end of the world comes in one form or another.

Written by deadone on 18.06.2015 at 09:49

Written by Rasputin on 18.06.2015 at 09:40


The Balkans will never have that, it will be like Middle East, war war war, until everyone kills everyone or the end of the world comes in one form or another.

I suspect they'll have peace for the time being. They're all too broke to wage war. If you teleported Hitler's 1941 vintage Wehrmacht into 2015, they'd be able to invade most of Eastern Europe without any major losses, such is the miserable state of these countries defences.


One of the great ironies of the military-industrial complex is that it's made weapons so expensive, most countries can't afford to buy them or maintain them. So they give up on the capability all together.

Tis why a few deranged numbnuts with AK-47s can cause such havoc.

I think it will happen, but not the way we expect it. You are right, the state is miserable, however, how much ammo and how many AK's do you need to start up shit. KLA is operating in full force, there are people all over that have weapons stashed just in case, and ultimately it will not be necessarily country versus country, but paramilitary versus paramilitary.

Written by deadone on 19.06.2015 at 02:55

Written by Rasputin on 19.06.2015 at 02:44

, how much ammo and how many AK's do you need to start up shit.

Not many really, especially if the target government is weak and lacking in willingess to fight. Look at Boko Haram in Nigeria. A country with hige oil reserves, 178 million people and one of the largest militaries in Africa and a few Islamist hundred nutters initially caused massive chaos and nearly caused the government to collapse.

Same happened in Iraq as well following US pull out - hey I've brought us back on topic.

Excellent. The Iraqi military and government are not keen on fighting CIA creations Al Qaeda and ISIS. One part is that the government is a puppet regime, and the other that they know that they might get it worse if USA chooses to leave and get engaged somewhere else. Plus, most borders down there are bullshit to begin with, so each country has a desire to control another territory. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan... take your pick. Middle East will be fucked for a long while, or at least until more dictators take power, since in comparison of couple of thousand they kill each year, is nothing compared to how many are dying now. So, lesser evil, maybe? I don't know.

Written by deadone on 19.06.2015 at 09:15

Written by Rasputin on 19.06.2015 at 08:11

Excellent. The Iraqi military and government are not keen on fighting CIA creations Al Qaeda and ISIS. One part is that the government is a puppet regime,

Yes an Iranian puppet regime. The US lost most of its influence even while their troops were there. Sectarian loyalty overrides even Yankee dollars.

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Plus, most borders down there are bullshit to begin with, so each country has a desire to control another territory. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan... take your pick. Middle East will be fucked for a long while, or at least until more dictators take power, since in comparison of couple of thousand they kill each year, is nothing compared to how many are dying now. So, lesser evil, maybe? I don't know.

Pretty much.

Iraq in itself is a figment of European colonial immagination. In reality it's Kurdistan, Shiastan and Sunnistan. No Shia really wants to die for Kurds or Sunnis or vice versa.

Indeed any Sunni towns that are "liberated" from ISIS by Kurds or Shias are being ethnically cleansed of their Sunni populations.

Several things amaze me about whole ISIS thing:

1. Other than Kurds, Iran and Syrian government, no-one gives a damn about really fighting ISIS. The US commitment to this war is pathetic as is just about everyone's elses be it the Iraqis, the Saudis, the Jordanians etc.

2. There is no talk about a post-war Iraq. It somehow assumes the status quo will be maintained despite no changes in Iraqi government attitudes to Sunni majorities and the Kurds/Shias ethnically cleansing any town or village they come to. I suspect if ISIS is defeated in Iraq, there won't be any Sunnis left either (and then I wonder what Saudi Arabia will do).

3. There's no real roadmap for how to progress with Syria either, save train some rebels of dubious loyalty.

Agreed, but I think the puppet regime stems from other directions as well, but yes Iran is a part of it, however, Iran is not as much of a threat as we think it is. The issue is purely political with them, meaning, there are only half truths and distorted stories that are being peddled in the mainstream media. Iranian government is nuts, but their people, their way of life an the country as a whole is a bizarre place. Bourdain just did a tour there in his "Parts Unknown" series, and it was fascinating to see how complex everything is there.

ISIS is a very useful tool, for the USA and for the rest of the countries down there. For USA, they were a relatively cheap way of getting rid of dictators they did not like, which further destabilized the region and made it open for exploitation by corporations and neighbor countries. At the same time, they replaced the Al Qaeda/Saddam Hussein/Gaddafi/Mubarak etc., and that way it always gives an excuse for the USA to be there. As far as the nearby countries are concerned, ISIS creates enough havoc for them to come in and take chunks of land and resources for themselves, so why would they fight their fellow Muslims, regardless how crazy they are, until they actually pose a threat to them.

Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Lebanon and almost any country down there that does not have strong leadership will cease to exist. Iraq especially, since you are right, with all those sides against each other, it was only thanks to a dictator that some order was established, you remove that, and it is chaos. I would not be surprised to see several smaller states being formed in the end, if the fighting ever stops, but I doubt that it will. The political vacuum needs to be filled, and until a new dictator rises, or gets placed there, this mess will continue and spill over to the surrounding countries.