Someone heard the new Satanic Warmaster? Pretty good if you ask me.
And as far as I know there are no NS lyrics...

Written by Koen Smits on 04.11.2010 at 21:42

Someone heard the new Satanic Warmaster? Pretty good if you ask me.
And as far as I know there are no NS lyrics...

Check out the Strength And Honour album. Here are a couple of snippets. Reason enough for us to blacklist them for life.

"Reign of tyranny, of magick and strength
Enthroned Aryan spirit the resurrection of our reich"

...

"Sieg Heil! The sign of our cross rises
The age of fire and retribution is upon us
Shadow resistance, the order of hate
Against the cross that has oppressed us for so long

Torching the jewish creation
Laughing on their despair when they cry
Blood shall be our guide - On the battlefield
Where the churches burn bright in the night"

...

"In the forest of broken crosses
The aryan wind has blown
The blazing torch of death's majesty
Reflected on the skull

Torching winds of war
The semite creation in ashes
The remains blown away to the past
Of the new Hyperborean order"

I rest my case...

Written by Lucas on 04.11.2010 at 21:48

Written by Koen Smits on 04.11.2010 at 21:42

Someone heard the new Satanic Warmaster? Pretty good if you ask me.
And as far as I know there are no NS lyrics...

Check out the Strength And Honour album. Here are a couple of snippets. Reason enough for us to blacklist them for life.



"Reign of tyranny, of magick and strength
Enthroned Aryan spirit the resurrection of our reich"

...

"Sieg Heil! The sign of our cross rises
The age of fire and retribution is upon us
Shadow resistance, the order of hate
Against the cross that has oppressed us for so long

Torching the jewish creation
Laughing on their despair when they cry
Blood shall be our guide - On the battlefield
Where the churches burn bright in the night"

...

"In the forest of broken crosses
The aryan wind has blown
The blazing torch of death's majesty
Reflected on the skull

Torching winds of war
The semite creation in ashes
The remains blown away to the past
Of the new Hyperborean order"

I rest my case...

Yes I knew he had those lyrics in the past.
I only stated there are no NS lyrics on this release.

But I agree to exclude him from this website

Oh ok, sorry, I misunderstood.

Why would someone wanna blacklist Satanic Warmaster?

Distant Blazing Eye. Love at first sight.

Pictured above: illiteracy.

Written by The Turbanator on 08.12.2010 at 16:14

Why would someone wanna blacklist Satanic Warmaster?

Distant Blazing Eye. Love at first sight.

did you read Lucas' post where he quotes a couple of songs?
And since we as MS have the policy of "No NS bans" I would think it's quite clear why they aren't featured.
Also check the song "dreams of 88" to see what I mean. But then again the 88 is already a dead giveaway.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.12.2010 at 16:29

Written by The Turbanator on 08.12.2010 at 16:14

Why would someone wanna blacklist Satanic Warmaster?

Distant Blazing Eye. Love at first sight.

did you read Lucas' post where he quotes a couple of songs?
And since we as MS have the policy of "No NS bans" I would think it's quite clear why they aren't featured.
Also check the song "dreams of 88" to see what I mean. But then again the 88 is already a dead giveaway.

Ah okay so MS is anti-NS. That's fair enough. But then for me I'm more interested in the music rather than the ideology these bands bring. Like M8L8TH, a total NS band but still makes brilliant music. Alot of other bands have NS ideology in them and don't express them in music. Last I heard Walknut members support NS.

But that's just my 2 cents anyway. And sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the issue with "88"?

Written by The Turbanator on 08.12.2010 at 17:55
But that's just my 2 cents anyway. And sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the issue with "88"?

88 = HH = Heil Hitler

Written by vezzy on 08.12.2010 at 18:04

Written by The Turbanator on 08.12.2010 at 17:55
But that's just my 2 cents anyway. And sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the issue with "88"?

88 = HH = Heil Hitler

Ha that was obvious isn't haha. Thanks dude.

Just got an email from Nathan Birk (Moribund Records) regarding Satanic Warmaster and Hellfest:

SATANIC WARMASTER REMOVED FROM HELLFEST 2011

Finnish black metal band SATANIC WARMASTER has been removed from the French Hellfest festival (held in Clisson, France in July 2011) because of pressure from other artists performing at the festival. SATANIC WARMASTER has made the following statement due to the decision of the Hellfest organizers:

"It has been brought to my attention, that the organizers of the festival cannot hold on to our agreement to have SATANIC WARMASTER perform at the 2011 Hellfest. This was because of pressure put to the organizers by other
artists booked on the festival.

It is a disappointment (despite being totally expected) to see such mentality still present in the 'individualist' and 'free-thinking' metal community that any musical act can still be boycotted because of false preconceptions and arbitrary political motivations of other, 'bigger' artists. It is also more than amusing to see that the censorship and boycott some of the French authorities tried to push on the festival earlier are now excercised [sic] by the festival organization itself.

Obviously because I have never upheld any modern taboos or lived my life as an apologetic dabbler, it makes me also a target for politically motivated artists to keep us from playing because of their self-righteous reasons. Any artist can be put on a mock trial by taking words out of their context without thinking of the actual message, and SATANIC WARMASTER once again hangs crucified by hysterics driven by the love for a world and values I feel no oneness with.

Everyone who has even slightest interest in this musical style knows what black metal is about, and in that light only a moralist or someone with a very extreme double standard can say that SATANIC WARMASTER is in some manner different from other artists of the genre.

It makes me want to puke for making a statement like this, which is almost something that a politician would do, but to clear some things, it was mandatory to bite the bullet this time.

Just to make sure everyone has their labels right, SATANIC WARMASTER's ideology is Satanism and music style black metal. Whoever claims otherwise does so only because of personal feelings and/or resentment."

- Werwolf

"It is a disappointment (despite being totally expected) to see such mentality still present in the 'individualist' and 'free-thinking' metal community that any musical act can still be boycotted because of false preconceptions and arbitrary political motivations of other, 'bigger' artists. It is also more than amusing to see that the censorship and boycott some of the French authorities tried to push on the festival earlier are now excercised [sic] by the festival organization itself."

Too true. I'm not supporting him but what he said is right. It's a shame.

If you really think you can run around screaming ""Sieg Heil!" and don't expect repercussions, you're an idiot.

I think it's on the same level as running around saying "Kill the Christians", and the metal comunity accepts it anyway.

This said, I rarely pay attention to lyric content so I don't care if they sing about NS or happy poneys in a flowerland as long as the music is nice.

Written by Lucas on 30.01.2011 at 11:37

If you really think you can run around screaming ""Sieg Heil!" and don't expect repercussions, you're an idiot.

Well does he do that in live shows? I'm assuming that they voted him out because of his views, not action. If it's true then it's really unfair. They should have warned him from expressing Nazi lyrics/symbols/actions during his shows.

We have anti-religion, anti-god bands. Whats the difference then? If people start taking lyrics seriously, then they need to get their head examined.

I really don't want to get into this again, this has been held thousands of times. But yes, one of his lyrics contains "Sieg Heil" (and other stuff, check one of my other posts in this thread). So technically, that would be one of this 'actions' during the show (if he'd play that during his show).

The difference between anti-christianity and anti-semitism is that the former is hatred against a belief, an ideology, a philosophy or whatever you want to call it, while the latter is hatred against a race, a biologic trait.

Written by The Turbanator on 30.01.2011 at 17:32

We have anti-religion, anti-god bands. Whats the difference then? If people start taking lyrics seriously, then they need to get their head examined.

That's the difference, people don't take the anti-rreligion, anti-god bands seriously but they do take loads of NSBM bands' lyrics seriously. In Eastern Europe people do get attacked due to the inciting to attack minorities etc in lyrics of nsbm bands.

Also in a lot of countries any form op NS propganda (that means also in lyrics) is forbidden by law.

Anti-christianity "kill the christian" stuff is largely empty rhetoric made by morons looking to cash in on teen angst.

ns lyrics are equally stupid rhetoric, backed up with 6,000,000 deaths in the last century.

if you cannot see the difference, well, there is little point in continuing discussion here.

(never mind why a festival held in France might not look kindly upon a band spouting that ideology... )

Written by BitterCOld on 30.01.2011 at 17:46

Anti-christianity "kill the christian" stuff is largely empty rhetoric made by morons looking to cash in on teen angst.

ns lyrics are equally stupid rhetoric, backed up with 6,000,000 deaths in the last century.

if you cannot see the difference, well, there is little point in continuing discussion here.

(never mind why a festival held in France might not look kindly upon a band spouting that ideology... )

When I said both were the same I wasn't refering to the fact both were treated in the same way or suffered the same throughout History (even if both got fucked up pretty frequently).
My point was that both types of "anti-" behaviour are just expressing some hate towards a religion.

People justify alot of anti-christian stuff by saying they really don't mean it or "to cash in on teenage angst". Why wouldn't it be the same for NS bands? Yes, I know, so do take it seriously but does that make every one that listens/plays NSBM a nazi ? No.

It's frequent that bands take controversial subjects to piss off people that don't want them mentioned by any means.

NSBM isn't against a religion, it's against a race.

Well they could have just asked him to remove the Nazi related words/symbols from his songs and play a 'clean' concert rather than axing him out without giving him a warning.

Kinda harsh, imo. His music is brilliant.

I don't know if he'd accept the offer to play a "clean" concert.

Also Nazism isn't just anti-Semitism, it's against all races and people considered "inferior", that includes blacks, cripples, homosexuals, Slavs, Romani, etc.

Pointless continuing. just pointless.

maybe some folks should google image search "holocaust" for a clear picture of why people espousing a certain view point might not be welcome.

Written by Lucas on 30.01.2011 at 18:27

NSBM isn't against a religion, it's against a race.

I guess this is the reason why we have different points of view. I don't consider jews a different race. For me, a jew is someone that practices judaism. There isn't a stereotype of jew that allows you to put a "race" tag on them.

And I thought that political correctness taught us that there is only one race, the human race. And we were bound to live together in a happy world.

Ok, sorry for that stupid last sentence. I'll just stop coz as with alot of other subjects, it is hard to convince someone when both sides believe to have the right opinion

Written by Vombatus on 30.01.2011 at 18:55

Written by Lucas on 30.01.2011 at 18:27

NSBM isn't against a religion, it's against a race.

I guess this is the reason why we have different points of view. I don't consider jews a different race. For me, a jew is someone that practices judaism. There isn't a stereotype of jew that allows you to put a "race" tag on them.

And I thought that political correctness taught us that there is only one race, the human race. And we were bound to live together in a happy world.

Ok, sorry for that stupid last sentence. I'll just stop coz as with alot of other subjects, it is hard to convince someone when both sides believe to have the right opinion

Jews are a semite race. There is the jewish religion and the people Jews those two are different things. Hitler viewed them inferior not because of thier religion but because of their race.

Written by vezzy on 30.01.2011 at 18:41

I don't know if he'd accept the offer to play a "clean" concert.

Well they should have asked him then. Who knows? If they asked and he still insist, then I'll understand. But to axe him out just because he has radical Nazism views is harsh.

And also, aren't Walknut members National Socialists? What about Hate Forest or Drudkh?

Wow, didn't realize SW still garners such negative response! You gotta give the NSBM scene credit for their marketing strategy I suppose... After all, art is only art when it evokes emotion, positive or negative.

Written by BitterCOld on 30.01.2011 at 18:43

Pointless continuing. just pointless.

maybe some folks should google image search "holocaust" for a clear picture of why people espousing a certain view point might not be welcome.

We all know what Holocaust is, no need to bring that up. It was one of the blackest stain in history. And no, it's not pointless.

Eh. The issue is pretty clear: there is very little theoretical difference, and insisting otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Any lyrics and ideologies which encourage views or actions that are considered immoral and contrary to society's interests are in the same boat. However, society has different norms about different things, and considers some things more dangerous and wrong than others. There are historical reasons Nazism, Racism and Anti-Semitism are condemned more severly than Anti-Christianity or Socialism, for example. They have to do with guilt, shame, the fear of the past repeating itself, the realistic concern that ethnic violence still happens, the horror and disapproval we feel for the acts if WWII, and the political outcome of the war. Some of these reasons are valid, others could be criticized, but they're all part of the ethical reality we live in. Morality and law are not timeless, intellectual and theoretical entities, they are historical concepts that develop organically in real life. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be critical of our morality from an intellectual perspective: we rightfully shouldn't tolerate any kind of violence or illegal behaviour encouraged in music, and at the same time we probably shouldn't jump the gun quite as easily when Anti-Semitism is brought up. Of course there is a double-standard that is related to politics. But that's life.

Mind you, I'm not one of those naive "individualists" who reduce morality to institutional violence exercised by the "establishment" or whatever. It can studied from such a perspective, but its meaning isn't reduced to one method and the method makes no evaluative judgement on whether it's "right" or "wrong." I am quite happy to conform to the general principles of my society, which is a sign of maturity and successful socialization. I'm just pointing out roughly how it is, from an observer's point of view (which we can never purely have into our society, of course).

As for Satanic Warmaster, I've never really been into that stuff. The vocals and sound just isn't to my liking. They do have some cool riffs from time to time, though.

Strength & Honour is one of the best Black Metal albums ever made, imo. The other stuff is good to, but Nazgul never again reached that cold, aggressive atmosphere he had on his first album. I'd really like to see his live, but I suppose the chance for him to play a gig in Germany is quite small.

As for the politics: I could not care less. In fact I rather listen to a NSBM band than some idiot who on the one side sings about genocide and war against the evil, evil Christians who took his poor ancestors faith, land and culture and then starts crying around about shit like NS and the holocaust because he fears that he might actually face some real consequences for the shit he propagates in the lyrics of his little Black Metal band.
It's a shame that a self-proclaimed anti-social and elitist scene like the BM scene allows some high guardians of moral to force their views and restrictions onto them.