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01.12.2011 - 17:15Rating: 6
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The last three paragraphs are spot-on as usually. Wonderful review, I must say. I gave this an 8 in the ratings, wanting to separate it from Once and DPP, but it's probably closer to 7,5.
The problem for me is that, after a pause of four years, Tuomas could have come up with something a little less easy-listening.... guess that, since he already wants to be Hans Zimmer, Tim Burton and Johnny Depp in the same time, he kinda neglected the Zimmer-part. Being lighter on orchestras is a good thing, but the naive days of simple, upbeat, power metal riffs are a thing of the past and the band shouldn't attempt to resurrect them as it leaves a bad aftertaste of intentional repetitiveness.
But no biggie, this is quite enjoyable and there are plenty more releases to listen to if one gets bored of this.
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Bravo! I cannot agree more!
I might as well have written this review myself. Though I might have been even more critical. The rating is fair. Every criticism is 100 % correct. All I would add, is that there are almost no decent riffs, the symphonic elements sound far too familiar and uninspired and that "Song Of Myself" is like a parody of previous masterpieces "Dead Boy's Poem" and "The Poet And The Pendulum". Superb review, "meh" album.
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01.12.2011 - 17:22Rating: 6
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Written by Guest on 01.12.2011 at 17:18
"Song Of Myself" is like a parody of previous masterpieces "Dead Boy's Poem" and "The Poet And The Pendulum".
The music part of it isn't all that exciting, but the narration is really nice, I love the accents of the people reading the lines and also some of the lines they're reading. Talk about being attentive, huh.
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Good Job Baz! Pretty much spot on with how I feel about it
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The spoken word on the second to last track kills me lol. IMO they could have scrapped that whole song. ;(
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Written by Milena on 01.12.2011 at 17:22
The music part of it isn't all that exciting, but the narration is really nice, I love the accents of the people reading the lines and also some of the lines they're reading. Talk about being attentive, huh.
I cannot agree with "not too exciting". That is like saying that the bride of Wildenstein is not too pretty. You're too nice, MoraWintersoul
When I listen to that song, it feels like every single riff and melody is an echo of previous songs. I could swear it is almost done on purpose, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why Tuomas would do that. I think he actually thinks the song is good. The spoken lines sound like they were written by Timo Tolkki. I made a joke on another thread about how Tuomas must have confused Tolkki for Tolkien, but it would be lame to say that again. Oops. So yeah, basically I am very disappointed by this album.
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01.12.2011 - 17:44Rating: 6
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Written by Guest on 01.12.2011 at 17:31
The spoken lines sound like they were written by Timo Tolkki. I made a joke on another thread about how Tuomas must have confused Tolkki for Tolkien, but it would be lame to say that again. Oops. So yeah, basically I am very disappointed by this album.
Lol, I'd very much like to believe Tuomas is not yet on the Tolkki level of losing touch with reality... not that I'm that fond of Tuomas, but having two guys like this would really be too much
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Dark Blood The Avenger
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01.12.2011 - 18:04Rating: 9
Pretty good review. I haven't heard the album yet, hope to do it soon enough. And all things considered this is a very surprisingly good rate which turns my enthusiasm a little further.
Maybe the idea of making a film along with a soundtrack album wasn't so bad after all. Looking forward to it.
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darklos
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01.12.2011 - 18:20Rating: 9
Very good review. Yes this album sounds like a soundtrack, but it would be a great soundtrack. I didn't expect too much from this album after listening to Storytime but it really surprised me. It's better album than DPP of course.
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01.12.2011 - 18:21Rating: 10
I like it! Sometimes it seems that I'm listening to the first funny Helloween. but it's right when you say that it's a film soundtrack, songs too longs and, even if i like it, stranges!
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Unhealer Eclecticist
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01.12.2011 - 18:32Rating: 9
I'm currently listening to it for the third time.
IMO, album has some outstanding moments ("Slow, Love, Slow", "Scaretale", "Ghost River") some boring moments ("Turn Loose The Mermaids", "Rest Calm") and some generic Nightwish moments you probably don't want to hear anymore ("Last Ride of the Day", "I Want My Tears Back")
Anyway I really like the album when listened as a whole. But that may be just me and my weakness for concept albums. Also, I can stand Anette in this album as opposite to DPP... not to mention that the album itself is much better than DPP.
For now, it has 8.2 or so from me
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Written by darklos on 01.12.2011 at 18:20
It's better album than DPP of course.
Imaginaerum is Dark Passion Play that had a stroke, fell down the stairs, had another stroke and then got violated by Timo Tolkki and possibly Shinzon.
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01.12.2011 - 19:32Rating: 10
I liked the review for the most part. However, I strongly disagree with the part that says " that the whole thing just feels too much like a film soundtrack than an actual music-focused album". I never got that feeling because I never kept the movie in mind, I accepted the album as completed whole and I listen to it as such, and I think that is the way Imaginearum should be approached. Remember that the movie is a complement to the album, not the other way around!
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01.12.2011 - 21:20Rating: 8
I Just finished listening the album and its definitely a huge album, full of musical adventure. Although, there are some absolutely amazing tracks on here. But also some average ones. Ghost River, Scaretale and Last Ride of the Day are the biggest highlights for me.
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01.12.2011 - 22:13Rating: 8
Written by Guest on 01.12.2011 at 21:29
My basic intention for this effort is that the more complicated does NOT mean the better...
Imaginaerium, complicated? You must be kidding...
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Kuroboshi
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02.12.2011 - 00:21Rating: 5
I wonder how you had rated it if you didn't know it was connected with some movie.
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Regardless of what it's connected to, if it's good it's good, if it sucks it sucks.
Just look at Mastodon's Jonah Hex (sp.) EP.
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Unhealer Eclecticist
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02.12.2011 - 05:48Rating: 9
Written by Kuroboshi on 02.12.2011 at 00:21
I wonder how you had rated it if you didn't know it was connected with some movie.
I wonder why a considerable amount of listeners think the album is based on the film.
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I think it's a little strange you gave the album breakdown ratings of 8, 7, 8, and 10 and yet the whole review is a base 7.0. It just makes me think your rating should be higher. Oh well. I really enjoy this album.
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Written by Unhealer on 02.12.2011 at 05:48
I wonder why a considerable amount of listeners think the album is based on the film.
Because evidence points in that direction, doesn't it? The album even has an end credits song. I am pretty sure that credits are not created for music, but music is written for the credits. This suggests rather strongly that the album is meant to compliment the film and not the other way round. Which makes it a big mistake to release the album first.
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Written by Papa_Ray on 02.12.2011 at 09:34 I think it's a little strange you gave the album breakdown ratings of 8, 7, 8, and 10 and yet the whole review is a base 7.0. It just makes me think your rating should be higher.
Those four categories don't always average out to the final score.
Performance - how well the band plays their music. So they play their instruments well.
Songwriting - the quality of music and lyrics. So the music is above average.
Originality - how original this piece of work is. So it's comparably original.
Production - the quality of sound. So it was incredibly well-produced.
That doesn't mean the album is better than a 7 (or "good" rating).
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The album has been really well arranged, it is as pompous and orchestrated as it can be... but there is no more than that. There is no creativity. If you analize the album as a whole it is true that every song is different from the rest, making it very movie-like. But if you analize it song by song, each piece is extremely repetitive, poor on originality and with extremely basic and easy-listening melodies.
This album has been a HUGE disappointment for me so far. I wouldn't rate it higher than 4 or 5. Tuomas has completely lost his way. Or maybe he's just found it and I don't like it at all. All I'm sure is that this album is SO simple that nobody will be talking about it within one year.
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Written by bodomdragon on 02.12.2011 at 10:55
All I'm sure is that this album is SO simple that nobody will be talking about it within one year.
Oh no, don't forget what the critics said: "It will become a classic!"
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02.12.2011 - 14:52Rating: 8
Great review I must say, like you said, this album sounds much like a soundtrack, that they put alot of effort on the Orchestral arrangements and a little on the actual songwriting, which is petty, coz the album would've sound alot better if they do the compositions the same justice as the orchestra...
Still, the Symphonic parts sound Epic, probably saving some of the songs, like "I Want My Tears Back" (with the awesome tin Wistle), "Scaretale" (with Anette sounding scary sometimes),
but leaving some of the songs really average and below the radar, like "Slow Love Slow" (which the lovely jazz tune doesnt save), "Turn Loose the Mermaids", "The Crow..." and "Rest Calm", and thats why my favorite song is the instrumental piece "Arabesque" besides "Ghost River" and "Last Ride of the Day" which are awesome!! not to mention the lengthy "Song of Myself" that kicks off with a promising start, but ends after a 6 minutes of speech, which is quite disappointing.
Thats why I think DPP is more beautiful than Imaginaerum. but my rating "8.5" is just because I love Soundtracks and Orchestral arrangements
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
02.12.2011 - 15:50Rating: 6
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Written by Guest on 02.12.2011 at 10:10
Because evidence points in that direction, doesn't it? The album even has an end credits song. I am pretty sure that credits are not created for music, but music is written for the credits. This suggests rather strongly that the album is meant to compliment the film and not the other way round. Which makes it a big mistake to release the album first.
Indeed, but if it were released after the movie, everyone would be pissed off, because Tuomas is the only person in the world who gives a shit about that movie what they should have done is just get out there and play music instead of making "big multimedial projects" straight out of their wet dreams.
Guess one of the main reasons why I like this album better than Once and DPP is that I expected it to be the crappiest crap ever, so I was pleasantly surprised when I received something catchy and listenable.
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Written by Milena on 02.12.2011 at 15:50
Indeed, but if it were released after the movie, everyone would be pissed off, because Tuomas is the only person in the world who gives a shit about that movie
It could have been good. Films of that sort can be good sometimes, just look at Fantasia. The thing with movie soundtracks (and this album is a movie soundtrack) is that they aren't meant to be listened to or enjoyed completely independent of the film. Think of some the most well known film music like the Imperial March from Star Wars for example. Nobody listens to that song and simply enjoys the music, it is also about the scenes and characters that the music represented, it's about memories and nostalgia. The Star Wars soundtrack would still be great music even if the films themselves did not exist, but the music definitely has more value because it was in the film. I can imagine the songs on Imaginaerum fitting a film very well. The song "Ghost River" for example would be perfect for a scene where a kid is going down a waterfall or something and if the song was associated with that scene in our minds, then we'd enjoy it that much more, we would always have the combined effect of the audio and visuals in our heads. This is why I feel the film should have been released first or the two should have been released simultaneously. To release a soundtrack before a film is quite frankly idiotic.
Written by Milena on 02.12.2011 at 15:50
what they should have done is just get out there and play music instead of making "big multimedial projects" straight out of their wet dreams.
Yep.
Written by Milena on 02.12.2011 at 15:50
Guess one of the main reasons why I like this album better than Once and DPP is that I expected it to be the crappiest crap ever, so I was pleasantly surprised when I received something catchy and listenable.
I almost wish it had been the crappiest crap ever. Maybe I am a sado-massochist at heart, but I actually take huge disappointments better than small ones. I love to love albums and sometimes I love to hate albums, but what I cannot stand is being left with the feeling of "meh". That's like the worst thing since bagpipes.
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Unhealer Eclecticist
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02.12.2011 - 17:27Rating: 9
Written by Guest on 02.12.2011 at 10:10
Written by Unhealer on 02.12.2011 at 05:48
I wonder why a considerable amount of listeners think the album is based on the film.
Because evidence points in that direction, doesn't it? The album even has an end credits song. I am pretty sure that credits are not created for music, but music is written for the credits. This suggests rather strongly that the album is meant to compliment the film and not the other way round. Which makes it a big mistake to release the album first.
That doesn't prove anything. The "ending credits" song is just sections of all the previous songs of the record pieced together and played in orchestral format.
Leaving out the possibility that this song is just an instrumental to finish the album like several albums do and not a ending credit song (completely legit)... It's completely possible the song was added afterwards when they realized "Hey, It'd be cool to have some ending credits, let's piece all the previous songs into 6 minutes of orchestra".
I say this because they were recording drums and guitar way before announcing the film (and thus, making it). Since the film is recently in the makings, the movie was nothing but a concept in Toumas's head while he was writing the record and therefore, is it just an ordinary concept album.
I really don't think the album is "not complete" if you aren't watching some cheesy movie images while listening to it
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Written by Unhealer on 02.12.2011 at 17:27
I say this because they were recording drums and guitar way before announcing the film (and thus, making it). Since the film is recently in the makings, the movie was nothing but a concept in Toumas's head while he was writing the record and therefore, is it just an ordinary concept album.
That's actually worse, because then it is just poorly written music for which there is no excuse.
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02.12.2011 - 17:46Rating: 9
Written by Guest on 02.12.2011 at 17:35
Written by Unhealer on 02.12.2011 at 17:27
I say this because they were recording drums and guitar way before announcing the film (and thus, making it). Since the film is recently in the makings, the movie was nothing but a concept in Toumas's head while he was writing the record and therefore, is it just an ordinary concept album.
That's actually worse, because then it is just poorly written music for which there is no excuse.
Of course. I you just say "I feel this album is missing something, I don't like it" then I have nothing to say since it is only your opinion.
But I think is a fact it is not missing a cheesy movie to enjoy it 100%.
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Written by Guest on 02.12.2011 at 17:35 it is just poorly written music for which there is no excuse.
Exactly
This IS just poor written music without excuse
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