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The idea for this list was given to me by mz when I expressed that I was more excited about Blut Aus Nord's upcoming Memoria Vetusta III than their Debemur MoRTi EP. As he said: "You are known as a person with intense love for experimental/avantgarde black metal and everyone by default expects you to love a MoRT-like album more that what is probably going to be a not-so-original-melodic black metal album." While I do prefer experimental metal, and tend to lean more towards black and doom, there are plenty of more orthodox and classic releases outside of these confines that I love as well, some of which are true guilty pleasure albums. I decided to throw in some non-MS albums as well, to show that my tastes definitely aren't limited to metal. In no particular order, we have...

Created by: Apothecary | 24.01.2014



1. Pantera - Vulgar Display Of Power
I first got into metal around the time that I was 11, introduced to it by my older cousin. Pantera were his favorite band, and this was thus THE first metal album I ever heard. Groovy, in your face, and still one of my favorites to this day.
2. Marilyn Manson - Portrait Of An American Family
Say what you want about the guy today, but the fact of the matter is that back in the early 90s, he was pretty much the bastard child of Alice Cooper. Great industrial metal that gave a huge middle finger to American society and scared the shit out of parents for years to come. Part of the lyrics for My Monkey are even taken from a Charles Manson song. Need I say more?
3. White Zombie - Astro Creep: 2000 - Songs Of Love, Destruction And Other Synthetic Delusions Of The Electric Head
Another great industrial release, this album is a true gift for fans of all things horror and sci fi. A ton of memorable riffs, and one of my favorite albums in terms of audio samples.
4. Strapping Young Lad - Alien
Can I get away with one more industrial album? Most people prefer City, but I think Alien has a bit more randomized and angry songwriting that better reflects Devy's personality (I believe he actually stopped taking his bipolar meds for its recording). One of my absolute favorite albums to listen to when I'm pissed off and just need to let the fury out.
5. Testament - The Ritual
This album gets a lot more shit than it deserves. When I was getting into thrash, this was one of the first releases I listened to that had a more melodic, relaxing side to it, and showed me that the genre wasn't just all about macho fury. It also made me happy because you can tell here that this wasn't a band softening up their sound for mainstream attention: they were trying new things.
6. Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine
I do like bands that go political every now and then, and this is one of the best albums in that area. Great synthesis of metal with some funk and rap elements, and a ton of memorable lines.
7. Municipal Waste - The Art Of Partying
This album is about as cliche as thrash metal can get. But hey: it's violent, fun, and it sure is a better fusion of metal and punk than your average shitty metalcore band.
8. Rainbow - Long Live Rock 'N' Roll
The best band Dio was ever in, in my opinion. His fantasy-inspired lyrics fit perfectly with Blackmore's neoclassical playing style, and created a good union that was never again matched. Favorite album of theirs. I mean, Gates Of Babylon. And Lady Of The Lake. And Kill The King. And, and and...
9. Voivod - Nothingface
Maybe not that much of a surprise, because anyone who knows me well should know I'm a total sci fi slut. Spacey thrash, the natural forefathers of Vektor. Cool shit.
10. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black
One of the few prog metal albums I actually really, REALLY enjoy. Great work from Warrel Dane and Jeff Loomis as usual, and has a really interesting concept behind it (a past girlfriend of Warrel Dane joined a cult and he never saw her again).
11. Therion - Theli
I don't enjoy that much symphonic metal, but this album has a dark and almost Gothic air about it that makes it a bit more ensnaring for me than most other bands within the genre. Nightside Of Eden is especially good.
12. Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Violent thrash with an aggressive political theme can be very fun in its proper context, and this is certainly one of the best albums within such a style. Groovy and hard-hitting, with a brutally honest description of life in L.A. in the early 90s. Also one of my favorite albums to work out to.
13. Obituary - Cause Of Death
One of the best classic death metal albums, in part because of the diversity between aggressive cuts and some slow, heavier tracks. A perfect album to prove those who think the genre's all about no-holds-barred speed wrong.
14. Blind Guardian - Nightfall In Middle-Earth
Epic Tolkien-themed power metal, with more of a focus on The Silmarillion than the actual LOTR trilogy? Yes please. On a rare day, you may have the opportunity to catch me in my battle armor singing along to Mirror Mirror.
15. Twisted Tower Dire - Crest Of The Martyrs
Definitely a guilty pleasure album. About as cheesy as cheesy power metal gets, but the levels of epic and catchy here rival those of Iron Maiden, and who doesn't like a little cheese every now and then?
16. Black Sabbath - Born Again
Another album where I can't understand why it gets as much shit as it does. As much as I love Dio-era Sabbath, Ian Gillian was honestly a much better fit than he was, and the tracks on here sound a lot closer to original Sabbath than stuff from Heaven And Hell and Mob Rules did. Seriously a shame that this was the only release to come from the collaboration.
17. Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
Definitely one of the pinnacles of jazz fusion. Funky, intricate, and a bit psychedelic all at the same time. Hip hop artists would use samples from this album for generations to come.
18. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Another top-of-the-game jazz fusion release, highlighted by the title track, nearly 30 minutes of straight jammy improv
19. Frank Zappa - Apostrophe
How can anyone not like Zappa? Amazingly versatile, multi-instrumentalist, with a bizarre humor that can only be recognized as his own. One hell of a fun album
20. Van Der Graaf Generator - H To He Who Am The Only One
Unfortunately Van Der Graaf aren't typically held in as high regard as Pink Floyd, Yes, and King Crimson (no clue why). Highly intricate, but not to the point of being uninviting. Very warm, relaxing, and melodic, no doubt helped by the stunning vocal work of the one and only Peter Hammil. True prog rock gem.
21. Grateful Dead - Anthem Of The Sun
This album was trippy before "trippy" became ironic. 1967, Summer Of Love, hippies, all that good stuff. Doesn't get more psychedelic than this.
22. Samsara Blues Experiment - Long Distant Trip
One of the best albums within the recent acid rock revival movement
23. Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Widely held as one of the best hip hop albums of the 00's, MCs Vast Aire and Vordul Mega paint a gritty picture of New York City life, with a strong "ghost in the shell" type of theme. Dirty, clever, and dangerously formidable.
24. Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
An alternate persona of Kool Keith, this album is the epitome of fun, goofy hip hop, with a strong sci fi theme sure to delight nerds. Funky beats provided by the one and only Dan The Automator, the same producer behind the Deltron 3030 debut.
25. Devin Townsend - Ziltoid The Omniscient
Seriously, I think it's impossible for anyone to not enjoy the musicianship and humor behind this album, unless you're an old grumpy conservative with back problems who's on 15 different types of medication or something like that
26. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
I do really, REALLY enjoy early grunge, before the genre got popularized and degenerated into commercial radio rock. I guess part of the reason I like this one so much is because of its slight stoner similarities. Really fun, groovy release. And the vocals of Chris Cornell? Enough said.
27. Meshuggah - Nothing
Irony: I can't stand djent, but I love Meshuggah. Well, the band were never really djent in themselves anyway, even though they may've coined future characteristics of the genre. Interesting rhythms going on here: simple, but somehow suggestive of a grander theme in their "less is more" type of delivery. The lyrics are always some cool stuff to contemplate as well
28. Korn - See You On The Other Side
Yeah, that's right. Slap me, call it terrible, whatever, but back in the day this was a totally fun and exciting album for me, and pretty good party music as well. It's one of those types of releases that you grew up with that never quite leaves you, even though as you get older you find a ton of better stuff that comparatively makes it look like shit.



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Fearmeister - 25.01.2014 at 00:24  
Fucking love The Ritual. No idea why people don't like this album as much
Apothecary - 25.01.2014 at 02:53  
Written by Guest on 25.01.2014 at 00:13

Huge list i cant reach the end :S

Lol I just started this today, I'm actually surprised people are commenting on it already
deadone - 28.01.2014 at 01:48  
There's some excellent stuff on this list.

In fact the only one I'd think is poor is the SYL one.

And no idea about why people don't like Ritual by Testament - superb album indeed!
Apothecary - 30.01.2014 at 03:39  
Written by Fearmeister on 25.01.2014 at 00:24

Fucking love The Ritual. No idea why people don't like this album as much

Just more of that "might makes right" elitist thrash bullshit
deadone - 30.01.2014 at 05:47  
I never understood the elitist thrash mentality. I mean why would I want every Thrash album to essentially sound the same?

I think that's a big problem with these new wave of Thrashers. Too stuck in tradition without a willingness to explore the genre.
Apothecary - 30.01.2014 at 06:15  
Written by deadone on 30.01.2014 at 05:47

I never understood the elitist thrash mentality. I mean why would I want every Thrash album to essentially sound the same?

I think that's a big problem with these new wave of Thrashers. Too stuck in tradition without a willingness to explore the genre.

Which is why I prefer black and doom for the greater degree of variation that exists within them. Having said that though, there are a few of the retro thrash bands I do really enjoy, Skeletonwitch and Vektor in particular.
Lit. - 30.01.2014 at 06:26  
^
>Implies there was actually variation in the original thrash wave.
deadone - 30.01.2014 at 06:41  
Written by Lit. on 30.01.2014 at 06:26

^
>Implies there was actually variation in the original thrash wave.



Sure there was variation in original Thrash wave.

Compare even the Big 4 of Thrash - each was quite different.

And then throw in Teutonic Thrash, Crossover, Groove etc as well as wierder stuff ala Celtic Frost and Bathory circa Blood Fire Death as well as "Thrashened" Heavy Metal ala Metal Church.
Apothecary - 30.01.2014 at 06:43  
Written by Lit. on 30.01.2014 at 06:26

>Implies there was actually variation in the original thrash wave.

More so in lyrical theme than musical delivery, but there were certainly differences in sound between the various scenes, even if they were subtle. Today it seems as if the large majority of thrash bands seek to either imitate Bay Area Thrash, or early extreme metal like Celtic Frost, Venom, and Possessed. There's not much branching off from there.
Lit. - 30.01.2014 at 07:27  
Written by deadone on 30.01.2014 at 06:41

And then throw in Teutonic Thrash, Crossover, Groove etc as well as wierder stuff ala Celtic Frost and Bathory circa Blood Fire Death as well as "Thrashened" Heavy Metal ala Metal Church.

Obviously they were different between subgenres, but within their own they were almost as bad as death metal in terms of the being and playing same thing over and over again. At least in thrash, vocals stood out instead of being dime-a-dozen death growls.

Written by Apothecary on 30.01.2014 at 06:43

More so in lyrical theme than musical delivery, but there were certainly differences in sound between the various scenes, even if they were subtle. Today it seems as if the large majority of thrash bands seek to either imitate Bay Area Thrash, or early extreme metal like Celtic Frost, Venom, and Possessed. There's not much branching off from there.

Pretty sure the lyrical themes in thrash could be found in many other metal subgenres, so not much distinction there.

At any rate, it probably had to be an experience thing, because I find myself less and less enamored with the old thrash metal like the Bay Area or Teutonic that every metalhead worth his long hair seems to get wet over and moreso with the new stuff gathering around my time that I can actually experience like Toxic Holocaust, Skeletonwitch, Vektor (or at least the old shit doing good new stuff like Overkill, Onslaught and Death Angel).

Hell, maybe thrash just isn't my thing, or maybe people overrate the undead hell out of that genre.

But I shouldn't be discussing this here. I'll take attention away from Apothecary's list.
deadone - 30.01.2014 at 07:50  
Written by Lit. on 30.01.2014 at 07:27

Obviously they were different between subgenres, but within their own they were almost as bad as death metal in terms of the being and playing same thing over and over again. At least in thrash, vocals stood out instead of being dime-a-dozen death growls.


Not going to to deny that.

But I think every genre is the same, especially when bands adhere to formulas.

People talk about Black Metal being diverse but how many bands are just third rate Dark Throne clones?
mz - 30.01.2014 at 08:38  
Many albums on this list that I haven't heard yet, but I do like "Marilyn Manson - Portrait Of An American Family", "Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine" and "Voivod - Notnhingface".
Also, personally, I surprised people by saying that I love system of a down, fair to midland and shaolin death squad, swallow the sun ,Rammstein, draconian and of course Eminem D:

Finally, thanks for spreading my name that's quiet an achievement for me.
Daniell - 30.01.2014 at 09:35  
In my opinion, the only album that should not be on your list is The Ritual. What a load of boring bullshit this album is. Other than that, there's nothing to be ashamed of there
JohnDoe - 30.01.2014 at 10:08  
Nice to see someone appreciating Testament's The Ritual.

The albums by Rainbow and Therion mentioned here are awesome!
I would be surprissed if you liked a JLT Rainbow album , not a Dio one.

Those Voivod, RATM and Nevermore albums are great, too. No surprise there.
Marcel Hubregtse - 30.01.2014 at 16:32  
Written by Daniell on 30.01.2014 at 09:35

In my opinion, the only album that should not be on your list is The Ritual. What a load of boring bullshit this album is. Other than that, there's nothing to be ashamed of there



You know my opinion on Testament. SO, I will not repeat your words
Apothecary - 30.01.2014 at 16:47  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.01.2014 at 16:32

Written by Daniell on 30.01.2014 at 09:35

In my opinion, the only album that should not be on your list is The Ritual. What a load of boring bullshit this album is. Other than that, there's nothing to be ashamed of there

You know my opinion on Testament. SO, I will not repeat your words

Hatas gonna hate
Apothecary - 30.01.2014 at 16:52  
Written by mz on 30.01.2014 at 08:38

Also, personally, I surprised people by saying that I love system of a down, fair to midland and shaolin death squad, swallow the sun ,Rammstein, draconian and of course Eminem D:

Haven't listened much to the other groups, but Eminem's older stuff with the off the wall humor (Slim Shady LP, The Eminem Show) is undoubtedly classic. Grew up hearing a lot of it on my bus in elementary school, so it'll always have a particular sticking with me.
Marcel Hubregtse - 30.01.2014 at 17:00  
Written by Apothecary on 30.01.2014 at 16:47


Hatas gonna hate


Lovas gonna love
Monolithic - 30.01.2014 at 21:02  
I don't know why but something kept telling me to expect "Testament - The Gathering" here.
Erik M. - 31.01.2014 at 22:13  
Written by mz on 30.01.2014 at 08:38

and of course Eminem D:


Huh, how so? Why do I suddenly see so many people mentioning Eminem? Hell, I used to be a fan of Eminem 12-14 years ago when I was in high school, but I've far outgrown that kind of music. I can't listen to it anymore. I checked it out today and it honestly annoys the living hell out of me. The constant rapping (which is annoying in itself) at such a high pace gets me extremely worked up meaning I can't relax at all. All I'm having is thoughts like "Jesus H. Christ, slow the fuck down!" and "stop rapping for one goddamn second!". Note that I'm not saying it's bad or anything, but it's just music I really, really dislike (mildly put ).
deadone - 03.02.2014 at 02:25  
Written by Erik M. on 31.01.2014 at 22:13

"stop rapping"


Just this.

And it should be applied to all rappers.
Troy Killjoy - 03.02.2014 at 03:02  
Always a joy to see the more open-minded Metal Storm users congregating...
deadone - 03.02.2014 at 03:17  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 03.02.2014 at 03:02

Always a joy to see the more open-minded Metal Storm users congregating...


I'm open minded enough to consider Billy Joel's Piano Man as one of my favourite songs and think Robbie William's "Live At The Albert" is one of the best musical DVDs of all time.

But I can't stand rap.



Brilliant stuff!
Apothecary - 03.02.2014 at 05:05  
Written by deadone on 03.02.2014 at 02:25

Written by Erik M. on 31.01.2014 at 22:13

"stop rapping"


Just this.

And it should be applied to all rappers.

A very ignorant statement, because if you dig deep into underground hip hop you'll discover that the genre is not at all dead, and that there are PLENTY of rappers out there who do not at all go out for the bullshit money/cars/bitches theme. And I can prove it to you with a few recommendations, if you'd like
deadone - 03.02.2014 at 05:09  
Written by Apothecary on 03.02.2014 at 05:05

A very ignorant statement, because if you dig deep into underground hip hop you'll discover that the genre is not at all dead, and that there are PLENTY of rappers out there who do not at all go out for the bullshit money/cars/bitches theme. And I can prove it to you with a few recommendations, if you'd like


Ah you misunderstand me, amigo. I don't like rap per se (other than maybe a couple of 1980s and very early 90s songs but I don't go out of my way to listen to them).
Apothecary - 03.02.2014 at 05:18  
Written by deadone on 03.02.2014 at 05:09

Ah you misunderstand me, amigo. I don't like rap per se (other than maybe a couple of 1980s and very early 90s songs but I don't go out of my way to listen to them).

Well still, come to me for some recs if you'd like. I think I might even put a link to an indie rap Youtube playlist of mine as my signature for the forums. It's good to turn people onto non-metal music every now and then, because talent can manifest itself in many ways
mz - 03.02.2014 at 16:37  
Written by Erik M. on 31.01.2014 at 22:13

Huh, how so? Why do I suddenly see so many people mentioning Eminem? Hell, I used to be a fan of Eminem 12-14 years ago when I was in high school, but I've far outgrown that kind of music. I can't listen to it anymore. I checked it out today and it honestly annoys the living hell out of me. The constant rapping (which is annoying in itself) at such a high pace gets me extremely worked up meaning I can't relax at all. All I'm having is thoughts like "Jesus H. Christ, slow the fuck down!" and "stop rapping for one goddamn second!". Note that I'm not saying it's bad or anything, but it's just music I really, really dislike (mildly put ).

I forgot to have a reply on this. All I can say is that I like Eminem very much and actually should go for his entire discography soon enough. I'm not much deep into rap, which is a shame. Most of rap stuff I hear impress me in a good way.
I wish I had enough time for rap but unfortunately, I'm bombarded with metal music right now. I'll go deeper into rap as soon as possible.
Also, I've seem a rapper that is probably two time faster than Eminem in terms of "constant rapping". Will try to find it for ya
mz - 03.02.2014 at 16:38  
Written by Apothecary on 03.02.2014 at 05:05

And I can prove it to you with a few recommendations, if you'd like

prove it to me please
Apothecary - 03.02.2014 at 16:47  
Written by mz on 03.02.2014 at 16:38

Written by Apothecary on 03.02.2014 at 05:05

And I can prove it to you with a few recommendations, if you'd like

prove it to me please

Start off with...

1. Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
2. El-P - Fantastic Damage
3. Illogic - Celestial Clockwork

Three underground classics right there, feel free to let me know what you think if you do check em out
Jiri - 03.02.2014 at 17:00  
Being a huge Pantera and Manson fan, Jiri respects this list. +1.
Erik M. - 03.02.2014 at 17:41  
Written by deadone on 03.02.2014 at 02:25

Just this.

And it should be applied to all rappers.


Erik M. - 03.02.2014 at 17:43  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 03.02.2014 at 03:02

Always a joy to see the more open-minded Metal Storm users congregating...


As I said, I used to listen to rap such as Eminem. Then I loved it, now I hate it. Hating rap doesn't make me close-minded though.
Erik M. - 03.02.2014 at 17:46  
Written by Apothecary on 03.02.2014 at 05:05

A very ignorant statement, because if you dig deep into underground hip hop you'll discover that the genre is not at all dead, and that there are PLENTY of rappers out there who do not at all go out for the bullshit money/cars/bitches theme. And I can prove it to you with a few recommendations, if you'd like


I would never say rap is dead. I just hate the genre as I generally can't stand the vocals (rapping) itself. Not to mention there's not a single thing about the music that appeals to me. The image, themes, "music", lyrics etc. don't appeal to me at all.
Erik M. - 03.02.2014 at 17:47  
Written by mz on 03.02.2014 at 16:37

Also, I've seem a rapper that is probably two time faster than Eminem in terms of "constant rapping". Will try to find it for ya


Please don't.
Apothecary - 03.02.2014 at 18:06  
Written by Erik M. on 03.02.2014 at 17:46

I would never say rap is dead. I just hate the genre as I generally can't stand the vocals (rapping) itself. Not to mention there's not a single thing about the music that appeals to me. The image, themes, "music", lyrics etc. don't appeal to me at all.

Understandable, that's pretty much my relationship with country
Erik M. - 03.02.2014 at 20:59  
Written by Apothecary on 03.02.2014 at 18:06

Understandable, that's pretty much my relationship with country


Even though I'm not a fan of country music (no surprises here ), I can tolerate it more than rap.
!J.O.O.E.! - 03.02.2014 at 21:52  
Written by Erik M. on 03.02.2014 at 17:46

I would never say rap is dead. I just hate the genre as I generally can't stand the vocals (rapping) itself. Not to mention there's not a single thing about the music that appeals to me. The image, themes, "music", lyrics etc. don't appeal to me at all.

You should try dälek (industrial hip-hop) or DJ Shadow (basically instrumental hip-hop). Might change your perspective of the genre a little.
mz - 03.02.2014 at 22:28  
I'd definitely say that dalek are great. Not familiar with DJ Shadow, though.
!J.O.O.E.! - 03.02.2014 at 22:29  
Written by mz on 03.02.2014 at 22:28

I'd definitely say that dalek are great. Not familiar with DJ Shadow, though.

Amazing album. Great if you don't like hip-hop style vocals.

mz - 03.02.2014 at 22:31  
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 03.02.2014 at 22:29

Amazing album. Great if you don't like hip-hop style vocals.



woow that reply was so fast
Give me time and I'll check that, too
tnx
Karlabos - 03.02.2014 at 22:58  
Still on the hip hop subject, there's Buck 65 which is sort of a "hip-hop with country influences" or something. Very good.
Also Butcher's Harem, which is hip hop with guttural vocals =P
Apothecary - 03.02.2014 at 23:59  
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 03.02.2014 at 21:52

DJ Shadow (basically instrumental hip-hop)

There are plenty of producers who do albums that are just straight instrumental without any vox. SKYWLKR and Flying Lotus are probably my favorites

Man, I really do need to link to my Youtube hip hop playlist as my signature in the forums, yall need some serious schooling
Troy Killjoy - 04.02.2014 at 00:30  
Written by Erik M. on 03.02.2014 at 17:43
As I said, I used to listen to rap such as Eminem. Then I loved it, now I hate it. Hating rap doesn't make me close-minded though.

I suppose calling you closed-minded isn't fair. The way you talk about rap makes me think you're one of those sheltered metalheads who don't step out of their comfort zone (not that there's an inherent problem with that). I understand a lot of people grew up hearing Eminem and growing to like different kinds of mainstream hip hop - I did the same thing - but then to claim that an entire genre isn't worthwhile based on your experiences with that music from when you were a teenager seems a bit... closed-minded, I guess. I'm not saying you have to listen to or try to listen to anything you don't care for, but you should also respect the fact that you can't judge a scene adequately based on the fact that you no longer like the one mainstream rap artist you listened to back in your teens.

Also, for anyone who hasn't checked any of Joe's links/suggestions, I second DJ Shadow. The instrumental hip hop scene is incredibly varied and innovative - and you don't have to listen to anyone rap.
Apothecary - 04.02.2014 at 01:06  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.02.2014 at 00:30

The instrumental hip hop scene is incredibly varied and innovative

Indeed, and Flying Lotus has actually been talking recently about doing some sort of collab with Herbie Hancock. If that's not cool, I don't know what is
wormdrink414 - 07.02.2014 at 05:10  
Watermelon Man on Headhunters is one of my faves. At the store I work at we have like 5 spotify channels that've been approved we can toss on, jazz being the only tolerable one for long shifts. Plays some Herbie sometimes, always the highlight of the workday. Beats the hell out of hearing Thrift Shop and Wrecking Ball ad infinitum.
Apothecary - 07.02.2014 at 05:21  
Written by wormdrink414 on 07.02.2014 at 05:10

Watermelon Man on Headhunters is one of my faves. At the store I work at we have like 5 spotify channels that've been approved we can toss on, jazz being the only tolerable one for long shifts. Plays some Herbie sometimes, always the highlight of the workday. Beats the hell out of hearing Thrift Shop and Wrecking Ball ad infinitum.

Def some good background music, that's for sure!
wormdrink414 - 07.02.2014 at 07:03  
Written by Apothecary on 07.02.2014 at 05:21

Def some good background music, that's for sure!

My girlfriend said it sounds like elevator music when I played it in my car not too long ago. Seemed harsh, but not too harsh, it really is good as background music. And hey, elevator music can kick ass.

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