Written by IronAngel on 23.06.2015 at 00:29
You are at your strongest when you pick on the easy targets of supposed feminism in low-brow media, but the fact that they are wrong does not make you right, or feminism a bad idea. You have not presented any positive argument in your favor that hasn't been countered or wasn't compatible with feminism.

Written by Angelic Storm on 24.06.2015 at 08:23

Written by IronAngel on 23.06.2015 at 00:29
You are at your strongest when you pick on the easy targets of supposed feminism in low-brow media, but the fact that they are wrong does not make you right, or feminism a bad idea. You have not presented any positive argument in your favor that hasn't been countered or wasn't compatible with feminism.

No need to engage in a pointless "debate" with Rasputin, what you've said here is 100% correct. The big mistake Rasputin makes is equating a minority, extremist wing of feminism as representative of feminism itself. Which is very foolish. But he is a sexist, and homophobe, so that should come as no surprise to anybody.

Written by IronAngel on 23.06.2015 at 21:38


Looking at someone sexually is exercising you freedom to see. Whether you're objectifying the object of your gaze depends on your attitude and what else you do; do you believe they exist, or (should) dress up, purely for your viewing pleasure? Do you think it is appropriate to make rude sexual advances and get offended when they aren't welcomed? Or do you smile politely if they meet your gaze, and recognise they are a person?

The problem with accusations of objectification is that it's impossible to get inside someone's head and see what they really think. We're left with evaluating external behaviour. But it's not hard to know how you yourself should behave: be polite, be nice, whether you're dealing with a man or a woman. It's perfectly alright to treat the cashier as a means to your ends (of buying food), just like you are a means to my end of getting heard/influencing opinion, or like a busty woman in a low-cut top is an object of my sexual gaze, but only as long as you are prepared to also treat them as another human being - politely and fairly.

Written by IronAngel on 23.06.2015 at 00:29

Written by Rasputin on 22.06.2015 at 23:21


Do you realize what you have just written? All of this would brand you as a stare-rapist, creeper and misogynist. LMAO, you just admitted sexually objectifying women, and that is a big no no among Feminists. Do me a favor, drop this paragraph to some American Feminist sites, let's see how long will you last.

According to modern feminism, it is your fault for oogling women, and everything is wrong by enjoying the opposite sex, because you are taking away their female agency by reducing them to a sex object. You need to control your sexuality buddy, you need to shut that part of your brain down, because Feminists want you to. We are not animals, so stop acting like one.

Then those "feminists" would be stupid and wrong. And I have never suggested the majority aren't: feminists are like any other people, and most people are fucking stupid. But your caricature is not very accurate; I have no doubt some populists would have that kneejerk reaction, but intelligent people wouldn't misuse terminology so.

Objectification, for example, does not mean treating someone as an object of your purposes - sexual or otherwise. It means reducing someone to an object, and recognizing in them no other value. It is what Kant's categorical imperative means: you mustn't treat another "merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end." We are objects to each other, but that is not all we are. Simone de Beauvoir understood this: the human condition is the ambiguity of being a subject to oneself and an object to others. I seem to recall that she especially stressed this dualism in a sexual encounter, when one becomes aware of the other as a subject and oneself as an object of desire/pleasure. Do not claim that feminist theory is unaware of this. It is extremely probable that most uneducated individuals have misinterpreted this stuff, but that has nothing to do with the validity of the argument.

Your focus is continually on what other people say and believe. That should have little bearing on the topic: every feminist on the planet might be a terrible person twisting their ideology for their own nefarious purposes, but feministic arguments could still be entirely correct. You are at your strongest when you pick on the easy targets of supposed feminism in low-brow media, but the fact that they are wrong does not make you right, or feminism a bad idea. You have not presented any positive argument in your favor that hasn't been countered or wasn't compatible with feminism.

Written by Rasputin on 24.06.2015 at 22:32
Normal feminist for a change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ewU33EdNnM&feature=youtu.be

Written by ixsetf on 27.06.2015 at 04:20

Written by Rasputin on 24.06.2015 at 22:32
Normal feminist for a change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ewU33EdNnM&feature=youtu.be

I have generally agreed with what this woman has said in the videos I've seen, but I wouldn't consider her a normal feminist. Normal would mean that her views are usual, but for most issues there are few feminists out there that side with her. For proof, just look in the comments section. A major Men's Rights Activist, Karen Straughan, often makes comments indicating her agreement with the content of The Factual Feminist's videos.

Written by Rasputin on 27.06.2015 at 05:13
Which is interesting if you take a look at the other video I posted. If Sommers is a feminist, if Karen is supporting her, I have no problem with that type of thinking, because it is based in logic and reason, however, what I keep seeing, hearing and being bombarded by is the wave after wave of modern day feminists who are against everything either are saying. Like I said before, while I do not want to dismiss entire feminism as a whole, I am forced to, because feminists like the ones from the second video are polluting and destroying anything positive from being created, and Feminist is a word with a negative trait, you cannot use it anymore and expect it to be regarded as positive and equal, because simply the current dialogue or lack of it, is pointing to the contrary.

If we have women who are agreeing with me "the lunatic" "sexist" "misogynist" and fighting against the same things I am fighting against, what does that say about them? Are they all those things, or are we finally gonna sit down and say "fuck, we have a problem here."

#yesallmen
#killallmen
In my eyes is a problem.

Written by Rasputin on 24.06.2015 at 22:32
Addition. ROFL!!!
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/male-feminist-rules-to-follow/

Written by ixsetf on 27.06.2015 at 08:49

Written by Rasputin on 27.06.2015 at 05:13
Which is interesting if you take a look at the other video I posted. If Sommers is a feminist, if Karen is supporting her, I have no problem with that type of thinking, because it is based in logic and reason, however, what I keep seeing, hearing and being bombarded by is the wave after wave of modern day feminists who are against everything either are saying. Like I said before, while I do not want to dismiss entire feminism as a whole, I am forced to, because feminists like the ones from the second video are polluting and destroying anything positive from being created, and Feminist is a word with a negative trait, you cannot use it anymore and expect it to be regarded as positive and equal, because simply the current dialogue or lack of it, is pointing to the contrary.

If we have women who are agreeing with me "the lunatic" "sexist" "misogynist" and fighting against the same things I am fighting against, what does that say about them? Are they all those things, or are we finally gonna sit down and say "fuck, we have a problem here."

#yesallmen
#killallmen
In my eyes is a problem.

The thing about feminism is that many people have stopped using the dictionary definition of it, many others pretended to stop using the dictionary definition while still using it anyway, and almost everyone has attached the existence of the patriarchy and a bunch of other extra ideas to it.

Written by Rasputin on 24.06.2015 at 22:32
Addition. ROFL!!!
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/male-feminist-rules-to-follow/

This would be a lot more funny if I didn't personally know multiple people who use this site and others advocating very similar ideas. There is a lot of pressure to pretend to accept this sort of thing as the truth, and I've been chewed out multiple times for not fully supporting it.

Written by Candlemass on 05.07.2015 at 19:37

Always fun to watch:


Just in time after my quite usual rants ("lack of respect for empiricism"), Gary Edwards started a new video series named "The Empirical Left". How would the political left look like without being 'interpretive' i.e. wasted by what we call 'sociology faculty'?

Written by Rasputin on 04.07.2015 at 10:34

Mores stupidity from modern feminism
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/tattoos-are-not-invitations/

Written by IronAngel on 07.07.2015 at 12:47

Written by Rasputin on 04.07.2015 at 10:34

Mores stupidity from modern feminism
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/tattoos-are-not-invitations/

Her arguments here are overblown and thus unconvincing - "it's for me", "invading her time", whatever. But I don't see how the bottom line is stupid. It's just common courtesy: you should keep a respectful distance from people and only comment when it is natural and you genuinely think it is a welcome compliment. This applies to both men and women and is more about politeness than feminism, but if it is an especially common issue for a tattooed woman, it is good to be aware of that and take it into consideration. You don't need to lap up everything she says, but you should be grateful for any advice that helps you be a gentleman rather than a jerk.

Gary Edwards' channel seems interesting, gonna watch that Empirical Left playlist at some point.

Written by deadone on 14.07.2015 at 09:53

Judging by even recent comments on MS by some posters, women's rights and equality still has a long way to go.

Written by deadone on 15.07.2015 at 01:51

If it's maniacblasphemer on the Enabler thread then it gets worse. Dude's a piece of shit though it would appear his culture has engrained issues with this kind of thing (like many Eastern Europeans I've encountered including a lot from where I was born).

Written by Guest on 31.07.2015 at 16:40

Feminism should really start happening in the Arab world, because (we) Arabs treat women like an objects, and mostly they have no rights thanks to ISLAM and society.

Written by deadone on 15.09.2015 at 07:30

I was just about to put this up.

Interesting stuff - I believe women can do almost everything men can but combat is a very specialised area.

How are the Israelis going with the mainly female Caracal batallion?

Written by Guest on 15.09.2015 at 16:42

It's getting harder and harder to distinguish The Guardian from the Daily Mash these days.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/14/helen-mirren-arms-necks-sexism