Rammstein - Respond To Allegations Of Sexual Misconduct
Over the past couple of days, there have been various developments in regards to accusations of sexual misconduct against Rammstein frontman Till Lindemann. The band has since delivered multiple responses.
Warning: this article and its linked pages includes mentions of sexual assault.
The allegations initially came from a person who claimed that at the band's Vilnius show, during the pre party, Till Lindemann approached her and was upset upon being refused sex. She suspects that her drink offered by Till was spiked as she woke up later with bruises and finger marks. The gist of it has been compiled here. A more comprehensive version has been posted in these two Instagram highlights, as well as another highlight with stories from other alleged victims. They also posted about receiving an alleged cease and desist letter.
They also posted the following clarification on Twitter: "I’d like to clarify again. Till did NOT touch me. He accepted I did not want to have sex with him. I never claimed he raped me. Please read the entire Twitter thread for full context before making reports."
The band's initial response came on Twitter, as they posted the following: "With regard to the allegations circulating on the internet about Vilnius, we can rule out the possibility that what is being claimed took place in our environment. We are not aware of any official investigations into this matter."
The band have then posted the following on Instagram, translated from German: "The posts of the last few days have caused irritations and questions to the public and especially our fans. The accusations have hit us all very hard and we take them extremely seriously. To our fans, we say: it's important to us that you feel comfortable and safe at our shows - on and off stage. We condemn any kind of trespassing and ask you: do not participate in public prejudice of any kind against those who made the allegations. They are entitled to their way they see things. But we, the band, also have a right - namely not to be prejudiced."
Following the allegations, Till's book publishers, Kiepenheuer & Witsch, dropped Till and posted the following statement, translated from German: "It is with shock that we have followed public allegations against Till Lindemann in the last few days. Our sympathy and respect goes to the women affected. In the course of current reporting, we became aware of a porn video in which Till Lindemann celebrates sexual violence against women and in which the 2013 book In Still Night published by Kiepenheuer & Witsch plays a role. We rate this as gross breach of trust and as a ruthless act in relation to the values we represent as a publisher. We defend the freedom of art with full conviction. Through Till Lindemann’s actions that humiliate women in the aforementioned porn and the targeted use of our book in a pornographic context, the separation between the “lyrical I” and the author/artist, which we so staunchly defended, is mocked by the author himself. From our point of view, Till Lindemann exceeds immovable limits in dealing with women. We have therefore decided to end our collaboration with Till Lindemann with immediate effect, as our relationship of trust with the author has been irretrievably broken."
For those in need, helplines for sexual assault or other topics for various countries can be found here.
Warning: this article and its linked pages includes mentions of sexual assault.
The allegations initially came from a person who claimed that at the band's Vilnius show, during the pre party, Till Lindemann approached her and was upset upon being refused sex. She suspects that her drink offered by Till was spiked as she woke up later with bruises and finger marks. The gist of it has been compiled here. A more comprehensive version has been posted in these two Instagram highlights, as well as another highlight with stories from other alleged victims. They also posted about receiving an alleged cease and desist letter.
They also posted the following clarification on Twitter: "I’d like to clarify again. Till did NOT touch me. He accepted I did not want to have sex with him. I never claimed he raped me. Please read the entire Twitter thread for full context before making reports."
The band's initial response came on Twitter, as they posted the following: "With regard to the allegations circulating on the internet about Vilnius, we can rule out the possibility that what is being claimed took place in our environment. We are not aware of any official investigations into this matter."
The band have then posted the following on Instagram, translated from German: "The posts of the last few days have caused irritations and questions to the public and especially our fans. The accusations have hit us all very hard and we take them extremely seriously. To our fans, we say: it's important to us that you feel comfortable and safe at our shows - on and off stage. We condemn any kind of trespassing and ask you: do not participate in public prejudice of any kind against those who made the allegations. They are entitled to their way they see things. But we, the band, also have a right - namely not to be prejudiced."
Following the allegations, Till's book publishers, Kiepenheuer & Witsch, dropped Till and posted the following statement, translated from German: "It is with shock that we have followed public allegations against Till Lindemann in the last few days. Our sympathy and respect goes to the women affected. In the course of current reporting, we became aware of a porn video in which Till Lindemann celebrates sexual violence against women and in which the 2013 book In Still Night published by Kiepenheuer & Witsch plays a role. We rate this as gross breach of trust and as a ruthless act in relation to the values we represent as a publisher. We defend the freedom of art with full conviction. Through Till Lindemann’s actions that humiliate women in the aforementioned porn and the targeted use of our book in a pornographic context, the separation between the “lyrical I” and the author/artist, which we so staunchly defended, is mocked by the author himself. From our point of view, Till Lindemann exceeds immovable limits in dealing with women. We have therefore decided to end our collaboration with Till Lindemann with immediate effect, as our relationship of trust with the author has been irretrievably broken."
For those in need, helplines for sexual assault or other topics for various countries can be found here.
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Written by Stormm on 12.06.2023 at 19:49 Where did we discuss that?
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Written by RaduP on 12.06.2023 at 19:59 SSUS' post on the previous page.
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| Andrew_Deer None,really Posts: 62  |
Ah shit, here we go again. I originally wanted to include the "adult human female" definition but then I thought theres no need to do that".. well, what gives. So, again, it wasn't about who is and is not a woman/female, it was about how the word is being used in certain context. Okay?
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Written by Andrew_Deer on 12.06.2023 at 22:50 Aye. All good.
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| corrupt With a lowercase c Admin Posts: 3490  |
Official investigations have been initiatiated in Germany. Linked through Google Translate.
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| Boxcar Willy yr a kook Posts: 9128  |
Written by corrupt on 14.06.2023 at 19:13 I read on Twitter (So no credible source), that Till has filed a defamation suit against Shelby. Going to get quite messy pretty soon.
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| Brutal Water Posts: 103  |
Written by corrupt on 14.06.2023 at 19:13 6 months to 5 years of jail time? That's not a lot. Or is that per victim? Oh well, probably gonna feel like eternity anyway when you become every horny prisoner's bitch.
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Written by Boxcar Willy on 14.06.2023 at 19:27 What I have been able to find is an announcement from Lindemann's lawyers that they intend to file suit, but nothing seems to have become official just yet, so that could still be coming or it could just be an attempt to shift the narrative of suspicion away from Lindemann and onto Shelby for a bit. We'll know more if and when they actually file something.
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| Brutal Water Posts: 103 |
I have a technical question about defamation lawsuits, particularly regarding German law: Let's say Till is NOT found guilty due to lack of evidence, does that automatically count towards the defamation lawsuit? Or will this be considered irrelevant (since it would be its own trial) and they have to actually prove from scratch that the accuser was lying? If it's the latter, a defamation lawsuit would be pointless.
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| corrupt With a lowercase c Admin Posts: 3490 |
Schneider is the first band member to publicly comment on the allegations. Article posted in German Der Spiegel, link points to Google Translate version in English. The original Instagram post is here. It‘s in German, though.
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| Karlabos Posts: 5708  |
Written by corrupt on 17.06.2023 at 11:43 Then translate and post another news article! =D
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Written by Karlabos on 17.06.2023 at 14:46 He's basically saying that Rammstein's aftershow parties =/= Till's own parties, and that everything is perfectly in order at the band's official aftershow parties, with all drinks being bottled and no drugs being put into them. There's about 100 crew members at Rammstein shows and nobody has ever mentioned anything to him about shady shit like this going on. Apparently Till has been distancing himself from the rest of the band in the past couple of years and created "his own bubble". Christoph also says that certain things have happened at Till's parties that Christoph disapproves of (despite being legal).
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| Zap Guest Posts: 3575  |
Reading those words by Christoph gave me the feeling that Rammstein is falling apart. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but even if this blows over I don't think the band will last very long afterwards.
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Written by SamuelYK on 13.05.2024 at 15:18 You can be sure they'll do everything they can to stop that from happening. The best thing that can happen to the band now is that as little light as possible is shed on the whole thing. Any legal action would explode the risk of even more witnesses coming forward.
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