Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
06.01.2012 - 03:10Rating: 7
Written by [user id=20536] on 06.01.2012 at 03:09 Haha, nice use of an image under the updated policy.
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Slayer666
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06.01.2012 - 10:37Rating: 7
Well, not exactly disappointed, but I did expect more after the brilliant first track (one of Alcest's best, by far).
I was sure I was going to be the only one defending this, but I just can't. Methinks I'd rate it even a half point lower, although the review itself is spot on.
I wonder if this is the consequence of Neige being a social butterfly on so many different projects...
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
06.01.2012 - 10:41Rating: 7
Written by Slayer666 on 06.01.2012 at 10:37 I wonder if this is the consequence of Neige being a social butterfly on so many different projects...
My thoughts exactly. Questions have already surfaced about his ability to focus on Alcest when contributing his efforts to so many different projects, and I think this album is a perfect example of how one can be spread like butter over too much bread.
It's great that he has so many ideas and wants to share them with the world, but patience is a virtue that Neige does not possess, and his music is suffering as a result. Rather than becoming the Korpiklaani of black metal, I'd recommend taking a rest before jumping at the next opportunity to come knocking.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
06.01.2012 - 11:51Rating: 6
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Written by BitterCOld on 05.01.2012 at 22:29
quality post
This is something everyone should read every once in a while. And I want to be ahead of the "well if you don't love reviewing to death and you think it's a chore, why are you doing it? it's not like this is your job" crowd, and I'm sure there would be one.
Not that the reviewers don't adore it. But there is something else in stake. I've only been a contributor/elite for two months, and I've reviewed 7 albums by request during that time, so I can't speak from personal experience. But dudes like Doc, BitterCold and Troy and others, who work closer with the labels or review more frequently, they receive fuckin' packages of stuff to go through. Sounds yay, lots and lots of new music?
Sure, there is a lot of good stuff there, as well as stuff you can practice your writing on, to make an interesting review out of a non-interesting album. But after years of doing it, it starts to get dull - there are those mediocre albums that you've literally heard a thousand times AND written about thousand times, but you're still expected to write a realistic and different description of some generic death metal every time. And there is the abysmal crap - the kind that you'll have to hear at least a couple of times while beating yourself in the head for not spending that time on school/work/family/pet/significant other/a book/a friend/whatever.
No one is forcing them to do it. They wouldn't be the first or the last staff member to retire. They're doing it because they see satisfaction in it, but there is a bad side to it. And when in the same month there is so much different stuff to be done around here - preparation of the Awards, the next issue of Clandestine Cuts, doing the database, doing those review requests AND reviews for albums you've heard and liked, proofing, modding, whatever the staff member in choice is doing - I don't think Troy should be blamed for doing a review in one day. He's a big boy and he knows when he's listened to enough of the album to form an opinion of it.
There's a lot of talk about how the staff team should respect the members more, but I think it goes the other way around as well. Try it before you judge is what BitterCold said and I agree with him.
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pisymbol
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Written by Milena on 06.01.2012 at 11:51
Written by BitterCOld on 05.01.2012 at 22:29
quality post
This is something everyone should read every once in a while. And I want to be ahead of the "well if you don't love reviewing to death and you think it's a chore, why are you doing it? it's not like this is your job" crowd, and I'm sure there would be one.
Not that the reviewers don't adore it. But there is something else in stake. I've only been a contributor/elite for two months, and I've reviewed 7 albums by request during that time, so I can't speak from personal experience. But dudes like Doc, BitterCold and Troy and others, who work closer with the labels or review more frequently, they receive fuckin' packages of stuff to go through. Sounds yay, lots and lots of new music?
Sure, there is a lot of good stuff there, as well as stuff you can practice your writing on, to make an interesting review out of a non-interesting album. But after years of doing it, it starts to get dull - there are those mediocre albums that you've literally heard a thousand times AND written about thousand times, but you're still expected to write a realistic and different description of some generic death metal every time. And there is the abysmal crap - the kind that you'll have to hear at least a couple of times while beating yourself in the head for not spending that time on school/work/family/pet/significant other/a book/a friend/whatever.
No one is forcing them to do it. They wouldn't be the first or the last staff member to retire. They're doing it because they see satisfaction in it, but there is a bad side to it. And when in the same month there is so much different stuff to be done around here - preparation of the Awards, the next issue of Clandestine Cuts, doing the database, doing those review requests AND reviews for albums you've heard and liked, proofing, modding, whatever the staff member in choice is doing - I don't think Troy should be blamed for doing a review in one day. He's a big boy and he knows when he's listened to enough of the album to form an opinion of it.
There's a lot of talk about how the staff team should respect the members more, but I think it goes the other way around as well. Try it before you judge is what BitterCold said and I agree with him.
To BitterCold, MoraWinterSoul, and Troy:
By no means was I insinuating Troy or any of the staffers are lazy or the job of a Metal Storm staffer doesn't require a lot of personal and professional sacrifice given the breadth of material you receive on a weekly basis. The sheer numbers BitterCold described are mind boggling. MoraWinterSoul's post above gives many of us an insight on what its like to review 'Lulu' over and over again. Talk about a real kill joy (sorry Troy, you are no 'Lulu' on repeat)!
What's interesting was my original point was not that Troy reviewed it too fast but the source material should be of a certain level of quality before a staffer reviews it. I stand by this belief and feel YouTube streams of new albums are not sufficient for a fair review.
Just to point out, BitterCold's wonderful post (sans capital letters?) tried to answer many of the classical philosophical questions regarding aesthetics: Can you form a legitimate (MS staffers are constantly on trial!) critique of a particular new art form (e.g. new heavy metal release, painting, book, air guitar move, etc.) after digesting it only once? Or does your opinion change significantly after re-interpreting a piece of art several times (in this case repeated listens)? Are these attributes always immediately self-evident in the material you are critiquing?
To the general reader, there are no right answers.
On a personal note, I thought the review was very well written (kudos Troy) and entertaining. I have however not even listened to this album fully to say whether I agree or disagree with its conclusion. I suppose I should listen to it and try Troy's shoes and review it (its on Spotify now yippee!).
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
06.01.2012 - 18:55Rating: 6
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Written by pisymbol on 06.01.2012 at 14:33
I stand by this belief and feel YouTube streams of new albums are not sufficient for a fair review.
I guess we misunderstood you then. But just for the record, a lot of official promos come to us with a quality much, much lower than that youtube stream. I was personally surprised to hear such a good quality recording on it, and I usually complain about the sound all the time... you can go to that stream and check but I don't think its quality is too low.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15288 |
06.01.2012 - 19:00Rating: 7
Written by pisymbol on 06.01.2012 at 14:33
What's interesting was my original point was not that Troy reviewed it too fast but the source material should be of a certain level of quality before a staffer reviews it. I stand by this belief and feel YouTube streams of new albums are not sufficient for a fair review.
in all honesty, youtube is actually preferable to some of the delivery vehicles i have received from labels before. a major (well, in the metal sense) label sent me a disk to review a couple years ago... back in '09. the "disk" took the 8 or 9 songs, 40 minutes of music and chopped it into an Anal Cunt-esque 99 tracks or something, with many of them as short as 7 or 8 seconds. one song might be spread over as many as 12 "tracks". trying to go back 30 seconds to check out a riff again was a nightmare. i liked the album but the review process was absolutely maddening.
so youtube is not optimal, and not something i'd use (i insist on disk if possible, else a legit download where 1 track is 1 track), but we've dealt with worse.
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pisymbol
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Written by BitterCOld on 06.01.2012 at 19:00
Written by pisymbol on 06.01.2012 at 14:33
What's interesting was my original point was not that Troy reviewed it too fast but the source material should be of a certain level of quality before a staffer reviews it. I stand by this belief and feel YouTube streams of new albums are not sufficient for a fair review.
in all honesty, youtube is actually preferable to some of the delivery vehicles i have received from labels before. a major (well, in the metal sense) label sent me a disk to review a couple years ago... back in '09. the "disk" took the 8 or 9 songs, 40 minutes of music and chopped it into an Anal Cunt-esque 99 tracks or something, with many of them as short as 7 or 8 seconds. one song might be spread over as many as 12 "tracks". trying to go back 30 seconds to check out a riff again was a nightmare. i liked the album but the review process was absolutely maddening.
so youtube is not optimal, and not something i'd use (i insist on disk if possible, else a legit download where 1 track is 1 track), but we've dealt with worse.
Wow. Any idea on why they do this? I mean c'mon....
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15288 |
06.01.2012 - 21:57Rating: 7
Written by pisymbol on 06.01.2012 at 21:30
Wow. Any idea on why they do this? I mean c'mon....
to prevent piracy/leaking it, i think. but if you trust a webzine/magazine to review it you should trust their integrity not to put it up online for all.
back to topic, it's on Spotify, the first entry in my 2012 playlist. look forward to checking it out.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
06.01.2012 - 23:24Rating: 7
Written by pisymbol on 06.01.2012 at 14:33 What's interesting was my original point was not that Troy reviewed it too fast but the source material should be of a certain level of quality before a staffer reviews it. I stand by this belief and feel YouTube streams of new albums are not sufficient for a fair review.
Well I can honestly say I understand where you're coming from and I'm sorry for overlooking that aspect in your initial post. I was too focused on people calling me out for reviewing it too quickly, when in reality I did absolutely nothing different from my usual routine (although sometimes, admittedly, it takes me more than a day of a handful of listens to digest something).
In my defense, the upload was official, band-sanctioned, and the quality was good to my ears. If it had sounded like it was recorded in a basement I would have waited another week to get a quality rip. However, as stated in my review, the production is actually above-average. And it's true about what others say about .mp3 format. To this day, the only reviews I've done of actual physical CDs, were the ones sent by Temple of Torturous. The rest are all .mp3 files.
If the quality of an upload (such as one via Youtube) feels in any way sub-standard, I take no issue with awaiting a more legitimate version. But this stream sounded legitimate to me, so I had no problems with writing about it.
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The Voyages Of Lame. Awesome album title.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
07.01.2012 - 05:58Rating: 7
Written by [user id=111774] on 07.01.2012 at 05:54 The Voyages Of Lame. Awesome album title.
That joke is becoming worn thin, much like Neige.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.01.2012 at 05:58
Written by [user id=111774] on 07.01.2012 at 05:54 The Voyages Of Lame. Awesome album title.
That joke is becoming worn thin, much like Neige.
I actually never saw the joke before. Thought I was being original.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
07.01.2012 - 06:09Rating: 7
Written by [user id=111774] on 07.01.2012 at 06:06 I actually never saw the joke before. Thought I was being original.
The post that started the joke:
Written by Fat & Sassy! on 06.08.2011 at 00:17 The Voyage of Lame? D:
(Sorry for the quote, dude.)
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
08.01.2012 - 00:59Rating: 6
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.01.2012 at 05:58
That joke is becoming worn thin, much like Neige.
Neige is indeed a very thin and graceful man.
(was there something about "quality of posts" in the FAQ regarding the people who have an Elite status? )
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
08.01.2012 - 01:09Rating: 7
Written by Milena on 08.01.2012 at 00:59 (was there something about "quality of posts" in the FAQ regarding the people who have an Elite status? )
I'm assuming no, because I'm a Staff member and my posts still aren't worth a dime.
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-DC-002- Mastercommander
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Guhh.. I have the first two albums and they never impressed me to much. I appreciate where, Neige is coming from, but goddamn! The musics just too thin and floaty for me. If I had heard this stuff a handful of years ago, not being aware of other better bands of the associated genres, I would have probably shit my pants from their awesomeness or something like that... But alas, the old world will burn in the fires of industry.
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08.01.2012 - 13:30Rating: 8
Written by -DC-002- on 08.01.2012 at 13:17
Guhh.. I have the first two albums and they never impressed me to much. I appreciate where, Neige is coming from, but goddamn! The musics just too thin and floaty for me. If I had heard this stuff a handful of years ago, not being aware of other better bands of the associated genres, I would have probably shit my pants from their awesomeness or something like that... But alas, the old world will burn in the fires of industry.
I think that Alcest is still the best in this particular style, even after this somehow disappointing release
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I've only given a few spins but so far this sounds very "meh" to me. I am a complete outsider to Black Metal and Shoegaze but I thought Lune was a great album from start to end, I can't say the same for Voyages though. It has its moments, and like the reviewer said its a lot lighter than before. To me it felt like I was listening to the B side of a Novembre album.
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Written by [user id=111774] on 07.01.2012 at 05:54
The Voyages Of Lame. Awesome album title.
The Voyages of the Soul. Connard.
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Justicelust
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12.01.2012 - 18:08Rating: 9
Good review, but I don't agree with the bad sides of this album written by troy. I think perfection is this album, I really enjoyed it. I wish Alcest stay like this, they became on of my favorite bands after this album, I just can't stop listening.
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13.01.2012 - 18:09Rating: 6
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Written by 4look4rd on 11.01.2012 at 02:57
To me it felt like I was listening to the B side of a Novembre album.
Congrats, you just found one of the things I was going to say too
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19.02.2012 - 14:52Rating: 7
I bought this album yesterday along with ASP's Hate, Malice, Revenge yesterday in a local store.
Hmm I dunno what to think. I listened to most of this album before on Youtube so it didnt really come as a surprise. I agree with people who say it lacks a bit of sincerity and atmosphere compared to his previous stuff, however I do not think the drop in quality is THAT huge as some people make it to be, but definitely noticeable. Still, it has highlights, like Lá Oú Naissent Les Couleurs Nouvelles which I'd say is up to par with the quality of Écailles.
I also agree with people who say that this album is in fact, very well written, despite the shortcomings in atmposphere, which just makes those more saddening to hear.
I was a bit hesitating between 7 and 8 but Lá Oú... pulled it closer to a 8 so I gave it that.
As a side note, I don't know how are the other albums (sadly I do not physically own any of them, they are pretty hard to come by where I live) but I expected some gorgeous artworks to be found in the booklet, but I was disappointed, the booklet contained pages with the same colour and patterns without any variation and did not contain anything besides the lyrics.
Which means ASP pretty much outdid Alcest in this regard, and I'd say it is a bit 'wrong' for a deathcore band to out-artwork a band of Alcest's style.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18374 |
19.02.2012 - 16:38Rating: 7
Written by Uldreth on 19.02.2012 at 14:52 As a side note, I don't know how are the other albums (sadly I do not physically own any of them, they are pretty hard to come by where I live) but I expected some gorgeous artworks to be found in the booklet, but I was disappointed, the booklet contained pages with the same colour and patterns without any variation and did not contain anything besides the lyrics.
Which means ASP pretty much outdid Alcest in this regard, and I'd say it is a bit 'wrong' for a deathcore band to out-artwork a band of Alcest's style.
Souvenirs d'Un Autre Monde has some cute nature pics but nothing too fancy. Écailles De Lune has just some line patterns scattered here and there in the pages... then again, the artwork is already gorgeous so I don't mind... Also, I own the box version and that is already a win.
The latest version of Le Secret has the best booklet imo. SPECIALLY the digibook version which I honestly think it's gorgeous, many beautiful pics. Some pages about Niege talking about the formation of the band and about the EP, the lyrics AND translations of those two songs. Good stuff.
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19.02.2012 - 21:49Rating: 7
Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.02.2012 at 16:38
Souvenirs d'Un Autre Monde has some cute nature pics but nothing too fancy. Écailles De Lune has just some line patterns scattered here and there in the pages... then again, the artwork is already gorgeous so I don't mind... Also, I own the box version and that is already a win.
The latest version of Le Secret has the best booklet imo. SPECIALLY the digibook version which I honestly think it's gorgeous, many beautiful pics. Some pages about Niege talking about the formation of the band and about the EP, the lyrics AND translations of those two songs. Good stuff.
Heh. One more reason for me to pick up Le Secret, though the chances of finding an EP from a (relatively) obscure band like Alcest (okay, it isn't obscure but outside the mainstream enough) in a local store is about zero. I guess I should try to order it or something. Looks like the digibook version isnt even that expensive compared to the normal. Full of win.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18374 |
19.02.2012 - 21:53Rating: 7
Written by Uldreth on 19.02.2012 at 21:49 Heh. One more reason for me to pick up Le Secret, though the chances of finding an EP from a (relatively) obscure band like Alcest (okay, it isn't obscure but outside the mainstream enough) in a local store is about zero. I guess I should try to order it or something. Looks like the digibook version isnt even that expensive compared to the normal. Full of win.
Just in case I wasn't specific enough: I'm just talking about the 2011 re-release of the EP, not the original one
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19.02.2012 - 22:08Rating: 7
Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.02.2012 at 21:53
Written by Uldreth on 19.02.2012 at 21:49 Heh. One more reason for me to pick up Le Secret, though the chances of finding an EP from a (relatively) obscure band like Alcest (okay, it isn't obscure but outside the mainstream enough) in a local store is about zero. I guess I should try to order it or something. Looks like the digibook version isnt even that expensive compared to the normal. Full of win.
Just in case I wasn't specific enough: I'm just talking about the 2011 re-release of the EP, not the original one
Yeh I guessed that, I don't think the original one is even being manufactured anymore since then the band wasn't signed to Prophecy. Plus there is that rambling about it in its topic that how expensive it is to get a hold of a copy of that.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
07.03.2012 - 05:04Rating: 7
There was someone commenting in this thread a while back saying I should've listened to it more and I said I would, posting my opinion after doing so to see if it had changed.
After like... two months, I'd actually probably drop it to a 7.3.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
07.03.2012 - 05:15Rating: 7
Written by Cock is Intruder on 07.03.2012 at 05:10 Why there was a news saying that you were dead in Austria ?
(Not that it's related to the review...)
It was a hoax website (as indicated by the fine print at the bottom). Joe was just having some fun with people inquiring about my absence.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18374 |
07.03.2012 - 11:27Rating: 7
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