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Posted by on 22.10.2006 at 20:47
I'm really tired of all the feminists who blames every single bad thing in the society on the men.

A few years ago the leader of the national organisation for women- and girl-helpcenters (dont know the proper english translation) said, in public, that all men are pigs. How the hell can she say something like that? How the hell can women draw the conclusion that ALL men are bad?
Afterwards, when it had been on the first page in every newspaper, there was a reporter who asked her if she still meant what she said. She answered "But all men ARE pigs. Don't YOU think so?"
When I heard that I was like "whoa!" I mean, she sounded like a freakin maniac. I was honestly scared.

Another feminist debate in Sweden was whether we would boycott the FIFA World Cup just because prostitution is legal in Germany. Some stupid feminist (can't remember name) wrote a blog about that men "should take their responsibility". She said that if you're not against it, you're with it. How the hell can she really believe that i can't enjoy football without having to fuck a prostitute after a game? Talk about preconceived opinions.
"Men are pigs" pfff... That fucking feminist blogger is nothing but a filthy animal.

Since a new party started in Swedish politics, Feministic Initiative, I am no longer a feminist. I do believe that men and women should be equal to eachother, but the word feminist has got a new meaning to me. Feminism is now a synonyme to the word "sexism".
This party wanted all men to pay a certain tax that would pay for the rehabilitation of beat up women. Fucking fascists!

And have you heard about the book "The SCUM-manifest"? The author basically says that men are the reason why the world is as bad as it is, and that all women should exterminate the male gender. Hmm, that sounds familiar somehow. Could it be MEIN KAMPF, written by freakin ADOLF HITLER??? Only the word "jew" has been replaced by the word "male".

I am not a feminist, but I am a feminimasculinist. I don't want women to run the world. I want both men AND women to do it. Therefore, I am a feminimasculinist.
All feminists should burn in hell. Boycott feminism.



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Ganondox

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Age: 18
From: USA

  27.06.2014 at 17:54
Written by IronAngel on 26.06.2014 at 17:14

Well, you can safely assume Ilham was. It is, of course, always possible that the girl in the picture does not realize that the sign is nonsensical, but lacking any context, it seems blatantly sarcastic. Her point seems to be to draw attention from social issues like feminism to (in her mind) a much more pressing problem that potentially affects our survival as a species; or more crudely, just to make fun of feminism.

Either way, of course, it's a pretty stupid statement.


That makes sense, I figured IIham wasn't being serious as she is a girl and the preface she gave to the comment, but the girl in the pic is still cute.
Rasputin

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From: USA
  28.09.2014 at 05:13
Written by Mattybu on 23.06.2014 at 21:25

I think Rasputin's problem is the "feminists" he has gotten exposure are all on the internet, and on the internet people can blog all the stupid shit they want, and go ahead and say "if you see a woman walking down the street and stare at them for 3.4 seconds or more it's RAPE AM I RIGHT LADIES???" and then they get a few dumb people to support them, then that's what some people's exposure to it is. Despite there being a small army of people who just take feminism to ridiculous extents the whole idea of it is equality, which I would think a lot of people don't believe simply because of the amount of so called feminists posting stupid shit online who give the goal of what feminism actually is (equality) a bad name.

and here's what I mean by the people who have no idea what they are talking about, and deserve to be thoroughly laughed at:



My problem is that in the entire movement there is no common sense, or an actual cohesive movement to speak off. Every dumb individual who poses as a feminist all of a sudden becomes a sage for the fragmented pockets of so called feminists that they in turn go into herd mentality and start supporting dumb shit. Like Slayer said, "if a guy looks at you for 3.5 seconds, he is Eye Raping you" and that is demeaning to women, yet going into porn, prostitution or stripping gives you a sense of honor because that gives you back your "female agency," like someone took it from you. The sad aspect is that you cannot tell feminists and feminazis apart, since they feed off each other, and they puff, puff, pass their bullshit. I have been to so many conferences where there were tons of women who label themselves feminists, and there were quite a few feminazis, however, the problem is that they don't police each other live, let alone online. So when that bullshit popped up YESallwomen and the like, you can't seem to find anyone to debate the issue. I just think if the feminists from the past were here and now, they would not believe or condone what is going on today, since like I said before, porn industry infiltrated the so called "women empowerment" movement that it seems the only way you can get back that feminine agency is to be a whore, and condone acts of one Belle Knox and call it liberating.
Twilight
IntepridTraveler

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From: The Netherlands

  30.09.2014 at 16:39
Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsB1e-1BB4Y
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And when our eyes will meet there
We will recognize nothing's wrong
Rasputin

Posts: 198
From: USA
  02.10.2014 at 23:59
Watched it, interesting.

This is very interesting too, from your "normal" feminists

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/unlearning-patriarchal-lies/
Azarath

Posts: 482

Age: 31
From: Finland

  06.10.2014 at 20:36
Written by Rasputin on 02.10.2014 at 23:59

Watched it, interesting.

This is very interesting too, from your "normal" feminists

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/unlearning-patriarchal-lies/

I read it expecting some crazy ranting. I left feeling disappointed.

Just what about that did you find objectionable?
Twilight
IntepridTraveler

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From: The Netherlands

  07.10.2014 at 11:48
^ I was thinking the same thing. But maybe he just thinks it's interesting and supports it. Because it is plain common sense to me.
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We will recognize nothing's wrong
Rasputin

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From: USA
  07.10.2014 at 18:40
Ooops, wrong link. When I find the other one, I will post it.
IronAngel

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Age: 25
From: Finland

  16.10.2014 at 19:57
I've been trying to wrap my head around this Gamergate bullshit and Anita Sarkeesian. I think it is a good example of both why feminism is needed and how unintelligent self-proclaimed feminists do harm to the cause. There is no question that Sarkeesian is full of shit, and it's not that her videos reveal any misogyny worth mentioning; but the reaction against them, ironically, does. It doesn't help that all reasonable arguments get dragged into ideological questions of what "side" you're on. It should really only be a question of whether or not you have a point.
Mattybu
#Kony2012

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From: Canada

  16.10.2014 at 23:44
Written by IronAngel on 16.10.2014 at 19:57

I've been trying to wrap my head around this Gamergate bullshit and Anita Sarkeesian.


That bitch (to use some scholarly feminist terminology) is the lesser of two evils, in the simplest way of putting it. Yeah, threatening to shoot up a school is bad (and that could be an empty threat of for all we know or even fabricated completely) but to be honest if you're going to be whack as fuck you don't really deserve to have a prominent voice in any industry.

The thing that leads me to believe it honestly might be fabricated by her to seem like the victim of THE PATRIARCHY is that I doubt even if someone did shoot up a school she would say "ok, I've realized the error of my ways, I'm gonna stop being a retard now". So the people who threatened that are really not accomplishing much even if they were to go through with their plans. Although I guess "they" did accomplish getting her to not give some dumbass speech, but maybe that's what she wanted all along, so she could be the poor victim and get all the sympathy. Who knows.
Rasputin

Posts: 198
From: USA
  17.10.2014 at 21:15
The problem is blaming this mystical patriarchy for everything, the mythological white male privilege, perceived rape culture and the default red herring of victim blaming if you even suggest that the victim contributed to its victimization.

On one side you want to be equal and allegedly portray this idea that you are fighting for the rights of both sexes, but every time sometime displeases you, it is the fault of the patriarchy. The entire concept is a straw man, where you create this illusion that men either as a cohesive unit (conspiracy level) or individually perpetuate and feed this Patriarchy which is defined as a series of micro aggressions or most men, as a result of white male privilege that does not exist. The only people who have this privilege are the wealthy, average male does not have shit. So they begin to deconstruct, movies, video games, shows and just further drive this machinery that alienates males. Not to mention the "Eye Rape" craze that went on for a while, and yesallmen bullshit. Feminists, at least the ones that I see in college live in this world of theory, where everything is theory that becomes a fact, and when you are faced with a challenge, you use the cope out of patriarchy or whatever other feminist jargon suits you. I mean, these are the same females who claim to be strong and independent when it suits them, but when that is challenged then they want special treatment. One inherent thing among all feminists, the moderates and radicals, is this notion that they can never, ever be wrong for anything and they are never responsible for anything, no matter how stupid their choices are. Once you slap the etiquette of "victim" in the Western Society, especially the USA you are somehow above and beyond reproach, and the factors that contributed to your trauma can never and should never be examined. I read something in Psychology about this, it is an interesting phenomena. While I agree that all women should be free to do what they want with their bodies, and go wherever and whenever they please, at the same time I am aware that at this current junction it is rather impossible, since even myself as a male I am not able to go everywhere and do what I want and where I want without serious issues that would arise from it. Once they start using logic and reason instead of emotionally driven arguments that shut down any conversation, much like religious people have a tendency to do, there will be no progress, and there will be a greater rift between the sexes. The other thing is, continuing to perpetuate the same misguided ideology will just create more victims.
IronAngel

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Age: 25
From: Finland

  17.10.2014 at 22:09
You make some good points (though you also make some indefensible generalisations about victimisation etc.), but I think you miss the point of "patriarchy"; patriarchy, such as it is, is not something all men are in on or contribute to. It is a structure, a discourse, an assumption which places certain men - "patriarchs" - in a privileged or hegemonous position in society. Not all men are patriarchs, and every individual in a society - man, woman, of whatever social status - is defined somehow in relation to the patriarchy. A good feminist knows this. The situations of men and women aren't by no means the same in society, but they're both conditioned in various specific ways by surrounding power structures, norms, gender discourse or whatever. This perspective was fruitfully used in an article on bachelor sons of patrician families in Renaissance Florence by I-don't-remember-who. My point is, we can talk about the patriarchy but it doesn't mean a war of individual men (or even Men as a category) against women; it means a certain social order which imposes certain norms and expectations on both men and women (it's hardly easy or optional for the son of a wealthy family to adopt the restricting role of a patriarch, for example). I don't think the patriarchy is some scary bogey-man that needs to be pulled out at every juncture, but it is good to be aware of these historical structures that still affect the way we're socialised.

I don't know just how accurate or how useful it is as a concept for analysing modern society, but it's cerainly applicable for a historian like myself. But, to be fair, I don't think modern gender studies really rely on the concept as much as, say, in the heyday of the 70s. In any case, it needs to be qualified.
Rasputin

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From: USA
  18.10.2014 at 00:41
Written by IronAngel on 17.10.2014 at 22:09

You make some good points (though you also make some indefensible generalisations about victimisation etc.), but I think you miss the point of "patriarchy"; patriarchy, such as it is, is not something all men are in on or contribute to. It is a structure, a discourse, an assumption which places certain men - "patriarchs" - in a privileged or hegemonous position in society. Not all men are patriarchs, and every individual in a society - man, woman, of whatever social status - is defined somehow in relation to the patriarchy. A good feminist knows this. The situations of men and women aren't by no means the same in society, but they're both conditioned in various specific ways by surrounding power structures, norms, gender discourse or whatever. This perspective was fruitfully used in an article on bachelor sons of patrician families in Renaissance Florence by I-don't-remember-who. My point is, we can talk about the patriarchy but it doesn't mean a war of individual men (or even Men as a category) against women; it means a certain social order which imposes certain norms and expectations on both men and women (it's hardly easy or optional for the son of a wealthy family to adopt the restricting role of a patriarch, for example). I don't think the patriarchy is some scary bogey-man that needs to be pulled out at every juncture, but it is good to be aware of these historical structures that still affect the way we're socialised.

I don't know just how accurate or how useful it is as a concept for analysing modern society, but it's cerainly applicable for a historian like myself. But, to be fair, I don't think modern gender studies really rely on the concept as much as, say, in the heyday of the 70s. In any case, it needs to be qualified.

I'm not making generalizations, I am just using the experiences I had when discussing with various feminists from the USA. I just had a huge debate two weeks ago in which I got deleted from the group because I did not contribute to their pity party. One of the members was recounting her tale how she almost got attacked and she escaped, and when she called the Cops, the Cops said that they could not do much for her, since no physical contact was made, the guy was gone and they only have her word against his. She called this Rape Culture and perfect example of Patriarchy. I wondered would she have said the same thing if the police officers were female and told her the same thing. While I do believe her that the incident almost happened, at the same time we have to use evidence to prove something, but what I see that is happening more and more, especially now on College campuses in the USA (check California) is this notion that if a female reports that she was raped or assaulted that is fool proof and could not and should not be questioned. So what in fact they are doing, is trying to coerce a change in legislation where you could accuse anyone of anything with no evidence, and that your words are truth and that's that. I believe I used this example time and time again in discussions with them (when you can have a discussion that does not turn into, feminist jargon fest of "slut shaming" "victim blaming" "misogyny") when you have two intoxicated individuals having sex. Morning comes, she's not happy with her choice, and she accuses him of raping her. There are numerous cases where innocent men were sentenced to prison for something they did not commit. What this alerts me too, is giving a female, and only a female (since a man stating he was raped by a woman is dismissed and laughed at) has the sole right to dictate if something was rape just because she can. This is why I cringe when I hear men getting arrested and sentenced with no evidence, no forensic evidence to speak off. Yeah, I had a sex with a guy last week, he pissed me off, so I'm going to say he raped me, and boom, the guy is done. I'm not the one who has a wrong view on "Patriarchy" that is not my jargon, I'm just pointing out what I perceived over several years, and I already know ahead where the discussion ends on any of these topics. That is a big issue. While I agree with your definition of what patriarchy may be, or may have been, I doubt the feminists would see it as such. You know, for a group who's allegedly willing to discuss things, they really do not like to communicate with anyone who uses logic and reason that is contrary to their emotion fueled theories. So, going back to my story, for the next 20 posts, they ranted and raved about it, and threw a pity party, and the only thing I asked was how will she try to prevent something from happening again. They got pissed of course, told me I was "victim blaming" and told me that there was no lesson to be learned here, that she was not responsible for anything and that the patriarchy was. And that is exactly what I am talking about. Another interesting thing I found out was that what I say depends on my gender. One time I told my female friend to join the group and type what I tell her to type, and surprisingly she did not get banned, however, the feminists formed up and tried to "correct" her way of thinking which was massively influenced by the patriarchy.

Ultimately, what happens is that even if you have the feminists who are normal and logical, they are rarely heard, because their voices are drowned in a sea of nonsense. And also, as the years go buy, I see that the feminist movement is becoming more militant, and that they themselves continue to utilize "micro aggressions" and sometimes full on verbal assault because they disagree and are unwilling to debate. What we will find happening, and it is happening right now, is the fact that feminism on top of shooting itself in the foot, and being a detriment for the whole equality movement and women rights, is ostracizing males and continues to fuel a gender/sex war. They claim they are about equality and that they care about men, but every time there is a conference on male issues, they threaten with violence and even terrorism. I think most recently there was an issue in Detroit or someplace like that, where the meeting had to be cancelled since the feminists had a problem with that and the conference people got death threats and bomb threats. In my eyes, feminism became a monster, and went way off the path of actual equality, and I think that the old feminists from 1900's and beyond, could not believe what kind of a disaster it resulted in. I am pro women rights, just not feminism if that makes any sense to you.
IronAngel

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Age: 25
From: Finland

  18.10.2014 at 11:09
Again, I agree with you, but you're still generalising. Based on your own experience or not, things like "I doubt the feminists would see it as such" and "one inherent thing among all feminists --- is this notion that they can never, ever be wrong for anything and they are never responsible for anything" are pretty gross generalisations. I'm not even going to go down the tired road of "but this isn't what feminism and good feminists are about"; even without any argument to the contrary, the polemic and polarising nature of such sweeping statements should be obvious. I mean, I definitely identify as a feminist, but I don't recognise myself in your description (except that I'm never wrong, ha). I have been caught in just the kind of bullshit debates on Facebook as you describe; not because I was "less" feminist than my opponent but because I challenged her dogmatic generalisations and tried to actually focus on the specific issue she raised. That's one problem in these debates: recourse to big ideological stances and theories and not a rigid focus specifics. Individual cases are hand-waved as belonging to some general trend ("patriarchy" or "rape-culture") instead of investigating what's wrong with this individual case, if anything.

What you're describing isn't somehow inherent to feminism, I think. It has more to to do with social media, with every uneducated, unintelligent pleb with a righteous anger suddenly having the means to express themselves; indeed, everyone is expected to have an opinion and take a stance on big issues, whether they have the capacity or not. We live in an era of social justice warriors. Mob mentality is everywhere on the internet, among men and women alike, and god forbid you try to have a reasonable conversation in a Facebook group or YouTube comments on anything even slightly unorthodox - the rights of pedophiles, animals, multiculturalism, whatever.

I don't know if you've read it, but Caitlin Moran's recent best-seller, How to Be a Woman, was a pretty level-headed, funny and perceptive expression of feminism. There was no mention of "rape culture", just a very practical look at some of the mundane, every-day issues that women have to deal with in their lives. In her opinion, there's no reason to be afraid of the word "feminism" since it has nothing to do with the way it's being wielded by internet social justice warriors. I agree with her that women aren't systematically or maliciously, or at all, oppressed by men, but there are still plenty of structures and just small, practical things that put women in a more difficult position (I should know, watching my wife making a career in the still male-dominated, traditional academia), and plenty of taboos and norms that make it difficult to know just how to become a woman. (Though growing up to be a man has its difficulties, too; Moran's is a semiautobiography, so obviously that's not her focus.) I mean, this myth that feminism "nowadays" is corrupt and twisted and equals the BS you see on YouTube is just not true; there's plenty of good feminist literature out there.
Mattybu
#Kony2012

Posts: 2353
From: Canada

  18.10.2014 at 19:10
Written by Rasputin on 18.10.2014 at 00:41

Ultimately, what happens is that even if you have the feminists who are normal and logical, they are rarely heard, because their voices are drowned in a sea of nonsense. And also, as the years go buy, I see that the feminist movement is becoming more militant, and that they themselves continue to utilize "micro aggressions" and sometimes full on verbal assault because they disagree and are unwilling to debate. What we will find happening, and it is happening right now, is the fact that feminism on top of shooting itself in the foot, and being a detriment for the whole equality movement and women rights, is ostracizing males and continues to fuel a gender/sex war. They claim they are about equality and that they care about men, but every time there is a conference on male issues, they threaten with violence and even terrorism. I think most recently there was an issue in Detroit or someplace like that, where the meeting had to be cancelled since the feminists had a problem with that and the conference people got death threats and bomb threats. In my eyes, feminism became a monster, and went way off the path of actual equality, and I think that the old feminists from 1900's and beyond, could not believe what kind of a disaster it resulted in. I am pro women rights, just not feminism if that makes any sense to you.


Seen a few mans trash talking you on this site and probably for other reasons but you definitely aren't dumb about some things you bring up some good points here. I don't think you can really be pro womens right and anti feminist though. Like IronAngel said (and it becomes tiresome to repeat) feminism isn't about the retards who don't listen to logic and rely on jargon that claims the patriarchy is out to get them in every situation. But I get what you're saying. Being against the stubborn, militant, hypocritical, ignorant type feminists is all good with me
Rasputin

Posts: 198
From: USA
  18.10.2014 at 19:15
I agree with you. And now I didn't hear about that book. I will check it out. I think because of that mob mentality is why the feminism is in stagnation as is actually retrograding. While there may be great literature there, and level headed feminists, it is hard to find them. Every year I go to academic conferences and meet hundreds of women, and one thing that I keep noticing, regardless of the education level, is the lack of critical thinking outside of their field. And I keep listening to PhD students, Professors and Master level students go into this circular argument where the individuality of the situation you mention is not addressed, and huffingtonpost and bitchmedia and few other places are utilized and glorified exclusively, on top of utilizing the preapproved feminist theory such as Mary Wollstonecraft, Betty Friedan and few others.

Don't you think that the internet has more influence over people as a whole? I mean, while do not disagree that there are people out there that are feminists that want equality and are above this BS jargon that keeps getting thrown around, the mob rule is overwhelming. I think because of these internet warriors is why we have an issue in the first place, where they create a gender war and start thriving on conflict.
Rasputin

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From: USA
  18.10.2014 at 19:21
Written by Mattybu on 18.10.2014 at 19:10

Written by Rasputin on 18.10.2014 at 00:41

Ultimately, what happens is that even if you have the feminists who are normal and logical, they are rarely heard, because their voices are drowned in a sea of nonsense. And also, as the years go buy, I see that the feminist movement is becoming more militant, and that they themselves continue to utilize "micro aggressions" and sometimes full on verbal assault because they disagree and are unwilling to debate. What we will find happening, and it is happening right now, is the fact that feminism on top of shooting itself in the foot, and being a detriment for the whole equality movement and women rights, is ostracizing males and continues to fuel a gender/sex war. They claim they are about equality and that they care about men, but every time there is a conference on male issues, they threaten with violence and even terrorism. I think most recently there was an issue in Detroit or someplace like that, where the meeting had to be cancelled since the feminists had a problem with that and the conference people got death threats and bomb threats. In my eyes, feminism became a monster, and went way off the path of actual equality, and I think that the old feminists from 1900's and beyond, could not believe what kind of a disaster it resulted in. I am pro women rights, just not feminism if that makes any sense to you.


Seen a few mans trash talking you on this site and probably for other reasons but you definitely aren't dumb about some things you bring up some good points here. I don't think you can really be pro womens right and anti feminist though. Like IronAngel said (and it becomes tiresome to repeat) feminism isn't about the retards who don't listen to logic and rely on jargon that claims the patriarchy is out to get them in every situation. But I get what you're saying. Being against the stubborn, militant, hypocritical, ignorant type feminists is all good with me

Oh yeah, I have a little fan base here for quite some time. Let's say my views are a tad bit radical, and let's assume that I just don't care and say whatever I want. People think that whatever is said here is true, and that the person who's saying it, is serious. I love internet because of that reason. So many roles to play.

I think I can, since I don't think that those two terms are not synonyms anymore, at least if we are to trust the internet. So until those stubborn, militant, hypocritical and ignorant type feminists are gone...I will be an anti-feminist...which means, a fuckload of time
Mattybu
#Kony2012

Posts: 2353
From: Canada

  18.10.2014 at 19:29
Written by Rasputin on 18.10.2014 at 19:21

Oh yeah, I have a little fan base here for quite some time. Let's say my views are a tad bit radical, and let's assume that I just don't care and say whatever I want. People think that whatever is said here is true, and that the person who's saying it, is serious. I love internet because of that reason. So many roles to play.

I think I can, since I don't think that those two terms are not synonyms anymore, at least if we are to trust the internet. So until those stubborn, militant, hypocritical and ignorant type feminists are gone...I will be an anti-feminist...which means, a fuckload of time


Well, I like it when people speak their mind. Even if it is bullshit, then you get a chance to tell them they're saying bullshit, and it's interesting to hear honest perspectives as opposed to the same stuff over and over.

As far as the terminology goes I look at it like the word "literally". People have misused the word "literally" so much nowadays that, as defined by the dictionary it can actually mean "figuratively". But when someone says "literally", I assume they mean the original meaning. So I sort of relate it to feminism in that way. Yes many members of the group have warped the goals/ideology, but at the same time when I hear someone is a feminist I will still give them some chance, because they're not all bad. But again I get what you're saying.

The ones that get attention on the internet are usually bad though
Rasputin

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From: USA
  18.10.2014 at 19:40
Written by Mattybu on 18.10.2014 at 19:29

Written by Rasputin on 18.10.2014 at 19:21

Oh yeah, I have a little fan base here for quite some time. Let's say my views are a tad bit radical, and let's assume that I just don't care and say whatever I want. People think that whatever is said here is true, and that the person who's saying it, is serious. I love internet because of that reason. So many roles to play.

I think I can, since I don't think that those two terms are not synonyms anymore, at least if we are to trust the internet. So until those stubborn, militant, hypocritical and ignorant type feminists are gone...I will be an anti-feminist...which means, a fuckload of time


Well, I like it when people speak their mind. Even if it is bullshit, then you get a chance to tell them they're saying bullshit, and it's interesting to hear honest perspectives as opposed to the same stuff over and over.

As far as the terminology goes I look at it like the word "literally". People have misused the word "literally" so much nowadays that, as defined by the dictionary it can actually mean "figuratively". But when someone says "literally", I assume they mean the original meaning. So I sort of relate it to feminism in that way. Yes many members of the group have warped the goals/ideology, but at the same time when I hear someone is a feminist I will still give them some chance, because they're not all bad. But again I get what you're saying.

The ones that get attention on the internet are usually bad though

I would support Equalism, without the gender warfare and bullshit from either side. I find it interesting that there is very little dialogue going on, there is only finger pointing (mostly done by female actually since the guys are "i don't give a fuck" for the most part)

Well, what can I say...I'm a bad, bad man...when I want to be
Twilight
IntepridTraveler

Posts: 1164
From: The Netherlands

  Today at 00:05
So yeah. Okay. Let's not call it 'feminism' anymore. But I hope I do not need to stress that there still is a huge problem with equality.
And yes; for both male and female there are problems that coexist because of the other. Some men are now frightened of women who stand up for themselves. Still there are a lot of women who get death threats just because of a blog about problems they encounter in their life just because of their gender. So first it was Anita, now it is Felicia Day. And there are many others.

Please read this: http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate
And this: http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10/23/3583347/felicia-day-gamergate/

I am getting tired of this throwing of shit to every other group of people that says they're being discriminated. If they are, then for god's sake, let's talk. What is so hard about listening to each other? This stuff is still happening a lot. And yes, for both genders. But it's real. Is it so hard to admit that? I am really not surprised there are some women who've gotten sick of men by now. Because I too was surprised at what some men just say without hesitation, without any sign of thought about it. I didn't think it happened so often, but it does. If I would get shit over me day after day because of some birds flying over the place all the time, I would start to hate birds too.
But let's not feel offended for something you didn't do. If you don't think you've offended someone, then don't be upset. But it does need some thought, in my opinion. This is something beneath the surface that needs to be dealt with. It needs awareness.

I've read some blogs (in Dutch, so no use posting them here) of women being discriminated in horrible ways. Jokes about rape. Things I read and think 'What the FUCK are these people? Why is this happening?' I am really disappointed in society. This shit just needs to stop. Can't we just acknowledge there are problems instead of denying them?

Maybe I am making things too big. But I don't see that as a problem. Let it be big. Because this really needs to be talked about. If people here support equalism, then let's do this!

I think this needs way more attention than it is getting right now. It is the only way to get this to a higher level and debate. More people should talk about this. How is it happening that women get death threats and don't even dare to leave their house anymore because of some things they said online?

By the way, where have all the women that once posted in this thread gone?
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And when our eyes will meet there
We will recognize nothing's wrong

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