The Voyager The Table
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06.07.2012 - 19:27Rating: 7
Just your daily reminder that Lulu was a Lou Reed album that Metallica played on, not a Metallica album that Lou Reed played on.
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Mattybu
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Written by The Voyager on 06.07.2012 at 19:27
Just your daily reminder that Lulu was a Lou Reed album that Metallica played on, not a Metallica album that Lou Reed played on.
Not that you could ever, ever forgive any of the parties involved for Lulu.
Ever.
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Big-Al
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06.07.2012 - 19:48Rating: 6
As an EP, it works very well... some overly funny lyrics but all was recorded during the death magnetic (love is a 4 letter word??? lol??!!!) sessions... but without being so overly produced and messed around with. Honestly I like this little EP. It works. Maybe it doesn't deserve the 9 I give it, but I do enjoy it.
While lulu (recorded 3 years after these tracks) is NOT a money grabbing project, it is SHIT and it really didnt work at all. But if we judge a band on their last performance/release this EP does redeem them, that is why they released this "unnecessary" nice little gem.
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Mattybu
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Written by Big-Al on 06.07.2012 at 19:48
As an EP, it works very well... some overly funny lyrics but all was recorded during the death magnetic (love is a 4 letter word??? lol??!!!) sessions... but without being so overly produced and messed around with. Honestly I like this little EP. It works. Maybe it doesn't deserve the 9 I give it, but I do enjoy it.
While lulu (recorded 3 years after these tracks) is NOT a money grabbing project, it is SHIT and it really didnt work at all. But if we judge a band on their last performance/release this EP does redeem them, that is why they released this "unnecessary" nice little gem.
Well sure it "works" as an EP. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the basic structure of this, its serviceable and certainly not as pathetic as Lulu. It's just boring a lot of the time, songs will have their moments but other than that it's hard to muster up any excitement about this. As I skim through iTunes to pick an album to play if the title ""Beyond Magnetic" catches my eye I would go, "meh, no."
As for Metallica redeeming themselves... I'm in the "Haven't put out an exceptional album since AJFA" boat. I thought Death Magnetic was fairly good, but certainly not redemption. That's probably the only post-80's era Metallica release that I got much enjoyment from.
I think at this point in Metallica's career, I have accepted the fact that nothing they will release will come close to touching their classics. So when they release something new I just take it for what it is and see if it's enjoyable. This wasn't really, but it wasn't that bad either.
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Butters49
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People still going on about lulu.
Maybe in 15 years people will give it a real listen.
Agree with the review though.
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Mattybu
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Written by Butters49 on 07.07.2012 at 01:11
People still going on about lulu.
Maybe in 15 years people will give it a real listen.
I think with how much people were put off by it, opinions aren't gonna change too much down the road. I mean, personally, I might listen to it in it's entirety once someday if I gun for the entire Metallica studio discography (which I might seeing as they're one of my favourite bands) but in all honesty I don't think people will ever come to like it.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by Butters49 on 07.07.2012 at 01:11 Maybe in 15 years people will give it a real listen.
People gave it a real listen when it was released. It had its chance and failed miserably, and for good reason.
The only reason people will like it in 15 years is because those who've heard it (and suffered from a severe loss of brain cells as a result) will spawn borderline-retarded children who can't grasp anything more complex than the single riff on Lulu and thus claim it to be "passable, but still not good".
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Listening to Hate Train- "Woah, this is pretty thrashy, was not expecting anything like this. Why the hell was this not on Death Magnetic?" 1:30 in-awesome thrashiness replaced by standard rock/groove metal chug riff. Makes me a sad panda.
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Mattybu
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malaikat
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As long as they try to be proggy, groovy and jethrotull-y, they will continue to suck more and more. Now, I'm not against bands experimenting, if they know how to do it. Metallica clearly doesn't, and yet they still feel that playing good ol' epic thrash is somehow beneath them now.
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afu
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I don't get stuck by bands changing. When I listen to an album, I judge it by the songwriting. Since I listen to blues, classic rock, psychedelic, pop, alternative, hard rock, old punk, and metal, (and play guitar in all those styles) there is a wide variety of things I will like if the songs hold up. I think Metallica have done pretty well. Some major missteps at times (most of Reload, almost all of St. Anger, working with Lulu Reed), but overall their ability to write songs and incorporate different things into their palette keeps it fresh. After all, if they'd stuck solely to thrash, half of Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets would not exist.
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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I'm still recovering from Lulu and to be honest, "Beyond Magnetic" wasn't that bad stuff.
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Butters49
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.07.2012 at 07:00
Written by Butters49 on 07.07.2012 at 01:11 Maybe in 15 years people will give it a real listen.
People gave it a real listen when it was released. It had its chance and failed miserably, and for good reason.
The only reason people will like it in 15 years is because those who've heard it (and suffered from a severe loss of brain cells as a result) will spawn borderline-retarded children who can't grasp anything more complex than the single riff on Lulu and thus claim it to be "passable, but still not good".
metalheads will never enjoy it.
The general pubic hairs may come to like it however.
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Kub
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"Fans who have somehow escaped Metallica's career without being offended (by a multitude of things, the sellout factor, St. Anger, Lulu) and still have faith in this band will probably love it."
I don't really get how somebody can be "offended" by musicians actually searching for new forms of expression and trying to develop. I guess most of people would be happy with them just copying "Master Of Puppets" for 30 years. There is a distinct lack of bands like Metallica these days, bands that do not give a fuck about criticism, and don't care if they lose half of them because they want to change direction. This is also the reason why metal became so boring during last decade - bands are afraid to lose sales and release "safe" albums so that the fans are not "offended" by progress (case in point - Kreator, who never expanded on Renewal, or Paradise Lost, who had to turn back after Host). Yuck. This is absolutely the same for metal as it is for pop or rap - do not change too much or the fans will reject you, as most of fans just want the same old all the time. I guess even Metallica backed down on DM and made the album for "old fans", but given their antics in the past I will give them benefit of doubt.
The EP is quite OK, my only gripe is with production really.
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Mattybu
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Written by Kub on 10.07.2012 at 14:39
"Fans who have somehow escaped Metallica's career without being offended (by a multitude of things, the sellout factor, St. Anger, Lulu) and still have faith in this band will probably love it."
I don't really get how somebody can be "offended" by musicians actually searching for new forms of expression and trying to develop. I guess most of people would be happy with them just copying "Master Of Puppets" for 30 years. There is a distinct lack of bands like Metallica these days, bands that do not give a fuck about criticism, and don't care if they lose half of them because they want to change direction. This is also the reason why metal became so boring during last decade - bands are afraid to lose sales and release "safe" albums so that the fans are not "offended" by progress (case in point - Kreator, who never expanded on Renewal, or Paradise Lost, who had to turn back after Host). Yuck. This is absolutely the same for metal as it is for pop or rap - do not change too much or the fans will reject you, as most of fans just want the same old all the time. I guess even Metallica backed down on DM and made the album for "old fans", but given their antics in the past I will give them benefit of doubt.
I have nothing against a band changing their sound if they can do a good job of it. But abominations like St. Anger and Lulu are bad albums in mine and a lot of people's opinions, and what people like you might call "expression" and "development" most people just call garbage.
The ironic part about your post is that the era of Metallica that is cherished by a lot of their fans shows a lot of progression and change in their music. You can't say that Ride the Lightning is just a rehash of Kill 'Em All, you can't say that AJFA is just a rehash of Master of Puppets.
Then came the self titled piece of shit album, and bye bye Metallica. And that album is, also ironically, the definition of a safe money maker.
So really, overall, I think Metallica has done plenty to disappoint and offend fans. But I appreciate the response and commend you for sticking behind your opinion.
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by Kub on 10.07.2012 at 14:39
I don't really get how somebody can be "offended" by musicians actually searching for new forms of expression and trying to develop. I guess most of people would be happy with them just copying "Master Of Puppets" for 30 years. There is a distinct lack of bands like Metallica these days, bands that do not give a fuck about criticism, and don't care if they lose half of them because they want to change direction. This is also the reason why metal became so boring during last decade - bands are afraid to lose sales and release "safe" albums so that the fans are not "offended" by progress (case in point - Kreator, who never expanded on Renewal, or Paradise Lost, who had to turn back after Host). Yuck. This is absolutely the same for metal as it is for pop or rap - do not change too much or the fans will reject you, as most of fans just want the same old all the time. I guess even Metallica backed down on DM and made the album for "old fans", but given their antics in the past I will give them benefit of doubt.
A distinct lack of bands like Metallica these days? No thanks. One band like Metallica is already way too much for me. Metallica represent all that is wrong with Metal sometimes. A sellout band that released nothing listenable after AJFA. Better a "safe" real Metal album than any crap Metallica released in the last 25 years.
Not all change is progress or evolution. Better something that is not anything new but works fine than something different that turns out shitty.
Funny how you mention Kreator and "Renewal". You just prove my point, as "Renewal" is a piece of shit. God bless them for "never expanding on Renewal".
I never liked Metallica in the first place, so nobody can accuse me of being bitter at the change and wanting them to copy MOP for 30 years. KEM was OK, no more. Same for RTL. I dislike MOP. AJFA was good, no more. IMO, Metallica were immensely overrated in the 80's, to the point it got annoying and are the most overrated Metal band of all time now. However, I can see that their old material is quite superior to what they're doing nowadays.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
you can't say that AJFA is just a rehash of Master of Puppets.
Actually, this is EXACTLY what it is, but weaker musically. The lack of Cliff Burton is painfully obvious.
This is the first album where Metallica started to practice redundant noodling and overblowing their songs: Frayed Ends of Sanity, And Justice For All, To Live Is To Die are the best examples of that.
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
Then came the self titled piece of shit album, and bye bye Metallica. And that album is, also ironically, the definition of a safe money maker.
That album was a masterstroke. If Metallica released another album full of plodding 8-minute thrash baloons, it would be a complete disaster. Simplifying their music was the only logical thing to do.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Daniell on 18.08.2014 at 09:44
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
you can't say that AJFA is just a rehash of Master of Puppets.
Actually, this is EXACTLY what it is, but weaker musically. The lack of Cliff Burton is painfully obvious.
Actually Master Of Puppets is already a rehash of Ride The Lightning. Just look at how the album evolves with the types of songs put in what place.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
Then came the self titled piece of shit album, and bye bye Metallica. And that album is, also ironically, the definition of a safe money maker.
How so ironically. metallica even said at the time of recording that album that they wanted to release a chart buster that would make them loads of money and that was the reason they Bob Rock as producer. Because of what he had done for Mötley Crüe on Dr. Feelgood.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.08.2014 at 11:51
Actually Master Of Puppets is already a rehash of Ride The Lightning. Just look at how the album evolves with the types of songs put in what place.
Yes, I know that, obviously. But Master of Puppets was a great album, while And Justice... wasn't.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Daniell on 18.08.2014 at 16:48
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.08.2014 at 11:51
Actually Master Of Puppets is already a rehash of Ride The Lightning. Just look at how the album evolves with the types of songs put in what place.
Yes, I know that, obviously. But Master of Puppets was a great album, while And Justice... wasn't.
True...
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Mattybu
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.08.2014 at 11:53
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
Then came the self titled piece of shit album, and bye bye Metallica. And that album is, also ironically, the definition of a safe money maker.
How so ironically. metallica even said at the time of recording that album that they wanted to release a chart buster that would make them loads of money and that was the reason they Bob Rock as producer. Because of what he had done for Mötley Crüe on Dr. Feelgood.
Read what the quote was a response to. One of the things I said a fan might be pissed off about (in the review) is the fact that Metallica sold out, and he referred to it as "musically searching for new forms of expression and trying to develop". The ironic part is that he didn't acknowledge the album is designed to be safe and sell a lot and a perfect example of a trailblazing and changing band regressing into totally trite music that had been done before.
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Mattybu
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Written by Daniell on 18.08.2014 at 09:44
Written by Mattybu on 10.07.2012 at 20:04
you can't say that AJFA is just a rehash of Master of Puppets.
Actually, this is EXACTLY what it is, but weaker musically. The lack of Cliff Burton is painfully obvious.
This is the first album where Metallica started to practice redundant noodling and overblowing their songs: Frayed Ends of Sanity, And Justice For All, To Live Is To Die are the best examples of that.
Not really, I would consider Blackened, One, Eye Of The Beholder, The Shortest Straw, and Dyers Eve great songs. And by that point it's getting to like half the album. The production was bad, but there were some really well written songs on it. I consider it at the very least as good an album as Master of Puppets, maybe better.
The album structure that was used on RTL and MOP is followed but a little more loosely, and the songs and ideas are all different than the previous album. If you want to write it off as "redundant noodling" that's fine, but to say it's a rehash of the previous album doesn't make much sense seeing how it is different. A band doesn't need to completely change their genre for albums to have differences.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
Written by Mattybu on 18.08.2014 at 19:44
Not really, I would consider Blackened, One, Eye Of The Beholder, The Shortest Straw, and Dyers Eve great songs.
Minus Eye, I completely agree. I especially love Blackened. But 4 great songs are not enough.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Daniell on 18.08.2014 at 21:13
Written by Mattybu on 18.08.2014 at 19:44
Not really, I would consider Blackened, One, Eye Of The Beholder, The Shortest Straw, and Dyers Eve great songs.
Minus Eye, I completely agree. I especially love Blackened. But 4 great songs are not enough.
And only Blackened, One and Dyers Eve for me and bits of To Live Is To Die.
3 and a bit songs is by far not enought to please me.
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