Written by Fat & Sassy! on 25.07.2008 at 01:43

Why is anybody even paying attention to COF anymore?

It might be because different people have different music tastes.

Written by Stuart on 24.07.2008 at 23:26

Written by AMonitorDarkly on 23.07.2008 at 23:04

Whether or not Cradle of Filth can actually be considered metal, I think they have some good material. I've just never cared for Dani's vocals. They remind me of Corey Taylor's in that Dani seems like he's trying to let out a full on scream but only manages to churn out an annoying whine.

What a ridiculous thing to say, of course CoF are metal, whether you like them or not does not dictate whether they are metal are not. when people can't differentiate between personal opinion and reality it becomes very concerning for their mental health.

I just meant that some people don't consider Cradle true metal. If you had bothered to read my words carefully, you would have noticed that I did not give an opinion on whether or not this applied to them, I merely stated that some people may think so.

Written by AMonitorDarkly on 25.07.2008 at 07:49

Written by Stuart on 24.07.2008 at 23:26

Written by AMonitorDarkly on 23.07.2008 at 23:04

Whether or not Cradle of Filth can actually be considered metal, I think they have some good material. I've just never cared for Dani's vocals. They remind me of Corey Taylor's in that Dani seems like he's trying to let out a full on scream but only manages to churn out an annoying whine.

What a ridiculous thing to say, of course CoF are metal, whether you like them or not does not dictate whether they are metal are not. when people can't differentiate between personal opinion and reality it becomes very concerning for their mental health.

I just meant that some people don't consider Cradle true metal. If you had bothered to read my words carefully, you would have noticed that I did not give an opinion on whether or not this applied to them, I merely stated that some people may think so.

ahhhh so now its not just not metal but rather not "true" metal, well you see that makes all the difference, I'm so glad you cleared that up man, here I was thinking that the definition of metal was about certain guitar styles, rythms and beats and what not. but now i know its all about how "true" it is. I mean fuck, its all about the trueness isn't it? I should have read what you said more carefuly. I realise now that it has nothing to do with personal opinion whatsoever, but there is indeed some Metal force out there which, unknown to the untrue, classifies bands as true or untrue. like you said, as some people might think...

Written by Mull666 on 25.07.2008 at 05:44

O heavens i could agree more!!!:banger: I only recently discovered graveworm and Scourge of Malice is like my favourite album ever!! Triple recommend to any melodeath, symphonic black or gothic metal fans

Scourge of Malice is fantastic. I think what justifies them as the better band is that in their earlier albums, Graveworm tried to see how black their music could be with it still being sophisticatedly beautiful. Cradle of Filth sorta did this in albums like Midian, but Danni Filth's "vocals" are almost (and maybe intentionally) laughable. I like the whole over-the-top thing, but the trade off seems to be a lack of substance and soul.

Oh, and this discussion about "true" metal is completely pointless. Nobody defines metal. It defines itself.

I can't wait!!!

I'm not anxious about the album but I'll listen it anyway when it comes.

Somewhat cheesy name I have to say, I guess I'll (have to) hear it out when it comes.

Bwah, most of the people I know don't quite respect (that's a euphemism) CoF, and here's a good argument to support their claims (song titles and that pretty man on the cover). Personally, this is something I'd listen to, although it wouldn't be a disaster if I didn't

Written by Metal George on 24.07.2008 at 20:28

Written by [user id=1909] on 24.07.2008 at 16:57

Written by Metal George on 24.07.2008 at 06:57

Why do people comment on this sellout band? Go listen to Immortal and demand that their new album come out as soon as possible!

Well i dont like COF at all but Immortal isnt really a great choice either, probably one of the most mundane and reptitive bands in the world <instert predictable galloping drums and 2 bar tabs here>

I still think Immortal is still better than COF. What would you suggest to listen to?

Well of course Immortal is better than COF but its two completely different types of music...COF is about as Black Metal as In Flames. And Immortal is just like yeah...monotonous. Im much more into music like Windir which has some black metal influences but posess other aspects as well such as Viking metal and a more refined sound than most of the "true" Black Metal which thrives on inaudible productions.

Also music such as Old Man's Child, Dark Fortress, Naglfar, Profundi, Drama, (Old) Dissection. Emperor....some more progressive, others more melodic. I have very little interest in "true" black metal such as Mayhem and Dark Throne, simply for the fact that the music is too primitive and boring and dont just listen to music for the mere fact of it being a pioneer of the music style. Emperor is one of the few "real" Black Metal bands I listten to but mostly because of its progressive quality, which is far supperior to that of the other founding blackmetal bands.

Written by [user id=1909] on 26.07.2008 at 10:37

Written by Metal George on 24.07.2008 at 20:28

Written by [user id=1909] on 24.07.2008 at 16:57

Written by Metal George on 24.07.2008 at 06:57

Why do people comment on this sellout band? Go listen to Immortal and demand that their new album come out as soon as possible!

Well i dont like COF at all but Immortal isnt really a great choice either, probably one of the most mundane and reptitive bands in the world <instert predictable galloping drums and 2 bar tabs here>

I still think Immortal is still better than COF. What would you suggest to listen to?

Well of course Immortal is better than COF but its two completely different types of music...COF is about as Black Metal as In Flames. And Immortal is just like yeah...monotonous. Im much more into music like Windir which has some black metal influences but posess other aspects as well such as Viking metal and a more refined sound than most of the "true" Black Metal which thrives on inaudible productions.

Also music such as Old Man's Child, Dark Fortress, Naglfar, Profundi, Drama, (Old) Dissection. Emperor....some more progressive, others more melodic. I have very little interest in "true" black metal such as Mayhem and Dark Throne, simply for the fact that the music is too primitive and boring and dont just listen to music for the mere fact of it being a pioneer of the music style. Emperor is one of the few "real" Black Metal bands I listten to but mostly because of its progressive quality, which is far supperior to that of the other founding blackmetal bands.

So what if Immortal is monotone? It's still good

Written by Stuart on 24.07.2008 at 23:26

Written by AMonitorDarkly on 23.07.2008 at 23:04

Whether or not Cradle of Filth can actually be considered metal, I think they have some good material. I've just never cared for Dani's vocals. They remind me of Corey Taylor's in that Dani seems like he's trying to let out a full on scream but only manages to churn out an annoying whine.

What a ridiculous thing to say, of course CoF are metal, whether you like them or not does not dictate whether they are metal are not. when people can't differentiate between personal opinion and reality it becomes very concerning for their mental health.

I think I'll build a shrine or an altar or something dedicated to the wisdom of those words.

I was wondering why you guys were like SHAT OUT OF HELL HAHAHA! till I peeked into my French-English dictionnary and found shat... I must admit poo-pee titles are not that sophisticated, but then, CoF intend to shock and make people write SHAT OUT OF HELL HAHAHA!... Didn't they succeed? One can criticize their sound changes over the years, but the themes are almost unchanged: it's still about gothic litterature, serial killers (Elizabeth Bathory, Gilles de Rais, Dahmer, etc), sexual depravity and (like it or not) satanic occultism, with a great deal of metaphors. Their sound is getting ever farther from Black Metal, but actually they never were BM, even on The Principle of Evil Made Flesh. I think the upcoming album will NOT be Black Metal, it MIGHT sound like older stuff, but it WILL be Cradle of Filth and you can't judge an album yet to be released by titles and band pics. We'll have to wait a few months before deciding wether it's downright shit or that COF album we've been awaiting for many years.

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I still think Immortal is still better than COF. What would you suggest to listen to?

Well of course Immortal is better than COF but its two completely different types of music...COF is about as Black Metal as In Flames. And Immortal is just like yeah...monotonous. Im much more into music like Windir which has some black metal influences but posess other aspects as well such as Viking metal and a more refined sound than most of the "true" Black Metal which thrives on inaudible productions.

Also music such as Old Man's Child, Dark Fortress, Naglfar, Profundi, Drama, (Old) Dissection. Emperor....some more progressive, others more melodic. I have very little interest in "true" black metal such as Mayhem and Dark Throne, simply for the fact that the music is too primitive and boring and dont just listen to music for the mere fact of it being a pioneer of the music style. Emperor is one of the few "real" Black Metal bands I listten to but mostly because of its progressive quality, which is far supperior to that of the other founding blackmetal bands.

So what if Immortal is monotone? It's still good

Well I guess thats where we differ I like my music to be a bit more layered and un-monotonous hehe

Perhaps this album title and track listing are a hoax, as previously mentioned. They have done so in the past.
A concept album? Perfect. Cruelty was an amazing album, possibly my favorite.
And for all the CoF haters who base themselves solely on albums like Thornography: the band still released some epic music (ie: Dusk, Cruelty, Midian) and for that they deserve some respect.

Shat Out Of Hell... oh dear. I like Cradle Of Filth but sometimes the names are cringeworthy. First Gilded Cunt, now Shat Out Of Hell..

But I defiantly agree with the guys mentioning Graveworm, fucking brilliant band,my favorite is probably Engraved In Black.

Anyway, hopefully this album will sound decent.

i preordered the special addition and cant wait for this album to come out. i also preordered dani's book "Gospel of Filth" this might actually get me back into reading books if its as good as i hope its going to be