Once again, recommendations are more than welcomed

The especial name of "Infestus - E x I I s t" makes it impossible to link it correctly to the list because of usage off "|" in the album name.

Definitely a very modern list. I've no issue with that.

Suggestions that would not look out of place here:

Arizmenda - Within the Vacuum of Infinity
Black Hole Generator - Black Karma
Brown Jenkins - Death Obsession
Chryst - Phantasmachronica
Cloak of Altering - any album
Code - Nouveau Glaoming
Dark Tribe - In Jeraspunta
De Magia Veterum - any album
Dwellers of the Twilight - Sycophant
Gnome - Silent Scream
Iperyt - No State of Grace
Merrimack - The Acausal Mass
Muknal - Muknal
Nachtmystium - Instinct: Decay
The Ruins of Beverast - Unlock the Shrine
Nagelfar - Hunengrab im Herbst
Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations
Netra - Melancolie Urbaine
Ofermod - Mystérion Tés Anomias
Ondskapt - Dodens Evangelium
Ophidian Forest - Redbad
Oranssi Pazuzu - Muukalainen Puhuu
Sjodogg - Landscape of Disease and Decadence
Stagnant Waters - Stagnant Waters
Subvertio Deus - Psalms of Perdition
Sun of the Blind - Skullreader
Surachai - Embraced
S.V.E.S.T. - Urfaust
Transcending Bizarre? - The Four Scissors
(V.E.G.A.) - Cocaine: A Sick Mind's Hologram
V:28 - SoulSaviour
Ved Buens Ende - Written In Waters
Verdunkeln - Einblick in den Qualenfall
Void - Decoding the Messages of the Drones of Halogen Lights
Void - Void (UK)
Walknut - Graveforests and Their Shadows

That'll do....

Written by Guest on 04.09.2013 at 14:12

Definitely a very modern list. I've no issue with that.

Suggestions that would not look out of place here:

Arizmenda - Within the Vacuum of Infinity
Black Hole Generator - Black Karma
Brown Jenkins - Death Obsession
Chryst - Phantasmachronica
Cloak of Altering - any album
Code - Nouveau Glaoming
Dark Tribe - In Jeraspunta
De Magia Veterum - any album
Dwellers of the Twilight - Sycophant
Gnome - Silent Scream
Iperyt - No State of Grace
Merrimack - The Acausal Mass
Muknal - Muknal
Nachtmystium - Instinct: Decay
The Ruins of Beverast - Unlock the Shrine
Nagelfar - Hunengrab im Herbst
Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations
Netra - Melancolie Urbaine
Ofermod - Mystérion Tés Anomias
Ondskapt - Dodens Evangelium
Ophidian Forest - Redbad
Oranssi Pazuzu - Muukalainen Puhuu
Sjodogg - Landscape of Disease and Decadence
Stagnant Waters - Stagnant Waters
Subvertio Deus - Psalms of Perdition
Sun of the Blind - Skullreader
Surachai - Embraced
S.V.E.S.T. - Urfaust
Transcending Bizarre? - The Four Scissors
(V.E.G.A.) - Cocaine: A Sick Mind's Hologram
V:28 - SoulSaviour
Ved Buens Ende - Written In Waters
Verdunkeln - Einblick in den Qualenfall
Void - Decoding the Messages of the Drones of Halogen Lights
Void - Void (UK)
Walknut - Graveforests and Their Shadows

That'll do....

Yeah, it's definitely modern as I somehow hate second wave of black metal.
Regarding the bands you suggested, I've heard Nachtmystium but their "Addicts Black Meddle Pt II", The Ruins of Beverast "Foulest Semen..." (I was actually rechecking this album when you commented here), Sun of the Blind "Skullreader" and maybe a few samples from others like V.E.G.A and S.V.E.S.T. DMV and CoA have also been on my check list since their mastermind is also behind the absolutly fantastic GTT and I have avoided them for no reason more than laziness. Basically I have gotten 25+ new bands to check out. Most of the time your suggestions are pretty good so that means a lot of excellent albums in theory. Thank you

Personally, I find Instinct: Decay a thousand times better than Assassins. Very different style. Same goes for that Ruins of Beverast album; I think you'd like Unlock the Shrine and Rain Upon the Impure a lot more.

More hispter BM is definitely needed Try some Wittr, Altar of Plaques, Deafheaven, Vestiges, Panopticon, Encirling Sea, Wildernessking. Locrian, etc

Nice list

Written by 1Yossarian1 on 04.09.2013 at 14:56

Locrian

I like this band, but I don't get how they keep getting lumped into the black metal circuit. They have a very best a minor black influence in what is largely experimental drone / ambient music. Not really part of the whole "hipster" black movement either I'd say.

Written by 1Yossarian1 on 04.09.2013 at 14:56

More hispter BM is definitely needed Try some Wittr, Altar of Plaques, Deafheaven, Vestiges, Panopticon, Encirling Sea, Wildernessking. Locrian, etc

Nice list

From hipster BM movement, I like Wolves in Throne Room more than others. Initially, I was meant to include their debut here but postponded it to check their entire discography again and deciede on what's their best. Also,deafheaven was good but nowhere near albums on this list IMO.
BTW, thank you

Written by Guest on 04.09.2013 at 14:59

Written by 1Yossarian1 on 04.09.2013 at 14:56

Locrian

They have a very best a minor black influence in what is largely experimental drone / ambient music.

Ok, their formula sounds 100 times better than hipster BM

Written by Guest on 04.09.2013 at 14:59

Written by 1Yossarian1 on 04.09.2013 at 14:56

Locrian

I like this band, but I don't get how they keep getting lumped into the black metal circuit. They have a very best a minor black influence in what is largely experimental drone / ambient music. Not really part of the whole "hipster" black movement either I'd say.

Hahaha dude I dont really care much for people throwing around the hipster title to bands, like I don't think you can get very technical about what bands are or should be included under that title? I only mentioned it because people seem to know what kind of sound you are referring too...

Yeah for sure Locrian is largely a drone/noise rock/ambient project. But there is definitely BM twist too it, and they do fit in quite nicely with bands like Altar of Plagues, etc. Regardless of whether the fit into any "movement" I just mentioned them, because if you like the other bands I mentioned then you would probably dig them too...

What do you think of their new album?

Written by 1Yossarian1 on 04.09.2013 at 15:34

Hahaha dude I dont really care much for people throwing around the hipster title to bands, like I don't think you can get very technical about what bands are or should be included under that title? I only mentioned it because people seem to know what kind of sound you are referring too...

Yeah for sure Locrian is largely a drone/noise rock/ambient project. But there is definitely BM twist too it, and they do fit in quite nicely with bands like Altar of Plagues, etc. Regardless of whether the fit into any "movement" I just mentioned them, because if you like the other bands I mentioned then you would probably dig them too...

What do you think of their new album?

I haven't heard it, but from the songs I've heard from their newest stuff they do seem to be adopting that shoegazey / post feel. I'm probably not going to like it as much as their more foreboding early stuff.

Sick list you got here man. Our black metal tastes are really different I must say, as you like the more obscure stuff (which I have also in my most recent list), while I like pretty much every style in BM except for SDBM (which is still ridiculous in my opinion, I can't stand the crying vocals). So don't take this the wrong way when I say your list could seriously use more variety, because as of now it's pretty specific BM.

Yes, finally I can give someone suggestions again. I don't have an insane amount of recommendations like Joe, but here are the ones (1 album/band, to keep it comprehensible for you) that are all 9/10's and 10/10's in my opinion (so all favourites of mine):
- Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia (avantgarde/symphonic black)
- Caladan Brood - Echoes of Battle (epic atmospheric black)
- Dimmu Borgir - Spiritual Black Dimensions (symphonic black)
- Dordeduh - Dar De Duh (atmospheric blackened folk)
- Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse/Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk (symhponic black) (seriously, either one of these is essential to any black metal list )
- Fen - The Malediction Fields (atmospheric blackened post)
- Graveworm - As the Angels Reach the Beauty (symphonic black)
- Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult (black)
- Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia (symphonic black)
- Midnight Odyssey - Funerals From The Astral Sphere (ambient atmospheric black)
- Moonspell - Wolfheart (blackened gothic folk)
- Old Man's Child - In Defiance Of Existence (melodic/symphonic black)
- Progenie Terrestre Pura - U.M.A. (ambient industrial blackened post)
- Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn/Stronghold (epic atmospheric black)
- Ulver - Bergtatt - Et Eeventyr I 5 Capitler (blackened folk)
- Vordven - Towards the Frozen Stream (melodic atmospheric black)
- Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters/Diadem of 12 Stars (atmospheric black)

So yeah, still a bit more suggestions than I expected to give you, but all of those are fantastic, so definitely check 'em out.

Written by mz on 04.09.2013 at 13:17

The especial name of "Infestus - E x I I s t" makes it impossible to link it correctly to the list because of usage off "|" in the album name.

I noticed that too in my most recent list. Totally annoying, but I solved it pretty much the same way you did.

Written by Erik M. on 05.09.2013 at 00:02

Sick list you got here man. Our black metal tastes are really different I must say, as you like the more obscure stuff (which I have also in my most recent list), while I like pretty much every style in BM except for SDBM (which is still ridiculous in my opinion, I can't stand the crying vocals). So don't take this the wrong way when I say your list could seriously use more variety, because as of now it's pretty specific BM.

Yes, finally I can give someone suggestions again. I don't have an insane amount of recommendations like Joe, but here are the ones (1 album/band, to keep it comprehensible for you) that are all 9/10's and 10/10's in my opinion (so all favourites of mine):
- Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia (avantgarde/symphonic black)
- Caladan Brood - Echoes of Battle (epic atmospheric black)
- Dimmu Borgir - Spiritual Black Dimensions (symphonic black)
- Dordeduh - Dar De Duh (atmospheric blackened folk)
- Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse/Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk (symhponic black) (seriously, either one of these is essential to any black metal list )
- Fen - The Malediction Fields (atmospheric blackened post)
- Graveworm - As the Angels Reach the Beauty (symphonic black)
- Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult (black)
- Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia (symphonic black)
- Midnight Odyssey - Funerals From The Astral Sphere (ambient atmospheric black)
- Moonspell - Wolfheart (blackened gothic folk)
- Old Man's Child - In Defiance Of Existence (melodic/symphonic black)
- Progenie Terrestre Pura - U.M.A. (ambient industrial blackened post)
- Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn/Stronghold (epic atmospheric black)
- Ulver - Bergtatt - Et Eeventyr I 5 Capitler (blackened folk)
- Vordven - Towards the Frozen Stream (melodic atmospheric black)
- Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters/Diadem of 12 Stars (atmospheric black)

So yeah, still a bit more suggestions than I expected to give you, but all of those are fantastic, so definitely check 'em out.

Written by mz on 04.09.2013 at 13:17

The especial name of "Infestus - E x I I s t" makes it impossible to link it correctly to the list because of usage off "|" in the album name.

I noticed that too in my most recent list. Totally annoying, but I solved it pretty much the same way you did.

recommend some more standard bm albums, and for some bands even inferior ones. Espcieally, Ulver, Old Man's Child, Limbonic Art (although it is still good), everythigng by Inquisition, wannbeees Graveworm who have never released anything worthwhile in this genre, Dordeduh who are vastly inferior to anything those band members did in Negura Bunget, Dimmu Borgir, you recommend their first truly weak album? wth? Caladan Brood pure Summoning rip off only of interest to die hard Summoning fans, Arcturus when La Masquerade Infernale is vastly superior to this one which is all over the place and has loads of off-key moments in all the music. Let those first to be heard by classical music musicians and they'll cringe when they hear the debut and applaud the second album. That's where they reached what they tried to achieve and failed with their debut at.

Written by Erik M. on 05.09.2013 at 00:02

while I like pretty much every style in BM except for SDBM (which is still ridiculous in my opinion, I can't stand the crying vocals).

yet you are a huge doom metal fan and espcially of My Dying Bride. Then what you say about dsbm is totally baffling. The biggest cryer in metal ever and especially during the last eight years and live is Aaron of My Dying Bride

Since when is Arcturus's The Sham Mirrors considered black metal?

@Marcel Can't really recommend La Masquerade Infernale for a BM list (although that is by far and above their greatest album!)...

Written by Erik M. on 05.09.2013 at 00:02

Sick list you got here man. Our black metal tastes are really different I must say, as you like the more obscure stuff (which I have also in my most recent list), while I like pretty much every style in BM except for SDBM (which is still ridiculous in my opinion, I can't stand the crying vocals). So don't take this the wrong way when I say your list could seriously use more variety, because as of now it's pretty specific BM.

Yes, finally I can give someone suggestions again. I don't have an insane amount of recommendations like Joe, but here are the ones (1 album/band, to keep it comprehensible for you) that are all 9/10's and 10/10's in my opinion (so all favourites of mine):
- Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia (avantgarde/symphonic black)
- Caladan Brood - Echoes of Battle (epic atmospheric black)
- Dimmu Borgir - Spiritual Black Dimensions (symphonic black)
- Dordeduh - Dar De Duh (atmospheric blackened folk)
- Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse/Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk (symhponic black) (seriously, either one of these is essential to any black metal list )
- Fen - The Malediction Fields (atmospheric blackened post)
- Graveworm - As the Angels Reach the Beauty (symphonic black)
- Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult (black)
- Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia (symphonic black)
- Midnight Odyssey - Funerals From The Astral Sphere (ambient atmospheric black)
- Moonspell - Wolfheart (blackened gothic folk)
- Old Man's Child - In Defiance Of Existence (melodic/symphonic black)
- Progenie Terrestre Pura - U.M.A. (ambient industrial blackened post)
- Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn/Stronghold (epic atmospheric black)
- Ulver - Bergtatt - Et Eeventyr I 5 Capitler (blackened folk)
- Vordven - Towards the Frozen Stream (melodic atmospheric black)
- Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters/Diadem of 12 Stars (atmospheric black)

So yeah, still a bit more suggestions than I expected to give you, but all of those are fantastic, so definitely check 'em out.

I admit that my taste in black metal very restricted and narrowed. Obviously I prefer ambient/industrial black metal over the other sub-genres of BM. Also,it might be due to the fact that BM is relatively new genre for me and I had not enough time to check its other sub-genres.
These days, I personally am not generally interested in melodic forms of extreme metal genres like melodic death and melodic death doom and same applies to melodic black. I go to progressive metal when I have craving for melodic music.It's safe to say that melodic/symphonic/epic black metal is not really my cup of tea. I still would check your suggestions like OM'sC, Summoning,Graveworm and DB but they are not my first priority. Moreover, I generally do not like Norwegian BM bands of second wave (Ok, Mayhem,s OaC is an expectation) but if you think that Emperor is good I will give it another chance. In addition, I stated that Wolves in the Throne Room would have an album here, probably their debut . I also checked out Fen's album last year and was not interested in it at all. I recall it as really average =P Should definitely revisit that
The album which every one is praising and does seem compatible with my taste is Progenie Terrestre Pura - U.M.A. Will definitely check this out today, Thanks

Regarding SDBM, I am also not much interested in this genre tbh. Shining is a band in this genre which is really excellent and that's it for me at the moment
Anyway, thank you.Please give new recommendations if you found anything new whcih you think I might like

Written by psykometal on 05.09.2013 at 06:20

Since when is Arcturus's The Sham Mirrors considered black metal?

@Marcel Can't really recommend La Masquerade Infernale for a BM list (although that is by far and above their greatest album!)...

I confess that the last time I listened to that album was 2 years ago and it did sound BM. I will re-listen to that in few future days to see what happens
Tnx

Written by psykometal on 05.09.2013 at 06:20

@Marcel Can't really recommend La Masquerade Infernale for a BM list (although that is by far and above their greatest album!)...

Last time I listened to Arcturus' best album (La Masquerade INfernale) it was still black metal albeit rife with avantagrde stuff.

If you ask me The Sham Mirrors still houses enough black metal influence to warrant an inclusion on such a list.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.09.2013 at 13:28

Last time I listened to Arcturus' best album (La Masquerade INfernale) it was still black metal albeit rife with avantagrde stuff.

Written by Guest on 05.09.2013 at 14:49

If you ask me The Sham Mirrors still houses enough black metal influence to warrant an inclusion on such a list.

Clearly I agree with you both that these two albums are still black metal, although I still prefer The Sham Mirrors over La Masquerade INfernale slightly

It has at least one proper black metal song on anyway.

Written by mz on 05.09.2013 at 15:04

, although I still prefer The Sham Mirrors over La Masquerade INfernale slightly

How dare you just kidding.
The Sham Mirrors does come close to La Masquerade Infernale for me, though.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.09.2013 at 13:28

Last time I listened to Arcturus' best album (La Masquerade INfernale) it was still black metal albeit rife with avantagrde stuff.

Huh? How can you call that album a BM album?! The only moment on that album that could really be considered BM is the blast beating in the intro to "Alone", and the once or twice used black metal vocals. Other than that the album is pretty much solid Avantgarde...

Quite a few black metal chord progression and riffing going on as well.

Written by psykometal on 05.09.2013 at 16:57

solid Avantgarde...

Define "solid avant-garde." Most of time it's an avant-garde form of something else. Look at Ved Buens Ende, some of Virus' stuff and so on. There's definitely strong elements of black metal in Arcturus up to their final album, which itself is totally free of black metal influence if my memory serves.

Indeed avant-garde is not a stand alone term/genre. You have avnat-garde black, avant-garde death, avant-garde jazz, but not avant-garde as such.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, since I do believe that Avantgarde can be a standalone genre, just like Progressive. However since you two disagree with me, then to put it in your terms, LMF and TSM are Avantgarde Progressive metal, not Avantgarde BM. Guess we just have entirely too different ideas on what BM and Avantgarde (or Avantgarde Progressive) are cuz I don't hear anywhere near enough BM on LMF or TSM to call either of those albums "BM".

Avant-garde progressive metal? I'm pretty sure there's no such thing and has never been. By definition an avant-garde metal band is at least already progressive in nature, typically geared even more toward experimental (hence the term avant-garde being used instead of progressive) so using the term progressive is pretty unnecessary in my opinion, unless we're talking about prog-rock which has a more defined set of rules (but we're not, we're talking about progressive metal which is more loose considering the generally large amount of genres it can be applied to, and even then it's usually applied to bands with long songs and bit more convoluted structure). Basically there's very little in Arcturus which lends itself to what is generally considered progressive metal, but lots in what is considered avant-garde. There is however still strains of black metal's aesthetics and a few technical points left over until the final album.

Way to rip that list Marcel hahahaha. Welp... I like Ulver's debut. xD
Anyways, nice list mz.

Written by Guest on 05.09.2013 at 18:14

Avant-garde progressive metal? I'm pretty sure there's no such thing and has never been. By definition an avant-garde metal band is at least already progressive in nature, typically geared even more toward experimental (hence the term avant-garde being used instead of progressive) so using the term progressive is pretty unnecessary in my opinion, unless we're talking about prog-rock which has a more defined set of rules (but we're not, we're talking about progressive metal which is more loose considering the generally large amount of genres it can be applied to, and even then it's usually applied to bands with long songs and bit more convoluted structure). Basically there's very little in Arcturus which lends itself to what is generally considered progressive metal, but lots in what is considered avant-garde. There is however still strains of black metal's aesthetics and a few technical points left over until the final album.

And I agree with you that "Avantgarde Progressive" is absurd due to the very nature of the term "Avantgarde". However you and Marcel appear to be indicating that "Avantarde Metal" can not be a standalone genre, that the term "Avantgarde" can only be used as a prefix (ie Avantgarde Black, Avantgarde Death, Avantgarde Thrash, etc.), which I disagree with. So I was merely attempting to indicate how absurd I feel calling those two albums "Avantgarde BM" is.

And I agree there are SOME BM aesthetics and moments in those album, but nowhere near enough to call those albums "Avantgarde BM", just "Avantgarde Metal".