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Posted by Groby94, 11.10.2014 - 19:08
I just noticed this happening today. I checked all of the top albums this year and most of their ratings suddenly went down, and that's because of several 1 ratings appeared out of nowhere during the night.

Something should be done about this, not because of stupid reasons as "my favorite band isn't 1st place omg". The rating system should reflect the real overall opinion of the users on the album (duh), and it should help other users decide whether they would want to give the album a shot or not (among other factors, of course).
14.01.2020 - 19:11
RaduP
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15.01.2020 - 06:50
Troy Killjoy
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Written by RaduP on 14.01.2020 at 19:11

This duderino

Nuked votes and banned accounts (had two accounts both used for doling out 10s and 1s).
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21.01.2020 - 12:47
K|ng
New kid on the block.. He is trying to "fix" top5 of 2019.
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=228083&r_order=year
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21.01.2020 - 15:52
Troy Killjoy
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Written by K|ng on 21.01.2020 at 12:47

New kid on the block.. He is trying to "fix" top5 of 2019.
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=228083&r_order=year

Deleted.
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10.02.2020 - 00:00
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Written by Nihil Aeternum on 25.09.2018 at 17:55

Typical account to vote albums additionally up and down, just used for voting (163 times 10, 44 times 1, 4 times in between to make it less obvious): http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=131981

Taken care of.


Written by Starvynth on 03.08.2019 at 23:25

Someone please check the IP's of these member profiles, it smells like a cluster of multiple accounts with partly identical ratings:
I, II, III, IV, V and VI.

Taken care of.


Written by Redel on 04.08.2019 at 00:33

Same user, multiple accounts (just compare the vote distributions across the albums):
(user addresses)

Taken care of.


Written by Nihil Aeternum on 09.09.2019 at 23:34

Http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=212576
has multiple accounts.

Taken care of.


Written by Risto on 12.02.2019 at 00:51

Http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=195506

Nothing wrong here.
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10.02.2020 - 13:27
Karlabos
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Some people really do take those ratings seriously heh?
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19.02.2020 - 13:13
K|ng
All top 20 of 2019 takes 1 except 2-3 albums.
http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=189480&r_order=year
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20.02.2020 - 03:18
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Written by K|ng on 19.02.2020 at 13:13

All top 20 of 2019 takes 1 except 2-3 albums.
http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=189480&r_order=year

Dealt with.
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24.02.2020 - 22:22
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Written by Karlabos on 10.02.2020 at 13:27

Some people really do take those ratings seriously heh?


Seriously enough that we should use them as finalists in the MSA's. Shocking, isn't it.
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26.04.2020 - 12:00
RaduP
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Does this count?
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26.04.2020 - 12:34
Starvynth
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Written by RaduP on 26.04.2020 at 12:00

Does this count?

Yes, I think so.
It's not too obvious because Birgit had already nuked each of his votes in January 2019. But it's the same old story again now, he's a notorious up-/downvoter I'd say.

10/10 for Belzebubs and 1/10 for Insomnium? That doesn't even make any sense whatsoever.
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04.05.2020 - 00:39
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Written by RaduP on 26.04.2020 at 12:00

Does this count?

Nuked and issued an official warning. Next time will remove his voting permissions since this isn't the first time it's been addressed.
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09.05.2020 - 22:36
JoHn Doe
Don't know if this was reported, but this guy
http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=189312
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10.05.2020 - 06:07
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Written by JoHn Doe on 09.05.2020 at 22:36

Don't know if this was reported, but this guy
http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=189312

Votes nuked again. Voting perms revoked. Had already warned him for vote abuse - he responded by casting over 500 1s. Good riddance.
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24.05.2020 - 07:11
metaladdicted
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=258345
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24.05.2020 - 10:57
nikarg
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Written by metaladdicted on 24.05.2020 at 07:11

http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=258345

Votes nuked.
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24.05.2020 - 12:44
nikarg
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Written by angel. on 24.05.2020 at 12:38

How does the vote abuse even work?

Rating everything with 1's and 10's, like there's nothing in between is the most obvious form of vote abuse. There are other more subtle forms and we tend to assess each case individually.
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07.06.2020 - 22:33
RaduP
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Does this count?
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07.06.2020 - 22:59
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Written by RaduP on 07.06.2020 at 22:33

Does this count?


For me, yes.
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08.06.2020 - 03:18
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Written by RaduP on 07.06.2020 at 22:33

Does this count?

Deleted and warned. I would consider it a direct manipulation of the 2020 top album charts.
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15.08.2020 - 14:30
Miohn
I was trying to discover some new music by looking into albums with high ratings. I started looking into the band The Elysian Fields, because all their albums were rated extremely high, and I have never heard of them... When listening to the band, I couldn't understand the high ratings. Then I started looking into the profiles giving the band 10's and I've found at least 7 accounts with no ratings, except all 10's for all albums by The Elisian Fields...
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15.08.2020 - 16:16
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Written by Miohn on 15.08.2020 at 14:30

I was trying to discover some new music by looking into albums with high ratings. I started looking into the band The Elysian Fields, because all their albums were rated extremely high, and I have never heard of them... When listening to the band, I couldn't understand the high ratings. Then I started looking into the profiles giving the band 10's and I've found at least 7 accounts with no ratings, except all 10's for all albums by The Elisian Fields...

I'm just leaving for work but will take care of this tonight.
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16.08.2020 - 06:27
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Written by Miohn on 15.08.2020 at 14:30

I've found at least 7 accounts with no ratings, except all 10's for all albums by The Elisian Fields...

Found those 7 plus 15 more. Lots of multiple accounts. All votes wiped and accounts banned. The ratings have dropped accordingly.
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16.08.2020 - 09:56
Miohn
Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.08.2020 at 06:27

Written by Miohn on 15.08.2020 at 14:30

I've found at least 7 accounts with no ratings, except all 10's for all albums by The Elisian Fields...

Found those 7 plus 15 more. Lots of multiple accounts. All votes wiped and accounts banned. The ratings have dropped accordingly.


Wow, thanks for keeping the data clean! That's a lot of accounts. Some people really have some dedication in their cheating, it seems
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26.10.2020 - 12:10
JoHn Doe
I'm suspecting this guy of rating abuse.
I could be wrong but it's strange. So many negative ratings, is he torturing himself with music he does not like?!
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=256034&r_order=rating
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26.10.2020 - 14:43
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Written by JoHn Doe on 26.10.2020 at 12:10

I'm suspecting this guy of rating abuse.
I could be wrong but it's strange. So many negative ratings, is he torturing himself with music he does not like?!
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=256034&r_order=rating

There are quite a few users here with similar voting patterns in terms of a low overall score but technically within the rules of casting enough of a wide spread for them to be acceptable.

It does seem disingenuous for someone to listen to so much music they don't like and is possibly a tactic to tank certain albums tactically to avoid being deleted, but unless we decide this style of voting violates the spirit of that feature, they're free to keep punishing their ears.

It's also likely to be an account made with a VPN after being previously nuked/warned/banned as I've been going through rating abusers. Some of them tuck tail and run to return later for the same purpose, but it isn't always so cut and dry proving it's a duplicate account.
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26.10.2020 - 14:50
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.10.2020 at 14:43

Written by JoHn Doe on 26.10.2020 at 12:10

I'm suspecting this guy of rating abuse.
I could be wrong but it's strange. So many negative ratings, is he torturing himself with music he does not like?!
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=256034&r_order=rating

There are quite a few users here with similar voting patterns in terms of a low overall score but technically within the rules of casting enough of a wide spread for them to be acceptable.

It does seem disingenuous for someone to listen to so much music they don't like and is possibly a tactic to tank certain albums tactically to avoid being deleted, but unless we decide this style of voting violates the spirit of that feature, they're free to keep punishing their ears.

It's also likely to be an account made with a VPN after being previously nuked/warned/banned as I've been going through rating abusers. Some of them tuck tail and run to return later for the same purpose, but it isn't always so cut and dry proving it's a duplicate account.


well then it can also mean he doesn't know how to rate then.
Even if let's say I dislike something, that does not mean I rate that album a 1 or a 2. I mean 3 already means "very bad", so I don't know what to say. It's weird. I was trying to see why some newly released albums have lower rating, so what do you know, it's this guy with a very low rating. He gave the new John Petrucci album a 1. WTf?! Even if anyone dislikes Petrucci's style of playing guitar, to say that is the worst thing ever, it's ridiculous.
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20.12.2020 - 13:38
Klauwier
I came across his ratings and he really dislikes some bands apparently.
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=197773
10 - 160 votes
9 - 1 vote
1 - 36 votes
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20.12.2020 - 15:55
nikarg
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Written by Klauwier on 20.12.2020 at 13:38

I came across his ratings and he really dislikes some bands apparently.
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=197773
10 - 160 votes
9 - 1 vote
1 - 36 votes

Dealt with. Thanks.
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24.12.2020 - 15:20
Klauwier
Can you check this one as well:
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=189542
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