Release date: 11 August 2014
Style: Experimental black metal

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7.7 | 26 votes

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03. Cinnamomum Parthenoxylon
04. Gleditsia
05. Rhizophora
06. Dianthus
07. Leucadendron Argenteum
08. Pteridophyte
09. Wisteria
10. Erythronium
11. …Gazing…

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If you ever needed a prime example of black metal's growing shift towards the unconventional in our recent times, you need look no farther than Roberto Martinelli's Botanist. A curious concoction of vocals, drums, and hammered dulcimer, the debut of the project took the more obscure fringes of the genre by storm, fusing seemingly unfitting elements together for the achievement of a refreshingly original creation. While perhaps not as radical, VI: Flora seeks to continue this pattern, and it does so wonderfully.

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published 07.09.2014 | Comments (12)

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Alex Fenger - 12.06.2014 at 23:21  
Rating: 8 Announced at this location. Anticipating this album quite a bit. Botanist are entirely consistent
Apothecary - 12.06.2014 at 23:27  
 
Written by Alex Fenger on 12.06.2014 at 23:21

Anticipating this album quite a bit.

Fuuuck yus, man. I'm pretty open to how it'll sound, although I'd like something heavier and more slow paced like Doom In Bloom, that's probably been my favorite so far. Also curious as to whether or not the dulcimer will stay electric this time around.
Apothecary - 12.06.2014 at 23:31  
  Also, what happened to V in the series of albums? Assuming that split with Palace Of Worms is being considered as such?
Mr. Doctor - 12.06.2014 at 23:35  
  I was just about to ask the same thing. It troubles me ore than it should have! D.
!J.O.O.E.! - 13.06.2014 at 00:01  
  New Botanist is always good news, though I admit I've not really been that into them / him since the debut. Hoping for more of that, or similar.
Alex Fenger - 13.06.2014 at 04:13  
Rating: 8
Written by Apothecary on 12.06.2014 at 23:31

Also, what happened to V in the series of albums? Assuming that split with Palace Of Worms is being considered as such?

Unfortunately so. It feels a lot less organized with that being the case
Mr. Doctor - 13.06.2014 at 11:30  
 
Written by Alex Fenger on 13.06.2014 at 04:13

Written by Apothecary on 12.06.2014 at 23:31

Also, what happened to V in the series of albums? Assuming that split with Palace Of Worms is being considered as such?
Unfortunately so. It feels a lot less organized with that being the case

My OCD senses are acting up again.
Apothecary - 13.06.2014 at 15:45  
 
Written by Alex Fenger on 13.06.2014 at 04:13

Written by Apothecary on 12.06.2014 at 23:31

Also, what happened to V in the series of albums? Assuming that split with Palace Of Worms is being considered as such?

Unfortunately so. It feels a lot less organized with that being the case

Eh, I'm not too upset about it, although it would've been nicer if the Botanist side of the split was entitled V: The Hanging Gardens Of Hell. Anyway, I read an interview with the guy around the time Mandragora came out saying he still has about 4-5 albums worth of material, so I'm really curious to see where this project goes in the future.
Alex Fenger - 13.06.2014 at 18:40  
Rating: 8
Written by Apothecary on 13.06.2014 at 15:45

Eh, I'm not too upset about it, although it would've been nicer if the Botanist side of the split was entitled V: The Hanging Gardens Of Hell. Anyway, I read an interview with the guy around the time Mandragora came out saying he still has about 4-5 albums worth of material, so I'm really curious to see where this project goes in the future.

Holy shit that's a ton of material. No complaints though, I guess it should all be of relative similar quality. Very interested to see how the band progresses too though
!J.O.O.E.! - 14.06.2014 at 13:23  
  Talk like this always makes me think of the "four unreleased full-length Lurker of Chalice albums" that apparently exist. Le sigh...
Lit. - 14.06.2014 at 14:57  
  ^ Yeah, what's up with that? Is Wrest never gonna release them or what?

Also, would I like this band? The Boulder feels conflicted about trying it out.
Apothecary - 15.06.2014 at 16:45  
 
Written by Lit. on 14.06.2014 at 14:57

^ Yeah, what's up with that? Is Wrest never gonna release them or what?

Also, would I like this band? The Boulder feels conflicted about trying it out.

I think it's more of a personal issue than anything else, he's stated multiple times that he feels as though the Lurker Of Chalice debut got so much hype that putting out any subsequent material wouldn't match up to it, or be a dishonor to it, or something along those lines. Also, I think that Massive Conspiracy was supposed to be the second LOC album, but he released it under Leviathan for that reason.

As far as liking Botanist goes... dunno dude, do you like bands that can impress you with really minimalist instrumentation? Cuz all there is to the project is drums, vocals, and dulcimer, but they all come together for quite a nice result. The debut imo was kinda messy, but the subsequent albums have been great. Try this out, one of my favs.
Mr. Doctor - 15.06.2014 at 17:04  
  The debut is a really hard pill to swallow (although I loved it). Try the other albums since they are a bit slower and much less crazy.
Karlabos - 15.06.2014 at 17:20  
Rating: 9
Written by Apothecary on 15.06.2014 at 16:45

I think it's more of a personal issue than anything else, he's stated multiple times that he feels as though the Lurker Of Chalice debut got so much hype that putting out any subsequent material wouldn't match up to it, or be a dishonor to it, or something along those lines.

In other words, all we can do is wait for him to die so that the label will release'em post mortem
PocketMetal - 15.06.2014 at 22:13  
  I appreciate Botanist for what he's doing but after 2 or 3 listens I just don't wanna ever listen to the album again.
Alex Fenger - 07.08.2014 at 04:24  
Rating: 8 Whole thing streaming here
Karlabos - 07.08.2014 at 04:36  
Rating: 9
Written by Alex Fenger on 07.08.2014 at 04:24

Whole thing streaming here

THANK YOU
Boxcar Willy - 07.08.2014 at 06:10  
Rating: 7 A step down from his previous material.
Alex Fenger - 08.08.2014 at 05:02  
Rating: 8
Written by Boxcar Willy on 07.08.2014 at 06:10

A step down from his previous material.

Why? I pretty much think everything Botanist has released is on (quite nearly) the exact same level of quality (being really nice). This one really feels like the most mature Botanist release. The melodies are a lot more developed and easy on the ear, and while it's more accessible, it doesn't lose any of the unbelievable amount of ingenuity that was present on The Suicide Tree. Seriously Stargazer is a sexy-ass track
Boxcar Willy - 08.08.2014 at 19:06  
Rating: 7
Written by Alex Fenger on 08.08.2014 at 05:02

Written by Boxcar Willy on 07.08.2014 at 06:10

A step down from his previous material.

Why? I pretty much think everything Botanist has released is on (quite nearly) the exact same level of quality (being really nice). This one really feels like the most mature Botanist release. The melodies are a lot more developed and easy on the ear, and while it's more accessible, it doesn't lose any of the unbelievable amount of ingenuity that was present on The Suicide Tree. Seriously Stargazer is a sexy-ass track

I prefer the raw extremely experimental approach of the debut. The last four albums sound too similar for me. It's like all of the previous (minus the debut) are 8's and this (at leat to me) is a 7.5.

It's hard to explain via typing on my phone, so I hope you get what I mean
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.08.2014 at 19:13  
  Kind of with Tanner here. I find it hard to get enthusiastic about post-debut Botanist. It's nice, well made music but lacking that interesting experimental edge of the debut.
theFIST - 09.08.2014 at 17:01  
  Sounds very much like a summer album compared to the others
Erik M. - 10.08.2014 at 01:04  
Rating: 8
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 08.08.2014 at 19:13

It's nice, well made music but lacking that interesting experimental edge of the debut.


Might agree with Alex then, since I can't say I'm overly fond of that style. Only gave it one spin though, so who knows. (no, not going to continue that discussion, hahaha)
Boxcar Willy - 10.08.2014 at 07:14  
Rating: 7
Written by theFIST on 09.08.2014 at 17:01

Sounds very much like a summer album compared to the others

I agree, the thick and hazy (almost shoegaze) textures and the bright and soft colours of the cover really scream SUMMA.
Erik M. - 10.08.2014 at 18:23  
Rating: 8 Easily the best thing I've heard from this band... which isn't saying much, but I simply like this one a lot. After nearly one spin I can safely say I'm definitely going to revisit this.
catherinewrong - 11.08.2014 at 01:23  
 
Written by Alex Fenger on 08.08.2014 at 05:02

Written by Boxcar Willy on 07.08.2014 at 06:10

A step down from his previous material.

Why? I pretty much think everything Botanist has released is on (quite nearly) the exact same level of quality (being really nice). This one really feels like the most mature Botanist release. The melodies are a lot more developed and easy on the ear, and while it's more accessible, it doesn't lose any of the unbelievable amount of ingenuity that was present on The Suicide Tree. Seriously Stargazer is a sexy-ass track


Although I absolutely love everything Botanist does, I agree with Willy.
Erik M. - 11.08.2014 at 21:58  
Rating: 8
Written by Alex Fenger on 08.08.2014 at 05:02

Why? I pretty much think everything Botanist has released is on (quite nearly) the exact same level of quality (being really nice). This one really feels like the most mature Botanist release. The melodies are a lot more developed and easy on the ear, and while it's more accessible, it doesn't lose any of the unbelievable amount of ingenuity that was present on The Suicide Tree. Seriously Stargazer is a sexy-ass track


It doesn't happen too often, but I totally agree with you.

Really great release, this one.
Ilham - 12.08.2014 at 00:23  
Rating: 6 I still prefer Doom In Bloom to this. It's the hazy texture that's putting me off a bit. But it's still a beautiful piece of music.
Alex Fenger - 13.08.2014 at 20:46  
Rating: 8 Botanist just made this announcement on his facebook page

So far, we're surprised few in the press are wondering what happened to "V." It is very real and exists. But we all felt that "VI" was the best record we had available, so we skipped "V." But "V" will be released some years in the future. We also understand we deserve any confusion and annoyance about these points.
Ilham - 13.08.2014 at 21:18  
Rating: 6 Thank you for reporting that little fact Alex.
Boxcar Willy - 13.08.2014 at 22:04  
Rating: 7
Written by Alex Fenger on 13.08.2014 at 20:46

Botanist just made this announcement on his facebook page

So far, we're surprised few in the press are wondering what happened to "V." It is very real and exists. But we all felt that "VI" was the best record we had available, so we skipped "V." But "V" will be released some years in the future. We also understand we deserve any confusion and annoyance about these points.

This makes me even more mad. Now they're going to be out of order.
Apothecary - 14.08.2014 at 01:15  
 
Written by Alex Fenger on 13.08.2014 at 20:46

So far, we're surprised few in the press are wondering what happened to "V." It is very real and exists. But we all felt that "VI" was the best record we had available, so we skipped "V." But "V" will be released some years in the future. We also understand we deserve any confusion and annoyance about these points.

OCD exploding
Karlabos - 14.08.2014 at 01:47  
Rating: 9
Written by Apothecary on 14.08.2014 at 01:15

Written by Alex Fenger on 13.08.2014 at 20:46

So far, we're surprised few in the press are wondering what happened to "V." It is very real and exists. But we all felt that "VI" was the best record we had available, so we skipped "V." But "V" will be released some years in the future. We also understand we deserve any confusion and annoyance about these points.

OCD exploding

I wonder how are you feeling about Darkspace's "III I" then?
Apothecary - 14.08.2014 at 02:40  
 
Written by Karlabos on 14.08.2014 at 01:47

I wonder how are you feeling about Darkspace's "III I" then?

Not really that bad, because the way I look at it, it's their fourth album, and III + I = 4
Karlabos - 14.08.2014 at 02:43  
Rating: 9
Written by Apothecary on 14.08.2014 at 02:40

Written by Karlabos on 14.08.2014 at 01:47

I wonder how are you feeling about Darkspace's "III I" then?

Not really that bad, because the way I look at it, it's their fourth album, and III + I = 4

And what about the EP "-I"? =P
Apothecary - 14.08.2014 at 03:04  
 
Written by Karlabos on 14.08.2014 at 02:43

And what about the EP "-I"? =P

God, gonna be a bitch adding that one to my Itunes and somehow figuring out how not to have the tracks added to the "I" debut
!J.O.O.E.! - 14.08.2014 at 03:10  
  In my head those "I" symbols are tiny monoliths.
M C Vice - 03.09.2014 at 06:24  
Rating: 7 Much better than Mandragora.
Mr. Doctor - 03.09.2014 at 14:31  
 
Written by Karlabos on 14.08.2014 at 02:43
And what about the EP "-I"? =P

Written by Apothecary on 14.08.2014 at 03:04

God, gonna be a bitch adding that one to my Itunes and somehow figuring out how not to have the tracks added to the "I" debut


The reason the EP has the title "-I" is because it's just a re-make of their old demo which name was "-I"... Possibly to symbolize the fact that it came before their debut "I". So it's still well thought out in that sense.
Apothecary - 03.09.2014 at 18:32  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 08.08.2014 at 19:13

It's nice, well made music but lacking that interesting experimental edge of the debut.

I'd say it's still pretty interesting and experimental, I mean distorted dulcimer isn't exactly something you hear every day
Alien1988 - 03.09.2014 at 23:52  
Rating: 7 I found the debut to be atrociously bad but this is quite enjoyable, their best even.
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.09.2014 at 01:11  
 
Written by Apothecary on 03.09.2014 at 18:32

I'd say it's still pretty interesting and experimental, I mean distorted dulcimer isn't exactly something you hear every day

I guess it's because this sort of thing sounds like a much more natural environment for a dulcimer, whereas the debut was like shunting two opposing elements together and forcing it to work (which I felt it did though I can see why others don't).
Apothecary - 04.09.2014 at 04:48  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.09.2014 at 01:11

I guess it's because this sort of thing sounds like a much more natural environment for a dulcimer, whereas the debut was like shunting two opposing elements together and forcing it to work (which I felt it did though I can see why others don't).

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. In a way you could say that because the dulcimer has become distorted, the albums including and following IV now sound somewhat more accessible because such a move in turn makes the music a little more metal-like, and thus more relatable. The debut was simply dulcimer as is, plus the BM, so it felt a lot more unnatural, but somehow a splendid complement nonetheless.
Zaphod - 08.09.2014 at 20:58  
Rating: 8
Written by Apothecary on 14.08.2014 at 01:15

OCD exploding
Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.08.2014 at 22:04

This makes me even more mad. Now they're going to be out of order.

Haha, I gotta admit I actually love this. Releasing VI before V? Brilliant.

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