French power trio hehe, Macry, Holy and Sarky.

Nuclear power trio are better

Cover looks like the With Hearts Towards None.

No actual date?

March 23rd

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Deathspell_Omega/The_Long_Defeat/1025837

Pre-order options available:

https://www.noevdia.com/2022-03-15-deathspell-omega-lifvsleda-noevdia/

Written by Summit on 16.03.2022 at 00:25

Cover looks like the With Hearts Towards None.

Totally. Also reminds me of Insomnium - Winter's Gate.

Wow.. that was out of a sudden! Very pleasant surprise!

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Also because dissonant black is currently overused and it's gonna feel like a deathspell omega clone

Written by Karlabos on 16.03.2022 at 15:45


Also because dissonant black is currently overused and it's gonna feel like a deathspell omega clone

Yeah I think it is fair to assume that it will not be musically revolutionary. I highly doubt that they can ever live up to the legacy of their mid-2000s again. However, people would not hate a band and refuse to review them just because they are generic and past their prime.

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Well, I for one am not privy to any of this ugh, ugh, complex, ugh, stuff, man. Apparently, new "stuff" has come to light.

I'm looking forward to the release but now you've peaked my curiosity.

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

So.....you may want to do more research on this, as the band members responsible for the songwriting (2 out of 3) were interviewed back in 2019 and offered clarification on lyrical inspiration as well as political ideologies. Hence, if you're one to only assume to have believed some ignorant source like the Banger TV album review channel (making a quick assumption there), then yes, there's more reliable information from the sources themselves. Long story short, only the vocalist has ties to NSBM, not the songwriters.

http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2019/06/23/deathspell-omega-interview/

Written by TheBigRossowski on 16.03.2022 at 22:06

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Well, I for one am not privy to any of this ugh, ugh, complex, ugh, stuff, man. Apparently, new "stuff" has come to light.

I'm looking forward to the release but now you've peaked my curiosity.

Also, the below is taken from the band's wikipedia page, which is also from the 2019 interview link I shared.

Without naming any of their members directly, the band also confirmed suspicions of an ideological rift within the band, noting, "A minority of the collective’s contributors – shall we say, parts of the second circle – who’ve been invited to partake because of their incredible talents as musicians are involved with earthly politics, but stand on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum and are therefore irreconcilable political foes." However, they noted that the music and lyrics were authored by the "French core of the collective". This clarification was made in the wake of backlash against Deathspell Omega due to their long time collaboration with Mikko Aspa who has long been accused of having connections and links with various NSBM acts from a myriad of European metal scenes.

Written by TheShadow on 17.03.2022 at 00:57

So.....you may want to do more research on this
Long story short, only the vocalist has ties to NSBM, not the songwriters.

Quote:
I of course am very proud of the brilliant actions of intolerance that took place during the National-Socialist era in Germany, and in Europe during WW2. To gaz the jews and so many liberal thinking people was fantastic. We, in Deathspell Omega, are definitely fascistic thinking people, and proud of it

Source: Mikko Aspa interviewing the French section of DsO long before he became a member

Still confident that your research was thorough and without bias?

Written by TheShadow on 17.03.2022 at 00:57



So.....you may want to do more research on this, as the band members responsible for the songwriting (2 out of 3) were interviewed back in 2019 and offered clarification on lyrical inspiration as well as political ideologies. Hence, if you're one to only assume to have believed some ignorant source like the Banger TV album review channel (making a quick assumption there), then yes, there's more reliable information from the sources themselves. Long story short, only the vocalist has ties to NSBM, not the songwriters.

http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2019/06/23/deathspell-omega-interview/

I think you need to do more research and read the interview that the core members had with Mikko, where they supported the genocidal actions of Nazi Germany.
Oh Starvynth has already quoted you on this, and you can check the interview easily.

Now I don't think it is impossible for once-nazi ppl to get partial redemption if 1- they confess they were a bunch of angry misfits and losers when they supported killing millions of innocent ppl and 2- they stablish that they have grown out of that phase. With DsO offering pretentious psedu- intellectualism instead of proper answer regarding their ideology, I am not willing to consider them as anything but garbage human beings.

Written by Starvynth on 17.03.2022 at 01:27


So.....you may want to do more research on this..
[the interview]

Thanks. It would have been very difficult for me to post this using my phone

Written by Starvynth on 17.03.2022 at 01:27

Written by TheShadow on 17.03.2022 at 00:57

So.....you may want to do more research on this

Quote:
I of course am very proud of the brilliant actions of intolerance that took place during the National-Socialist era in Germany, and in Europe during WW2. To gaz the jews and so many liberal thinking people was fantastic. We, in Deathspell Omega, are definitely fascistic thinking people, and proud of it

Source: Mikko Aspa interviewing the French section of DsO long before he became a member

Still confident that your research was thorough and without bias?

I believe it's Shaxul answering the interview, not Hasjarl
And anyway, let's not forget it's a 22 years old interview of angsty teenage edgelord as well, talking about this is like people saying Neige is nazi
Seeing their recent interviews, I believe the "new" DsO is the opposite of this, but they enjoy the ambiguity

Written by koob on 17.03.2022 at 09:19

talking about this is like people saying Neige is nazi

Neige specifically came out against nazi ideology in response to his time in Peste Noire, nor is he still working with any of them. DsO never did any of that and they're still making music with Aspa.

Written by koob on 17.03.2022 at 09:19

Seeing their recent interviews, I believe the "new" DsO is the opposite of this, but they enjoy the ambiguity

Maybe. But maybe it's the case that the band has united individuals who ideologically fit together very well right from the start? And I think that's much more likely than grandiloquent and pseudo-intellectual stories about converted ex-fascists who just happen to have to work with a still-Nazi out of their mutual love for art.

The members of DsO are many things (musicians, businessmen, scumbags...), but they are not stupid. They know very well that by glorifying Nazi ideology you can reach the very fanbase you feel connected to and want to reach. But they know just as well that the zeitgeist is different than it was 20 years ago and that you can sell a lot more albums now if you sweep your old beliefs under the rug and trust in the naivety of your new fanbase. The fact that there are still people who fully defend this band despite their more than dubious statements and connections to the NS scene only shows that the math works.
If they at least had the guts to apologize for what they said 20 years ago, I might still buy their alleged purification and ideological U-turn, but in my view their current approach is nothing but outrageous hypocrisy.

Written by RaduP on 17.03.2022 at 10:12

Written by koob on 17.03.2022 at 09:19

talking about this is like people saying Neige is nazi

Neige specifically came out against nazi ideology in response to his time in Peste Noire, nor is he still working with any of them. DsO never did any of that and they're still making music with Aspa.

Fair enough about them still making music with Aspa
They have came out about nazi accusations in their interview though

Written by Starvynth on 17.03.2022 at 10:55

Written by koob on 17.03.2022 at 09:19

Seeing their recent interviews, I believe the "new" DsO is the opposite of this, but they enjoy the ambiguity

Maybe. But maybe it's the case that the band has united individuals who ideologically fit together very well right from the start? And I think that's much more likely than grandiloquent and pseudo-intellectual stories about converted ex-fascists who just happen to have to work with a still-Nazi out of their mutual love for art.

The members of DsO are many things (musicians, businessmen, scumbags...), but they are not stupid. They know very well that by glorifying Nazi ideology you can reach the very fan base you feel connected to and want to reach. But they know just as well that the zeitgeist is different than it was 20 years ago and that you can sell a lot more albums now if you sweep your old beliefs under the rug and trust in the naivety of your new fanbase. The fact that there are still people who fully defend this band despite their more than dubious statements and connections to the NS scene only shows that the math works.
If they at least had the guts to apologize for what they said 20 years ago, I might still buy their alleged purification and ideological U-turn, but in my view their current approach is nothing but outrageous hypocrisy.

I don't agree at all but I understand your point

Written by TheShadow on 17.03.2022 at 00:59

Written by TheBigRossowski on 16.03.2022 at 22:06

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Well, I for one am not privy to any of this ugh, ugh, complex, ugh, stuff, man. Apparently, new "stuff" has come to light.

I'm looking forward to the release but now you've peaked my curiosity.

Also, the below is taken from the band's wikipedia page, which is also from the 2019 interview link I shared.

Without naming any of their members directly, the band also confirmed suspicions of an ideological rift within the band, noting, "A minority of the collective’s contributors – shall we say, parts of the second circle – who’ve been invited to partake because of their incredible talents as musicians are involved with earthly politics, but stand on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum and are therefore irreconcilable political foes." However, they noted that the music and lyrics were authored by the "French core of the collective". This clarification was made in the wake of backlash against Deathspell Omega due to their long time collaboration with Mikko Aspa who has long been accused of having connections and links with various NSBM acts from a myriad of European metal scenes.

Thanks, man. I don't often spend enough time reading this stuff. It's nice just being back on metalstorm so often.

Though now you mention it, the guitarist from Horna did tell me years back at Kings of Black Metal in Germany about the oddities of Mikko Aspa. I mean... very odd, like collecting jars of his own ejaculation...

New DSO and then BaN? NICE

Written by koob on 17.03.2022 at 10:58

I don't agree at all but I understand your point

Thanks, I appreciate that. However, the above excerpt from the interview is more than just a youthful folly for me, especially because there has never really been a clear distancing from what was said. Instead, 20 years later Aspa is still there and they are still flirting with NS imagery and the idea of a social palingenesis through (racial) cleansing.
That's why I can't really see a radical shift in ideology from DsO then to DsO now.

But it's perfectly okay to have a different view, because the formation of opinion depends on many factors.
For example, you're a fan of DsO, but I'm not, and my personal interest in the band's music is next to none. I don't have to defend the band, I don't need to challenge my conscience, and I don't feel the urge to justify my musical taste, and that's a very comfortable position. On the other hand, I believe that die-hard fans don't always have this neutral starting point and the default stance can then only be a defensive position, excluding any other opinion by default. I always find it very regrettable when musical taste has the power to affect personal perceptions to such an extent, but I guess that's just the way it is.
Also, I'll never understand why people who loudly propagate the separation of the art from the artist are more often than not the first ones to take personal offense when their favourite artists are rightfully being criticised for their condemnable statements.
Or maybe it's just that I never really understood the basic concept of being a fan, who knows?

But what I am really trying to say is that while I am convinced that DsO are still fascists, that says nothing about you or anyone else who is a fan of their music.
And just to make it clear, your level-headed responses indicate that you do not belong to the described group of fans who take any criticism of their favourite band as a personal insult. Thank you for that.

Written by TheBigRossowski on 16.03.2022 at 22:06

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Well, I for one am not privy to any of this ugh, ugh, complex, ugh, stuff, man. Apparently, new "stuff" has come to light.

I'm looking forward to the release but now you've peaked my curiosity.

They were Nazis, Dude?

Written by Zap on 23.03.2022 at 15:45

Written by TheBigRossowski on 16.03.2022 at 22:06

Written by mz on 16.03.2022 at 15:42

I expect more backlash given that they have not done much to prove that they are not Nazi scumbags.

Well, I for one am not privy to any of this ugh, ugh, complex, ugh, stuff, man. Apparently, new "stuff" has come to light.

I'm looking forward to the release but now you've peaked my curiosity.

They were Nazis, Dude?

Niiiice lol