Ideas and suggestions



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Posted by BitterCOld, 24.08.2011 - 20:00
Post yer ideas, thoughts, and suggestions for the website here. thanks.
18.10.2017 - 14:12
nikarg
Old Nick
Written by BitterCOld on 17.10.2017 at 19:07

We agree to disagree....

Actually we don't disagree as much as you think.

1) It's true that many users are not active. It is also true that many accounts are created to boost the ratings of a specific album and/or band (e.g. The SLoT). The result in that case was that many "real" users rated this band's albums very low, which is something they wouldn't have done, because they didn't care. Now The SLoT's ratings are around 5.5 (after many of the 10's were nuked) instead of 7 or 7.5 that was the case before.

2) You say that you made a list of 25 "really solid if not great albums that don't yet have 50 votes/ratings. Several on that list were recent releases, were staff picked by me or others, were positively reviewed, were in the MSA's, won Staff Pick from the MSAs and still don't have 50". This list is your opinion based on your preferences (and by "you" I mean any member of staff). If people don't vote for albums that you think are excellent, it is probably because they don't find them excellent and this is why they have not risen to the top. I personally don't vote if I don't care about an album. Your review of Funeralium, which was one of the best I have read here, made me listen to the album, but it's not for me so I didn't vote. I think people will listen to an album if they read a review or see a staff pick, but they will not necessarily vote if they don't like it or if it's not interesting to them. And this is how the best rises to the top. Not what you or me or anyone else thinks is best, but what the majority thinks is best.

I have my own example: I think that Human Serpent is the best new black metal act in the last five years. I added them to the database, reviewed two of their albums and even wrote something about them in the shoutbox (which I rarely use). One of the two albums I reviewed has 2 ratings and the other one 4 (including mine). Cultes Des Ghoules was the best black metal album last year imo and it only has 22 votes. It would be stupid of me to say that other people don't understand how awesome it is and my taste is better than theirs.

You might say that I am not staff and people wouldn't give two shits about what I say. But the same has happened to you. The same has happened with Che for example. He likes Pylar a lot. He wrote a very nice review of their album last year and gave it a 9. More than 300 users have read it. Only 10 voted. He staff-picked their new album yesterday. So far it has 3 votes and 1 of them is his. This does not mean that Pylar are the best band in the world and us idiots don't get it. It means that the majority here does not share Che's view. Plain and simple.

3) I agree with your comment about voting guidelines. 7 means "good", but many people seem unable to understand it and believe that a 7 rating means the album is crap (maybe a scale of 1-5, instead of 1-10 would solve many problems, including vote abuse, but that's another discussion - the request for "half" ratings (8.5) to score albums is plain ridiculous imo).

4) I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph and it is the reason why I take ratings with a pinch of salt. I don't even care about ratings in reviews, but I do care and pay attention to their content. It also pisses me off when someone comments on how high or low I have rated an album, when it is clear that he or she hasn't read the review at all.

So, as you can see we only disagree about the best rising to the top situation. I do think that sometimes a very good album can slip through and not get the recognition it deserves, but I don't think it's the rule; rather the exception. Popularity is not the only way to measure quality, but has to be taken into account. If 500 people have rated the x album as 8 and 20 people have rated the y album as 8, it cannot mean the same thing.

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11.01.2018 - 00:38
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an update to rating colours?

It irks me that an album with an 8.5 rating is yellow, the same as a a 7 would be.

1-4.9 red, 5-6.9 orange, 7-7.9 yellow, 8-9.9 green and a 10 rating as white would be cool to see.

Just my opinion anyway.
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11.01.2018 - 20:10
RaduP
CertifiedHipster
Written by Boxcar Willy on 11.01.2018 at 00:38

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an update to rating colours?

It irks me that an album with an 8.5 rating is yellow, the same as a a 7 would be.

1-4.9 red, 5-6.9 orange, 7-7.9 yellow, 8-9.9 green and a 10 rating as white would be cool to see.

Just my opinion anyway.

Thus having yellow have a span of 1 and green a span of two? That irks even more
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11.01.2018 - 20:36
Karlabos
Weirdo of MS
I think all the colors should be black. Just like my metal
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12.01.2018 - 00:43
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Written by RaduP on 11.01.2018 at 20:10

Written by Boxcar Willy on 11.01.2018 at 00:38

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an update to rating colours?

It irks me that an album with an 8.5 rating is yellow, the same as a a 7 would be.

1-4.9 red, 5-6.9 orange, 7-7.9 yellow, 8-9.9 green and a 10 rating as white would be cool to see.

Just my opinion anyway.

Thus having yellow have a span of 1 and green a span of two? That irks even more


I don't really think that matters as 1-4 is a different span that the others anyway.

8-8.9 could be great and 9-10 could be white even.
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12.01.2018 - 05:22
Doc Godin
Full Grown Hoser
Written by Boxcar Willy on 11.01.2018 at 00:38

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an update to rating colours?

It irks me that an album with an 8.5 rating is yellow, the same as a a 7 would be.

1-4.9 red, 5-6.9 orange, 7-7.9 yellow, 8-9.9 green and a 10 rating as white would be cool to see.

Just my opinion anyway.

While I wouldn't be against your idea in general, I think your colour scheme may need adjusting. Having a 5 and a 6.9 in the same colour makes me cringe.

As a reviewer, its a little bit frustrating when a commenter thinks you're bombing an album you give a 6 to. While 6 (as you can see in the rating drop-down menu) means "Average". I'd rather not perpetuate the misconception that 6 means "crap".

Overall, not against this idea, but it seems unnecessary.
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13.01.2018 - 03:02
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Written by Doc Godin on 12.01.2018 at 05:22

While I wouldn't be against your idea in general, I think your colour scheme may need adjusting. Having a 5 and a 6.9 in the same colour makes me cringe.

As a reviewer, its a little bit frustrating when a commenter thinks you're bombing an album you give a 6 to. While 6 (as you can see in the rating drop-down menu) means "Average". I'd rather not perpetuate the misconception that 6 means "crap".

Overall, not against this idea, but it seems unnecessary.

That's true, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere in there.
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13.01.2018 - 19:59
Doc Godin
Full Grown Hoser
Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.01.2018 at 03:02

That's true, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere in there.

I'd say a happy medium would be to leave it as is.
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14.01.2018 - 00:59
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Written by Doc Godin on 13.01.2018 at 19:59

I'd say a happy medium would be to leave it as is.


My final attempt , this works with both sides as 6.5+ will show as yellow and subliminally "not crap" and 8+ will show as green, plus an even number between the two.

1-4.9 red
5-6.4 orange
6.5-7.9 yellow
8-10 green (or 8-9.4 green and have a perfect 9.5-10 be white)

You could split it even further and have 1-2.4 brown/black/bad colour and 2.5-4.9 red.
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14.01.2018 - 01:04
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Also, not sure if it's just a bug with me or if it has changed, but having the notification button disappear after checking them is annoying. I had three notifications today when i logged on, I clicked to check one, and after that the button disappears. I can back button it back to the notifications page, but it would be better if the button was there all of the time like it used to be.
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14.01.2018 - 01:54
Marcel Hubregtse
Grumpy Old Fuck
Jeez who cares? It is just numbers and colours? Nothign life threatening.
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16.01.2018 - 14:16
Ilham
Giant robot
I don't think Boxcar feels like it's a life threatening issue lol. I agree that the colours have always appeared misleading to me. It's a valid suggestion especially since it's a minor change and he's not asking for a massive overhaul of the whole system. We always have peons complaining about the rating system, to the point that it becomes seriously grating, so it seems like some people care. The colours and numbers don't exactly match, especially when reviewers often have to defend a 7 rating as being positive. Having an 8 and upwards appear as green would maybe help (or 7.5 or whatever).
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20.01.2018 - 18:40
Doc Godin
Full Grown Hoser
Written by Boxcar Willy on 14.01.2018 at 00:59

Written by Doc Godin on 13.01.2018 at 19:59

I'd say a happy medium would be to leave it as is.


My final attempt , this works with both sides as 6.5+ will show as yellow and subliminally "not crap" and 8+ will show as green, plus an even number between the two.

1-4.9 red
5-6.4 orange
6.5-7.9 yellow
8-10 green (or 8-9.4 green and have a perfect 9.5-10 be white)

You could split it even further and have 1-2.4 brown/black/bad colour and 2.5-4.9 red.

I'll repeat: 6 is not a bad rating. 5 is. If anything I'd be more in favor of bumping yellow down to 6.

The simplest answer would just, someone here said, asign a different colour to each 0.1 rating. I can't imagine it being too hard creating a 100-colour gradual scale.

I'm on the fence between Ilham and Marcel here. On one hand, yeah, the colours can be a little misleading, on the other, really who actually gives that much of a shit?
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20.01.2018 - 19:13
Boxcar Willy
yr a kook
Written by Doc Godin on 20.01.2018 at 18:40

The simplest answer would just, someone here said, asign a different colour to each 0.1 rating. I can't imagine it being too hard creating a 100-colour gradual scale.

Yeah I'm down for the 100 point scale too, then EVERYONE will be satisfied.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2018 at 01:54

Jeez who cares? It is just numbers and colours? Nothign life threatening.


Well this is like... the suggestion thread?
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20.01.2018 - 23:40
VIG
Esoteric Zachism
Written by Doc Godin on 20.01.2018 at 18:40

The simplest answer would just, someone here said, asign a different colour to each 0.1 rating. I can't imagine it being too hard creating a 100-colour gradual scale.

That someone was me, but I deleted my post. 100 colour scale but scores still out of 10, right?
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21.01.2018 - 19:39
Doc Godin
Full Grown Hoser
Written by VIG on 20.01.2018 at 23:40

Written by Doc Godin on 20.01.2018 at 18:40

The simplest answer would just, someone here said, asign a different colour to each 0.1 rating. I can't imagine it being too hard creating a 100-colour gradual scale.

That someone was me, but I deleted my post. 100 colour scale but scores still out of 10, right?

Yeah. I mean, the 0.1 scale (100 different color scale) would be for review/publication purposes where we can assign .1 scores. In essence, nothing would really change aside from the colors in publications (maybe on the regular 1-10 rating bar as well so it matches).

Thats how I envision it at least. I really don't plan on pursuing this outside of this thread. Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion.
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21.01.2018 - 20:38
VIG
Esoteric Zachism
Written by Doc Godin on 21.01.2018 at 19:39

Yeah. I mean, the 0.1 scale (100 different color scale) would be for review/publication purposes where we can assign .1 scores. In essence, nothing would really change aside from the colors in publications (maybe on the regular 1-10 rating bar as well so it matches).

Thats how I envision it at least. I really don't plan on pursuing this outside of this thread. Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion.

I think we should have it like that for every album, so if the avergae rating is a 9, it would show a different color than the average rated album that is 9.1.
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