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ToMegaTherion

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From: Australia

  08.10.2009 at 02:08
Ok just an interesting idea that I have been trying to work out for some time now. The idea first came to me when I was listening to a Megadeth song a while ago called "Something I'm Not" in which the lyric says: "You didn't ever make metal buddy, metal made you!" Ok I fairly certain that this song is an indirect dig at Metallica, but I don't want this to turn into that. Instead I want to know what you guys think.

Does the genre make the musician, or does the musician make the genre?
Explain your answer and why you think that, offer examples, and feel free to debate and reason with eachother.

It is my belief that it is a complex issue that depends on the band, some bands make the music others are made by it by simply being good at what they do. Iron Maiden are an interesting case where they have the best of both fields, by inventing their own style, in which the metal circles then in turn made them the huge success that they became. Metallica was the same until the nineties when they abandoned the fans that made them famous in the first place.
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  08.10.2009 at 07:34
This is something pretty relative like you say, varying from band to band and musician to musician, and at the same time complicated because of that. For that reason I don't have any definite answer. It could also depend on the time of the band. For example, the first bands from any given metal sub-genre could be said that were made by the musician. A band came up with something new, created an original sound and a new sub-genre started raising (yeh, I know this is pretty inaccurate, but I'm just trying to give a general line). But then, when that genre was already there, the bands that came after it, and their musicians, could be said that were "made" by the genre.
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K†ulu
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  08.10.2009 at 08:52
So "dose" is the Australian way of spelling "does" or all those are typos?
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Marcel Hubregtse
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  08.10.2009 at 09:29
Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 08:52

So "dose" is the Australian way of spelling "does" or all those are typos?


What are you talking about?
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K†ulu
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  08.10.2009 at 09:43
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.10.2009 at 09:29

Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 08:52

So "dose" is the Australian way of spelling "does" or all those are typos?


What are you talking about?

Well, the guy spelled it the same way in the opening post as well... totally weird for me to see something like that.
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Savor what you feel and what you see
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But may be tomorrow

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Marcel Hubregtse
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Age: 46
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  08.10.2009 at 09:53
Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 09:43


Well, the guy spelled it the same way in the opening post as well...


No, he didn't
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Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal

Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight
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K†ulu
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Age: 26
From: Czech Republic

  08.10.2009 at 10:07
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.10.2009 at 09:53

Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 09:43


Well, the guy spelled it the same way in the opening post as well...


No, he didn't


The trick is getting old. I expected that...
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Savor what you feel and what you see
Things that may not seem important now
But may be tomorrow

R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner

Satan was a Backstreet Boy
Marcel Hubregtse
Grumpy Fuck

Posts: 36419

Age: 46
From: The Netherlands

  08.10.2009 at 10:15
Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 10:07

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.10.2009 at 09:53

Written by K†ulu on 08.10.2009 at 09:43


Well, the guy spelled it the same way in the opening post as well...


No, he didn't


The trick is getting old. I expected that...


As you can guess I am totally bored at work
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Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal

Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight
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ToMegaTherion

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Age: 27
From: Australia

  10.10.2009 at 05:25
my bad on the typo's, im usually just write the thing while im thinking about writing a 3000 word essey and don't really pay attention to my spelling on ms. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
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- Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of man, even
when nature has long emancipated them from devine guidance (naturaliter
maiorennes), nevertheless gladly remain enslaved for life.-
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Age: 20
From: UK

  22.11.2009 at 22:55
I'm not sure..........

As the musician is influenced by the bands he/she hears/likes/ seen live (in my case anyway) but the music can influence the musician as I discovered when writing music (when I started) I was listening to a lot of punk at the time and it all came out punkish anyway, but now I've been listening to metal my music and lyrics have started changing...

Just my two cents.
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Kalt.Dunkelheit

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From: Iran

  02.12.2009 at 13:48
I think both are possible. It's not like we talk about "Was there a hen first or an egg?" It's very complicated.Many musician make a genre like you said,that's a clear example for "Musicians make the music"
On the other side there are many Musician inspired by some Music and when it comes to compose a song, that Musics inspire their pieces of art too. Many musician know that their Art is inspired by other musics,while many don't know.

It's a tough topic to talk about,but the clear thing is that we neither can say "Just Musicians make the music" nor can we say "Just Music make the musicians"

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