Written by Zombie on 12.11.2010 at 22:50

Sounds great ... i'd like to try that

Yes, do that... I believe Egypt has a nice choice of alcohol available unlike Iran where the security control is searching travellers' luggage for bottles instead of explosives...

I HATE everything please god help me

Valentin B, of course any country has its problems but the overall situation can be better or worst. Ours is one of the worst ones . I'm not a pesimist but it's easy to make a comparison at different levels . This doesn't mean that I'm desperated though. I think that the most important thing is what you do. There will always be good people, good places, good things etc. Saying all the time "oh dammit everithing is lost" (so many romanians have lost their heads intro this way of thinking...) prooves in fact that you are quite superficial. There will always be ways to keep your head up, no matter what country and enviroment you live in

Written by DarkestChild on 13.11.2010 at 22:20

Valentin B, of course any country has its problems but the overall situation can be better or worst. Ours is one of the worst ones . I'm not a pesimist but it's easy to make a comparison at different levels . This doesn't mean that I'm desperated though. I think that the most important thing is what you do. There will always be good people, good places, good things etc. Saying all the time "oh dammit everithing is lost" (so many romanians have lost their heads intro this way of thinking...) prooves in fact that you are quite superficial. There will always be ways to keep your head up, no matter what country and enviroment you live in

yeah, i agree with that. i'm actually pretty optimistic about the overall situation there, after all we've all seen worse periods than this. the only constant i think will be that the politicians will, at least for the foreseeable future be greedier and more hypocritical than usual.

other than that, i think Romania will manage. and when the Euro finally becomes the currency i guess we'll be on the right track

Written by Valentin B on 14.11.2010 at 16:35

when the Euro finally becomes the currency i guess we'll be on the right track

The Euro becomes currency here soon and this sucks...

At least some of our leaders have so much honesty to admit that while there surely will be no salvation in that, at least there is a possibility there will not be any ultimate hell either...

I hope so... but as Germans have said that "euro ist teuro" and Italians "this has been the worst catastrophe ever" and given the past experiences of government literally robbing people's savings during a currency shift, I'm not so naive to think that "euro will bring paradise"

Oh... and giving up the national currency is like throwing the struggle and work we did while in USSR to change the rouble to coronas straight into the garbage can... But since we've been lead by USSR people all the time, I think having a national currency was "nature's error" for them in the first place...

Estonia, for example, is not ready to receive euro... our poverty is horrid, we are far from meeting the standards... but what our government has done is faking the data and artificially pushing the economic status to meet the criteria for entering the jewro-zone...
That means... they are strangling the people and making them starve and robbing them of the last money they have... just to GET THAT FRIGGIN EURO...
And what next? Our prices are already propelling towards heavens... whereas our income is coming down... and besides they invent more taxes and fines to get money from us and if that is not enough they will change the law so that there will be more possibilities to fine us. And they create more situations where poor people are in debts and so deep that they are unable to pay it back and the debts increase and increase until people start killing themselves (the word "pank" can mean both "bank" and "cliff" in Estonian... the cliff that you can jump/drive off from...)
And at last we'll have the euro... our income is tiny and the prices will be at "euro-level"... so shall we eat potato peels or commit mass suicide or just flee the country? So far all euro-zone countries have had negative experience with euro...

Plus... euros are freaking ugly...
And... if you read some books written rather long time ago, there were horror stories of evil culture clubs whose not-so-friendly plans included a thing called "common currency"...

@Zombie... guess you know... I bet one day you'll be having the euros in Egypt too... unless something new were to be invented...

Lol, i guess you and me will both be using a common currency soon, if not in our lifetime then surely the next generation would live to see it.
Colonization of africa, south asia and latin america is already at hand one more time.

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

I know the feeling... and this current government is making me hate it even more. *sighs*

Written by Angelic Storm on 15.11.2010 at 12:26

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

I know the feeling... and this current government is making me hate it even more. *sighs*

I hate Nick Clegg.

I mean, at least Cameron is sticking to his guns, but Clegg is just some power hungry sycophant.

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

Totally Agree with you, Everything , god why i endup here, i born in Bulgaria, and lived 2 years in Russia, and now i'm in Syria

Written by [user id=107773] on 15.11.2010 at 12:54
I hate Nick Clegg.

I mean, at least Cameron is sticking to his guns, but Clegg is just some power hungry sycophant.

Exactly. I think anyone with an ounce of sense would have realised what the Tories would do when they got into power. Nothing Cameron is doing surprises me in the slightest. But Nick Clegg has sold out his party's principles just so he can be in a position of power. I know some Lib Dems members left the party just for Clegg agreeing to the coalition. And now, I can certainly understand why they did. The thing is, the Lib Dems were stronger than ever, in the lead up to the last election. I think the coalition will be far more damaging for the Lib Dems than the Tories. Cameron is vile, but he's not a hypocrite at least. (okay, he was a bit "economical with the truth" before the general election, but isnt that the way with ALL politicians?) Nick Clegg is a hypocrite, and if he had any decency at all, he would try and get the coalition stopped. I cant see that happening though...

Written by Angelic Storm on 15.11.2010 at 13:01

Written by [user id=107773] on 15.11.2010 at 12:54
I hate Nick Clegg.

I mean, at least Cameron is sticking to his guns, but Clegg is just some power hungry sycophant.

Exactly. I think anyone with an ounce of sense would have realised what the Tories would do when they got into power. Nothing Cameron is doing surprises me in the slightest. But Nick Clegg has sold out his party's principles just so he can be in a position of power. I know some Lib Dems members left the party just for Clegg agreeing to the coalition. And now, I can certainly understand why they did. The thing is, the Lib Dems were stronger than ever, in the lead up to the last election. I think the coalition will be far more damaging for the Lib Dems than the Tories. Cameron is vile, but he's not a hypocrite at least. (okay, he was a bit "economical with the truth" before the general election, but isnt that the way with ALL politicians?) Nick Clegg is a hypocrite, and if he had any decency at all, he would try and get the coalition stopped. I cant see that happening though...

It was quite entertaining meeting some conservative voters at the protest last week, it's almost as if they didn't think what is transpiring now would be inevitable if the tories came into power

Written by [user id=107773] on 15.11.2010 at 12:54

Written by Angelic Storm on 15.11.2010 at 12:26

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

I know the feeling... and this current government is making me hate it even more. *sighs*

I hate Nick Clegg.

I mean, at least Cameron is sticking to his guns, but Clegg is just some power hungry sycophant.

i wish we had clegg and cameron overhere

Written by [user id=28526] on 15.11.2010 at 12:56

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

Totally Agree with you, Everything , god why i endup here, i born in Bulgaria, and lived 2 years in Russia, and now i'm in Syria

i totally understand ur feeling i lived in England til the age of 6 now im stuck in this crap hole

Written by Powerslavex on 15.11.2010 at 14:26

Written by [user id=28526] on 15.11.2010 at 12:56

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

Totally Agree with you, Everything , god why i endup here, i born in Bulgaria, and lived 2 years in Russia, and now i'm in Syria

i totally understand ur feeling i lived in England til the age of 6 now im stuck in this crap hole

My eyes full of tears right now, oh fuck , hope i die soon maybe i will live in better place or maybe i will see my family again, That's life thanks for Adam\Eve for having sex.

Written by [user id=107773] on 15.11.2010 at 13:28
It was quite entertaining meeting some conservative voters at the protest last week, it's almost as if they didn't think what is transpiring now would be inevitable if the tories came into power

I can only imagine people thinking that if they werent around the last time the Tories were in power. The Tories have always taken from the poor to give to the rich, and if anyone was really stupid enough to think that wasnt going to happen again if the Tories got in, then they deserve all they get. Granted, Labour didnt deliver on many of its promises to the working class when they were in power, but they're definitely the lesser of two evils.

@powerslavex: If you're poor, (or disabled and not rich) then believe me you would not want Cameron and Clegg over there. Unless Syria is run by some dictator like Hitler...

Duh! Syria and Egypt ARE run by dictators like Hitler !!

Syria's Story Briefly; Hafiz A-Asad was a ruthless dictator who ruled syria with an iron fist, according to communist views. then upon his death, they sent for his son; Bashar. who was a doctor or a dentist studying abroad i believe, to come back to syria and rule instead of his father (even though Syria is a republic not a monarchy, and for a president to pass down the rule to his son, syria became the laughing stock of the region, well, now Egypt is following the same footsteps lol), Bashar is way less ruthless than his dad, and he's made some economic reforms but they mostly dont benefit the ordinary people, and he's also heightened censorship, youtube and facebook are banned in Syria, anti-government bloggers gets tracked down and imprisoned, and most of the syrian people are poor and miserable.

Now, Syria's bigger sister, Egypt (Bigger in size geographically only, we're even shittier than those guys, lol)
Since the end of the Ancient Egyptian civilization and we've been constantly occupied by some foreign country; greeks, romans, persians, arabs, mamluks, french, ottomans, and finally the British. So, the Egyptian people are used to being ruled by a dictator, as a matter of fact they NEVER knew democracy or any form of power-transfer between leaders except through monarchy or through assasination. So, Mubarak, the current dictator (who is believed to have set up the assasination of the former president, Sadat (nothing of value was lost really) lol) Mubarak has been in power for 29 years, the 83 year old president still to this day oppresses opposition, with countless documented cases of torture by police officials in police stations and secret torture facilities, with news that Mubarak's police tortured some suspects sent to them by the american CIA, so Egyptian police are even more ruthless than Guantanamo Bay guards. Corruption reached Epic proportions, and is breaking new records everyday, we've lost our agriculture industry, tourism, factories, and even basic infrastructure because no official in power cares bout doing their job as they KNOW people cant judge them, and they only do their best to please the dictator by hypocrisy and ass-kissing so that they'd stay in their chairs, and this leading to terrifying statistics where Egypt that used to be the biggest civilization in the world one day,

is now 40% illiterate,
60% live on less than 2$ per day, --- lebanon 28.6, syria 30%, yemen 59.9%
and 45% of those live on less than ONE dollar per day,
sexual harrasment 98%,
divorce one in every two couples),
highest air pollution globally,
and third or fourth place in overall pollution (just better than places with nuclear radiation and such),
female-genital mutilation "circumcision" 95%,
one of the lowest income averages in the world, and therefore,
the LOWEST productive country lol ,
20 million Egyptians diagnosed with chronic depression,
3500 suicides annually (45% of it in Cairo),
12 million homeless,
2 million living in cemetaries,
46% suffer malnutrition,
106 death from torture in police stations in the last 6 months,
22,400 car accident in the year 2007 alone,
number ONE ranking in deaths on the road from accidents (88,779 fatality and 379,233 injured in the past decade),
7394 railroad accident in the past 5 years, resulted in 573 deaths and 805 injury,
4 billion pounds lost annually due to transportation accidents,
40 billion pounds wasted due to corruption in the past TWO years,
ranks 134 out of 134 countries in giving jobs to relatives and acquaintances,
25% of population suffer high blood pressure,
highest rate of infant deaths globally (50 out of 1000) --- japan 4, sweden 3
10 million egyptians suffer hepatitis C virus (ranks number one globally),
9 million suffer diabetes and second place global in total diabetes deaths,
Avian flu disappeared almost completely around the world except egypt, and we have one of the highest death rates because of it,
100,000 more cancer patients every year due to water pollution solely,
22% of the population are jobless,
17% of the population cant afford marriage expenses,
ranks 129 out of 134 in skilled-worker immigration, and is the worst country in the region,
134 out of 134 in productivity (i think i mentioned this before),
125 out of 134 in economic stability.

PS: i made this study last year (basically tht's why i want to immigrate, lol) and i have sources to each and every piece of information posted here, i didnt post the sources as the post is long enough, but if anyone is suspicious of a certain point please tell me and i'll provide you with a link to the source )

@Zombie: Could you possibly send me the source? I'm not questioning the validity by the way, I'm just genuinely interested; it's the geographer in me lol.

Written by [user id=28526] on 15.11.2010 at 15:48

Written by Powerslavex on 15.11.2010 at 14:26

Written by [user id=28526] on 15.11.2010 at 12:56

Written by Powerslavex on 13.11.2010 at 11:36

I HATE everything please god help me

Totally Agree with you, Everything , god why i endup here, i born in Bulgaria, and lived 2 years in Russia, and now i'm in Syria

i totally understand ur feeling i lived in England til the age of 6 now im stuck in this crap hole

My eyes full of tears right now, oh fuck , hope i die soon maybe i will live in better place or maybe i will see my family again, That's life thanks for Adam\Eve for having sex.

im sure we will be better of dead! nice one dude

@ Viggo: yeah, that's the only thing egyptians are doing right now, marrying foreigners to acquire nationlaity and along the way converting them to islam and further fucking europe up ! lol

@ Luneth: i have the source but in arabic, do you want me to send it to you and u use an online translator ? i'm too lazy to translate all of it.
anyways i'll see if i can find links in english (as most of the information is from local human rights and corruption watch websites)

PS: Viggo, if you ever come to Egypt tell me (but try to pass by cairo not just to sharm el sheikh or hurgahda coz they're so far from where i live)

Written by Angelic Storm on 15.11.2010 at 16:33

Written by [user id=107773] on 15.11.2010 at 13:28
It was quite entertaining meeting some conservative voters at the protest last week, it's almost as if they didn't think what is transpiring now would be inevitable if the tories came into power

I can only imagine people thinking that if they werent around the last time the Tories were in power. The Tories have always taken from the poor to give to the rich, and if anyone was really stupid enough to think that wasnt going to happen again if the Tories got in, then they deserve all they get. Granted, Labour didnt deliver on many of its promises to the working class when they were in power, but they're definitely the lesser of two evils.

@powerslavex: If you're poor, (or disabled and not rich) then believe me you would not want Cameron and Clegg over there. Unless Syria is run by some dictator like Hitler...

The gap between the rich and poor grew LARGER under Labour! I don't understand the thinking behind voting for Labour, unless of course your a claimaint. Yes, that must be it, you vote Labour for hand outs. Cant be anything else. If Labour (i.e., Socialists/Communists - remember, USSR, that thing that FAILED) had there way everyone would live on hand outs. To vote for Labour is to vote for economic miss management. Everytime Labour has been in power it has left the country bankrupt. Everytime without fail. Plus you'll have no rights, Labour created the Libel law and brought in the millions of cameras. You can't give Unions power over the country. Companies and buisinesses can't compete internationally, so instead Socialists create there own jobs out of thin air, then you get the whole public sector / private sector miss match.

Private sector workers pay for the public sector workers, but, they get less of everything, time off, pay, sickness, lost time, bonuses, productivity, the government doesnt take enough cash in to cover the cost so borrows off China, Qatar etc to keep the fantasy land going. Dont think Euroland will save you neither, why should hard working Germans bail out Greeks, Irish, Portugese so they can retire earlier and get nicer benefits? Merkel wants the rules changed because German courts are going to sue if she doesnt. Next year, they'll be no safety net and Spain & Italy will follow. Everyone will be lending of the bondmarkets directly, not indirectly via Germany which got everyone in the euro in this mess in the first place.

What i'm trying to say is the coalition HAVE TO CUT! Then when things begin to look better, DON'T give an undeserving public sector a nice big pay rise above inflation so they vote Labour, cut taxes, cut buisiness rates so more companies set up shop and create REAL jobs that create a surplus country. But looney lefties see this as cutting taxes for the rich. Cant win.

Written by [user id=1843] on 16.11.2010 at 17:11
The gap between the rich and poor grew LARGER under Labour! I don't understand the thinking behind voting for Labour, unless of course your a claimaint. Yes, that must be it, you vote Labour for hand outs. Cant be anything else. If Labour (i.e., Socialists/Communists - remember, USSR, that thing that FAILED) had there way everyone would live on hand outs. To vote for Labour is to vote for economic miss management. Everytime Labour has been in power it has left the country bankrupt. Everytime without fail. Plus you'll have no rights, Labour created the Libel law and brought in the millions of cameras. You can't give Unions power over the country. Companies and buisinesses can't compete internationally, so instead Socialists create there own jobs out of thin air, then you get the whole public sector / private sector miss match...

The Tories have always been a rich people's party, and always will be. Sure, I did think things would get better under Labour, which I was wrong about, but if you're somehow trying to say that the Tories are any better a party for the poor and disabled to vote for, then you must be a couple of sandwhiches short of a picnic. I dont vote at all, because all the major parties are just about as bad as each other. Corrupt to the core, and only care about patting themselves on the back, and taking care of themselves and people like themselves. (IE people who are very well off) No party that truly gives a damn about the working class will ever get into power, and that's just the way of it. And its a bit rich saying people vote for Labour for the hand outs, when the Tories ground down the working classes under Thatcher and Major.

AND YES!! Im well aware that cuts have to made, but making the poorest have to bear the brunt of those cuts, is bordering on the immoral. And is in my opinion, completely unjustifiable. If you're trying to convince me that the tories are better to vote for than Labour, you're wasting your time. The Tories have NEVER delievered on any promises made to the most vulnerable in society, and neither have Labour. So they're about as bad as each other if you ask me. Labour slightly less bad, but still not worth voting for.

Written by Zombie on 15.11.2010 at 18:31

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while i don't question the validity of most of the other information, Egypt's infant death rate is far from the biggest in the world. who says that? the CIA

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.11.2010 at 17:26

Written by [user id=1843] on 16.11.2010 at 17:11
The gap between the rich and poor grew LARGER under Labour! I don't understand the thinking behind voting for Labour, unless of course your a claimaint. Yes, that must be it, you vote Labour for hand outs. Cant be anything else. If Labour (i.e., Socialists/Communists - remember, USSR, that thing that FAILED) had there way everyone would live on hand outs. To vote for Labour is to vote for economic miss management. Everytime Labour has been in power it has left the country bankrupt. Everytime without fail. Plus you'll have no rights, Labour created the Libel law and brought in the millions of cameras. You can't give Unions power over the country. Companies and buisinesses can't compete internationally, so instead Socialists create there own jobs out of thin air, then you get the whole public sector / private sector miss match...

The Tories have always been a rich people's party, and always will be. Sure, I did think things would get better under Labour, which I was wrong about, but if you're somehow trying to say that the Tories are any better a party for the poor and disabled to vote for, then you must be a couple of sandwhiches short of a picnic. I dont vote at all, because all the major parties are just about as bad as each other. Corrupt to the core, and only care about patting themselves on the back, and taking care of themselves and people like themselves. (IE people who are very well off) No party that truly gives a damn about the working class will ever get into power, and that's just the way of it. And its a bit rich saying people vote for Labour for the hand outs, when the Tories ground down the working classes under Thatcher and Major.

AND YES!! Im well aware that cuts have to made, but making the poorest have to bear the brunt of those cuts, is bordering on the immoral. And is in my opinion, completely unjustifiable. If you're trying to convince me that the tories are better to vote for than Labour, you're wasting your time. The Tories have NEVER delievered on any promises made to the most vulnerable in society, and neither have Labour. So they're about as bad as each other if you ask me. Labour slightly less bad, but still not worth voting for.

Can i ask what it is exactly you wont from the Government? If your disabled you get mobility, you get more then enough to live off and feed yourself, you get a home, usually a bungalow, fully check health and safety wise to live in. For nothing. This has been so for decades. Infact, i'd go as far to say that this is one thing this country excels at - looking after the disabled. Christ, we win the ParaOlympics everytime! Surely that speaks volume itself.

Me, i wont to pay less tax, simple. The only lot that also want this is the Tories. I'm not rich, but if i was, i'd also want to pay less tax. If i was rich, didn't use the NHS or anything in the public sector via maybe the police (ala council tax), i'd resent paying alot of tax. I'd move to a place like Switzerland too if a Labour government brought in 80% tax for the richest while giving public sector workers a 20% pay rise back in the Old Labour days. The country has probably lost more millionaires to Switerzland (and there taxes) cos of this despite it been known that the government gets more in taxes by having the rate lower.

Written by [user id=1843] on 16.11.2010 at 17:52
Can i ask what it is exactly you wont from the Government?

What do I want from the government? Lets see... a just and fair society, where poverty doesn't exist, and nobody has to struggle to make ends meet. And where homelessness is no longer a fact of life, but a thing of the past. For a decent law and justice system, unlike the joke we have now that has for years allowed the yob culture to thrive and to become a scourge for far too many of our towns and cities up and down the country. That the law is set up to protect the victims of crime, and not the purpetrators... I could go on, but I think all I want, is the same as most good, decent people in this country wants. Its not exactly rocket science. Should this be too much to ask? No. Is it too much to ask? Yes, hence why I dont vote.

You want to pay less tax? Dont we all?? The fact is, the rich are not really affected by the drastic cuts at all. The rich will still be rich. The poor will get even poorer. If I was rich, I wouldnt mind paying extra tax to ease the burden of working class people who are stuggling to make ends meet. As for the public services, its the poor once again, who are bearing the brunt of the cuts. The poor rely on the NHS, the rich dont. So cuts to NHS will only affect the poor. Cuts to police services will affect the poor far more than the rich, as deprived areas suffer far higher instances of crime and "anti social behaviour". The tories are not taking from the rich to ensure no drastic cuts to public services, so if you were rich, you wouldnt have a problem, would you?

And I think you're deluded if you think all disabled people get that stuff, and there arent any living in poverty.

Look, fair enough, i'm not going to knit pick, but i don't believe in some Utopian society as well. Just a muddle through, it's this deep seeded thing lefties believe religiously that the Tories want to destroy the poor that annoy's me. Yes, Cameroon & Osborne et al are rich and well educated, but i'd rather have this then someone on the left who bullied there way through some union to the top. Plus homelessness, there's no excuse whatsoever to be homeless in the UK. None whatsoever. You can get support and housing benefits, just don't take the piss and say you want residence in Chelsea in a 4 bedroom £800 a week rent. Which has happened under socialists. Plus cuts to the NHS? There isn't any cuts to the NHS. Though even doctors and nurses are saying it's bloated and cutting it would make it more efficient, the coalition hasn't cut because people such as yourself would cry murder without reading up on it. No offense. Plus there not taking from the rich? Anything earned above £40,000 is effectively taxed twice. 40% then 40% again on anything above. The poor whatever your definition is dont even start paying tax till they earn above £10,000. But that's the thing, im assuming your definition of the poor is people who don't/can't work. So that's a rich Tories person's fault? Don't say there isn't jobs, cos there 500,000 jobs in the job centres and hundreds of thousands of immigrants have found jobs. They maybe not the best jobs to do, specially when you can sit at home and earn nearly as much watching tele, but i'm guessing your anger is now that this is over, the country can't afford it, and people are going to be made to work.

Your assumptions about me are completely false. Much like most of the drivel in your post. I dont believe in a utopian society, but that doesnt mean there couldnt be one if the powers that be really wanted that. But they dont. As long as they and their own are fine, thats all they care about. And I include Labour in that as well, so spare me the "leftie" nonsense. So only rich and well educated people should be allowed to get to the top? Please...

No excuse to be homeless in the UK? Okay, so people choose to be homeless now do they? Now, I dare say there may be a minority who do, but most homeless people do not want to be homeless. So why would those people be homeless if they didnt have to be? Even the cheapest of rents can be difficult to pay regularly on a low income. Add tax on top of that, and if you're a poor person, you will struggle to make ends meet. You seem to be as deluded as those in power, it would seem... People need to earn £10,000 before they need to pay tax? That is wrong. Its £6,475, I think you'll find. Next you'll be denying the huge cuts that are being proposed for policing as well. Are you sure you're living in the real world? And you talk about the people who cant work and the people who wont work as if they are one and the same. (and my definition of them isnt poor, at least not in absolute terms anyway. As many people on low incomes have less money than some on benefits) It is very unfair that people who genuinely cant work are being tarred with the same brush as those who wont work. But that is exactly what many people do. Which I guess with the amount of scroungers around is a bit understandable, but still wrong, nonetheless. And it is some of the most vulnerable in our society that will end up paying the price for the scrounging culture of the last few years.

You think you can judge me, and know me by one single post attacking the government? lol Geez, you must think everyone who has a problem with the tories is the exact same. It must be nice to have such a simplistic, black and white view of people. You're annoyed about my view of the tories? Fine. But dont pretend to know everything about me based on that one fact.

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.11.2010 at 22:52

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6745 pounds a year? that's like 500 pounds a month, even with taxes, is that even nearly enough for basic subsistence?

Written by [user id=1843] on 16.11.2010 at 22:02

Look, fair enough, i'm not going to knit pick, but i don't believe in some Utopian society as well. Just a muddle through, it's this deep seeded thing lefties believe religiously that the Tories want to destroy the poor that annoy's me. Yes, Cameroon & Osborne et al are rich and well educated, but i'd rather have this then someone on the left who bullied there way through some union to the top. Plus homelessness, there's no excuse whatsoever to be homeless in the UK. None whatsoever. You can get support and housing benefits, just don't take the piss and say you want residence in Chelsea in a 4 bedroom £800 a week rent. Which has happened under socialists. Plus cuts to the NHS? There isn't any cuts to the NHS. Though even doctors and nurses are saying it's bloated and cutting it would make it more efficient, the coalition hasn't cut because people such as yourself would cry murder without reading up on it. No offense. Plus there not taking from the rich? Anything earned above £40,000 is effectively taxed twice. 40% then 40% again on anything above. The poor whatever your definition is dont even start paying tax till they earn above £10,000. But that's the thing, im assuming your definition of the poor is people who don't/can't work. So that's a rich Tories person's fault? Don't say there isn't jobs, cos there 500,000 jobs in the job centres and hundreds of thousands of immigrants have found jobs. They maybe not the best jobs to do, specially when you can sit at home and earn nearly as much watching tele, but i'm guessing your anger is now that this is over, the country can't afford it, and people are going to be made to work.

Lol, there was a similar viewpoint in the metro today [not the best source for information I'll admit; but it's a great laugh for a train journey going into uni].

I think anyone who denies the severity of these cuts is a fool. I mean, fine, you can be a rich guy for all I know and you might not be affected by these cuts at all, but don't deny their severity...that's just stupid. Why is it that we have to be believing in some 'eutopian' society? Why can't we just want a 'fair and just' society hmm? How about that?

We're all talking about very abstract things here when the question we all want answered is, and I ask you Kesh, why is it that the bankers are still being given bonuses that would liberate a developing nation from impoverishment, when it was their foolishness that caused this mess? Why, as a rebuttle, are the poorest being hit the hardest by these 'economy boosting' cuts?

Then Cameron has the audacity to go into China, and tell them how to run their country! LMFAO, I can't wait for a couple more decades when China and India become the two main superpowers and end this western regime of shite. In fact, I say the west, when what I'm really saying is this country and our 'good wartime mates': the USA.

Written by Valentin B on 16.11.2010 at 23:42
6745 pounds a year? that's like 500 pounds a month, even with taxes, is that even nearly enough for basic subsistence?

Exactly. Even without tax, when you factor in rent (which even in sub-standard council flats can be exhorbitant), and basic household bills (gas, electric, etc...), then it only takes someone with basic common sense to realise that the very lowest paid would find it very difficult to make ends meet. Anyone who refutes this, is just living in denial.

@Luneth: Totally agreed on everything! Not sure Id want China being the biggest superpower though... lol

@Angelic Storm It's good to talk. Ok, i shouldn't of made assumptions.

Here's me, just for this post im homeless... i'm sure there's a vast amount of reasons for ending up homeless, though you'll find those that choose to be homeless still get access to food, remember that program of those rich kids who are made homeless for 5 days to see what it was like? Anyways now im determined.

me: right, better get this house im cold
[walks to the newly build council offices] -- even though the old ones were probably fine, any excuse to put up council taxes up (those wicked Tories have froze council taxes, hurry!)
me: hello, i'm homeless and would like a house
council worker: oh, im sorry to here this. please fill out this form and we'll get you a council house or some rented accommodation
me: that it?
cw: yes


@Valentin B

If your having your housing rent or council tax paid for, i could easily go live on this.

@Luneth

I just didn't agree that it's the Tories fault. Thatcher inherited a bankrupt economy from Labour that had to go the IMF. So yes, things were bad. I grew up on a rough council estate, i know. Now they've inherited this, things are going to be bad, so people vote in the Tories to sort it out and make common sense cuts and everyone will hate them. Even though Major turned the country into a surplus country and began cutting taxes, he was a square. Blair/Brown (lunatic) was fresh and new. But you can't go on forever spending £4 when your only bringing in £3. There's huge structural issues here now, and not just here, things are much worst in some countries.

You explain to me were it is that the poorest are been hit? Child benefit? So your poor if you earn over £40,000? They still get that..

As for the bankers, well, because Brown put there liabilities onto the public books, gilts etc, and printed money to keep our interest rates low they've been awash with cash. But Basel II is stating they must have a certain percentage of 'actual deposits' before they lend, so there sitting on half and paying the other half of our cash to themselves. Thing is, everywhere has did this and they can go anywhere if they wish. They create too much tax revenue to be told to go away.

Plus Cameron didn't tell the Chinese how to run there country, he wants trade and investment from them. As there making alot more out of our relationship with them, then them with us (14-15 billion). We buy all there cheap tat. Your meaning the guy who was imprisioned, maybe he did mention it in private. Suppose civil liberities dont matter. But that was more to do with the Noble peace price.

But your right, China & India will be superpowers. But both have underperformed for centuries. They used to be trade superpowers, having PPP of about a third of the world economy combined. Depends on the US atm and whether these Tea Partiers vote in for larger trade barriers on there goods.