Written by Valentin B on 20.03.2008 at 21:23

Rust in Peace still kicks everything else's ass, to me second being countdown and third peace sells

I second that. Although I like Peace Sells more than Countdown.

Yeah, countdown is a good album no doubt, but that was also the begining of their decline, it just wasn't the same feel as past albums. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a change in sound, but THAT change was aimed at a gain in popularity, and not a genuine change of heart in what their music should sound like....now peace sells, that album is number two for me, right next to RIP. Third is So Far So good.

Personally, I have no problem with the sound on Countdown To Extinction. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't mind when a band slows down they're style in favour of a more mainstream community and keeping they're heaviness at the same time.

Very few bands IMO have pulled this off, namely:

Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Judas Priest: Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather.

Sepultura: Chaos AD.

and Megadeth: Countdown To Extinction.

Written by [user id=26806] on 22.03.2008 at 10:14

Personally, I have no problem with the sound on Countdown To Extinction. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't mind when a band slows down they're style in favour of a more mainstream community and keeping they're heaviness at the same time.

Very few bands IMO have pulled this off, namely:

Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Sepultura: Chaos AD.

and Megadeth: Countdown To Extinction.

I actually do't id either....unless they change their sou so uh that the band ou ove isn'teveethe same bad aymore.like Metallica

Written by Arian Totalis on 22.03.2008 at 04:10

Yeah, countdown is a good album no doubt, but that was also the begining of their decline, it just wasn't the same feel as past albums. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a change in sound, but THAT change was aimed at a gain in popularity, and not a genuine change of heart in what their music should sound like....now peace sells, that album is number two for me, right next to RIP. Third is So Far So good.

When I first heard the album I thought it was SO the beginning of the end but over time Countdown grew on me. It was when Youthanasia came out that I realised THAT was the end. For all the polished edges that made Countdown seem a little 'mainstream' at least the song writing and lyrics stand the test of time. Youthanasia marked the beginning of Daves grip on reality and the flow of boring songs

I got so sick of Countdown to Extinction. I liked it during the first two plays, but I can't stand that album anymore. It's too slow, too commercial-sounding, and it just bores the hell out of me now.

Written by [user id=31590] on 24.03.2008 at 03:03

Written by Arian Totalis on 22.03.2008 at 04:10

Yeah, countdown is a good album no doubt, but that was also the begining of their decline, it just wasn't the same feel as past albums. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a change in sound, but THAT change was aimed at a gain in popularity, and not a genuine change of heart in what their music should sound like....now peace sells, that album is number two for me, right next to RIP. Third is So Far So good.

When I first heard the album I thought it was SO the beginning of the end but over time Countdown grew on me. It was when Youthanasia came out that I realised THAT was the end. For all the polished edges that made Countdown seem a little 'mainstream' at least the song writing and lyrics stand the test of time. Youthanasia marked the beginning of Daves grip on reality and the flow of boring songs

Well, I mean, I like Countdown just fine, but I have to admit that it's the begining of their sellout phase. I don't neceserrily believe it was the end, as I like their last two albums alot, but yeah that was the begining of their comercialistic phase.

Written by Arian Totalis on 24.03.2008 at 05:17

Written by [user id=31590] on 24.03.2008 at 03:03

Written by Arian Totalis on 22.03.2008 at 04:10

Yeah, countdown is a good album no doubt, but that was also the begining of their decline, it just wasn't the same feel as past albums. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a change in sound, but THAT change was aimed at a gain in popularity, and not a genuine change of heart in what their music should sound like....now peace sells, that album is number two for me, right next to RIP. Third is So Far So good.

When I first heard the album I thought it was SO the beginning of the end but over time Countdown grew on me. It was when Youthanasia came out that I realised THAT was the end. For all the polished edges that made Countdown seem a little 'mainstream' at least the song writing and lyrics stand the test of time. Youthanasia marked the beginning of Daves grip on reality and the flow of boring songs

Well, I mean, I like Countdown just fine, but I have to admit that it's the begining of their sellout phase. I don't neceserrily believe it was the end, as I like their last two albums alot, but yeah that was the begining of their comercialistic phase.

Your totally right but you cant stop listening to such an awesome thrash metal band like Megadeth just cause they turned to commercial stuff... as all the well-known bands do that nowadays, so you got to go with the flow, the metal scene world wide is all about commercialism nowadays.

when a band starts to play music they just play MUSIC for fans and for them selves , but when they reach a point in there career to build there life they jump to commercialism thats how music go...

Cheers

But I never stopped listening to Megadeth, I am still a big fan, all I was getting at is that Countdown was the begining of a decline in their sound, and started a chain reaction of shitty albums- Risk, The World needs a Hero, etc.....

Written by [user id=26806] on 22.03.2008 at 10:14

Personally, I have no problem with the sound on Countdown To Extinction. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't mind when a band slows down they're style in favour of a more mainstream community and keeping they're heaviness at the same time.

Very few bands IMO have pulled this off, namely:

Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Judas Priest: Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather.

Sepultura: Chaos AD.

and Megadeth: Countdown To Extinction.

I don't think SBS is really any slower than the previous Sabbath albums. Hell, just listen to the song Black Sabbath off the debut. It might not be Sunn O))), but it's certainly not fast by any stretch of the imagination.

As for Priest ... give Sad Wings of Destiny another spin. On the whole, this is definitely a slower-paced album than Killing Machine. In fact, KM is damn near speed metal in comparison.

Sepultura ... this album just bored me, though many of my friends consider it a classic. My boredom has little to do with speed and much to do with same ol', same ol'.

Back to the band in question (and your last listed item), I personally dig CtE though it took a while to grow on me. Again, not because of the speed, but because of the overall composition. The songs were clearly targeted to the MTV / Metallica audience of the time, the riffing was a little chunkier and they seemed to shed some of the jazzy influence that set them apart from the run-of-the-mill thrash bands of the early era. Also, Dave changed his vocal style a little too much for my liking. What was an occasional style on Rust In Peace (and used quite effectively, I might add) became his de facto style on CtE and it was quite annoying at first.

Written by Søren on 28.03.2008 at 05:19

Written by [user id=26806] on 22.03.2008 at 10:14

Personally, I have no problem with the sound on Countdown To Extinction. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't mind when a band slows down they're style in favour of a more mainstream community and keeping they're heaviness at the same time.

Very few bands IMO have pulled this off, namely:

Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Judas Priest: Killing Machine/Hell Bent For Leather.

Sepultura: Chaos AD.

and Megadeth: Countdown To Extinction.

I don't think SBS is really any slower than the previous Sabbath albums. Hell, just listen to the song Black Sabbath off the debut. It might not be Sunn O))), but it's certainly not fast by any stretch of the imagination.

As for Priest ... give Sad Wings of Destiny another spin. On the whole, this is definitely a slower-paced album than Killing Machine. In fact, KM is damn near speed metal in comparison.

Sepultura ... this album just bored me, though many of my friends consider it a classic. My boredom has little to do with speed and much to do with same ol', same ol'.

Back to the band in question (and your last listed item), I personally dig CtE though it took a while to grow on me. Again, not because of the speed, but because of the overall composition. The songs were clearly targeted to the MTV / Metallica audience of the time, the riffing was a little chunkier and they seemed to shed some of the jazzy influence that set them apart from the run-of-the-mill thrash bands of the early era. Also, Dave changed his vocal style a little too much for my liking. What was an occasional style on Rust In Peace (and used quite effectively, I might add) became his de facto style on CtE and it was quite annoying at first.

Those are all reasonable assessments and criticisms, but for me a metal band does not have to stick to whatever genre of metal they play so long as they are a metal band. Like Judas Priest, to me they were never a speed metal band, just metal, which is why I concider Sad Wings of Destiny a milestone of early metal history. Personally I think all these 'genres' are bullshit because they're nothing more then different methods of playing Heavy Metal. Fact is, it's all metal, so when a band slights his music towards commercialism but retains all the characteristics of Heavy Metal, like all the albums I mentioned above, then I'm happy.

And I don't really bother looking for anything 'new' in metal music either because everythings been already done by Black Sabbath

Written by [user id=26806] on 28.03.2008 at 12:08


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Personally I think all these 'genres' are bullshit because they're nothing more then different methods of playing Heavy Metal.
...

I couldn't agree with this statement more.
Having 9423423898234 sub-genres does nothing but foster elitism and prejudice and weaken the scene.
At the heart of it, it's all about metal, not black-metal, death-metal, etc.
(Not to mention some of these new genres are just fucking stupid. Math metal? Future metal? Fuck off!)

Written by Søren on 28.03.2008 at 13:22
(Not to mention some of these new genres are just fucking stupid. Math metal? Future metal? Fuck off!)

The dumbest I've heard so far are Christian Metal, Funk Metal and Folk Metal? What the fuck is that?

It's these newer genres or names that I really despise because people pose them as modern extentions of Heavy Metal (like Death Metal and Grindcore were back in the 80's) when infact they're nothing more then a way to turn metal into a mainstream musical commodity which it never should have been in the first place because honestly, all these newer acts of metal are just as boring and redundunt as a lot of the rap and hip-hop based groups you see flinging they're 'bling bling' on the Radio and MTV.

Seriously, all this bullshit makes me wish I was born in 1976 as apposed to 1986.

Written by [user id=26806] on 28.03.2008 at 17:37

Written by Søren on 28.03.2008 at 13:22
(Not to mention some of these new genres are just fucking stupid. Math metal? Future metal? Fuck off!)

The dumbest I've heard so far are Christian Metal, Funk Metal and Folk Metal? What the fuck is that?

It's these newer genres or names that I really despise because people pose them as modern extentions of Heavy Metal (like Death Metal and Grindcore were back in the 80's) when infact they're nothing more then a way to turn metal into a mainstream musical commodity which it never should have been in the first place because honestly, all these newer acts of metal are just as boring and redundunt as a lot of the rap and hip-hop based groups you see flinging they're 'bling bling' on the Radio and MTV.

Seriously, all this bullshit makes me wish I was born in 1976 as apposed to 1986.

Christian Metal is, obviously, metal with a heavy emphasis on Christian elements in the lyrics, such as Stryper, Crimson Thorn, Tourniquet among others. The simple fact that none of the bands I mentioned sound especially alike demonstrates the ridiculous nature of such a label...genres applied to lyrical themes are bollocks.

Funk Metal is a sort-of offshoot of jazz fusion, with bands such as Primus (...I don't know any others). Very strong rhythmic sections, with a good deal of slap/pop bass, and crazy time signatures. Very jazzy.

Folk metal has its groundings in the style embodied by Skyclad. Combining Martin Walkyier's strong pagan views with folk instrumentation (plenty of acoustic guitars, mandolin etc.) gives folk metal a realistic separation from any other genre.

Yes, the number of genres nowadays is quite ridiculous, but trying to pretend that Cruachan and Slayer play the same style of music in anything but the broadest sense (i.e. they both use metal instrumentation and distortion) is being as narrow-minded as labelling Dissection 'Anti-Cosmic Metal of Death' is being facetious (actually, hang on...that was Jon Notveidt, and he was just a prat).

do u know that the reason that makes Antti Kokko(kalmah) plays guitar is MEGADETH
espcially the album Rust In Peace

Written by RavenLord on 28.03.2008 at 21:48


Christian Metal is, obviously, metal with a heavy emphasis on Christian elements in the lyrics, such as Stryper, Crimson Thorn, Tourniquet among others. The simple fact that none of the bands I mentioned sound especially alike demonstrates the ridiculous nature of such a label...genres applied to lyrical themes are bollocks.

I have NEVER understood the concept of Christian metal. Not even in the 80s when Stryper first hit the scene. I understand trying to get your message to an audience, but come on. I would think there would be more outrage in the Christian community in terms of anti-metal people labeling it blasphemy or at least as an oxymoron.

i wonder if Dave Mustain would go back to metallica if he got the chance...
in the "dok"" some kind of monster" he said to lars ulrich that if he could change one thing in hes life he would not let him be kicked from metallica.
but that's what e felt if he didnt was in megadeth...
what do u guys think?
cheers M

I don't care since Kirk won't be fired and if he left I wouldn't be surprised if that meant that Metallica would be disbanded. Metallica are Kirk, Lars and James.

buut not robert?
i think so:D but i miss jason anyway:)

Robert aren't nearly as much Metallica as the other three. I still like him though.

lol u got a piont ther:lol:e

Written by Søren on 29.03.2008 at 08:08

Written by RavenLord on 28.03.2008 at 21:48


Christian Metal is, obviously, metal with a heavy emphasis on Christian elements in the lyrics, such as Stryper, Crimson Thorn, Tourniquet among others. The simple fact that none of the bands I mentioned sound especially alike demonstrates the ridiculous nature of such a label...genres applied to lyrical themes are bollocks.

I have NEVER understood the concept of Christian metal. Not even in the 80s when Stryper first hit the scene. I understand trying to get your message to an audience, but come on. I would think there would be more outrage in the Christian community in terms of anti-metal people labeling it blasphemy or at least as an oxymoron.

Funny you should mention that...there are a fair few evangelical (read: bullshit) sites around which lay into Christian rock for being, er...'Un-Christian'. I seem to remember falling off my chair laughing around the time they labelled one C-Rock singer as a satanist because she gave a m/ gesture at a concert...they picked up on the fact that she didn't have thumb extended (which, apparently, is a symbol of love, rather than HEAVY FUCKING METAL m/)...seriously, what the fuck?

Also, see if you can find clips of 'They Sold Their Souls For Rock and Roll'. The one about Meat Loaf is particularly humourous...because it implies that he's possessed by a demon onstage (and then they freeze-frame one of his videos so you see only the whites of his eyes... : ).

Written by RavenLord on 29.03.2008 at 16:30

Written by Søren on 29.03.2008 at 08:08

Written by RavenLord on 28.03.2008 at 21:48


Christian Metal is, obviously, metal with a heavy emphasis on Christian elements in the lyrics, such as Stryper, Crimson Thorn, Tourniquet among others. The simple fact that none of the bands I mentioned sound especially alike demonstrates the ridiculous nature of such a label...genres applied to lyrical themes are bollocks.

I have NEVER understood the concept of Christian metal. Not even in the 80s when Stryper first hit the scene. I understand trying to get your message to an audience, but come on. I would think there would be more outrage in the Christian community in terms of anti-metal people labeling it blasphemy or at least as an oxymoron.

Funny you should mention that...there are a fair few evangelical (read: bullshit) sites around which lay into Christian rock for being, er...'Un-Christian'. I seem to remember falling off my chair laughing around the time they labelled one C-Rock singer as a satanist because she gave a m/ gesture at a concert...they picked up on the fact that she didn't have thumb extended (which, apparently, is a symbol of love, rather than HEAVY FUCKING METAL m/)...seriously, what the fuck?

Also, see if you can find clips of 'They Sold Their Souls For Rock and Roll'. The one about Meat Loaf is particularly humourous...because it implies that he's possessed by a demon onstage (and then they freeze-frame one of his videos so you see only the whites of his eyes... : ).

haha! I'm definitely going to see if i can track that down - I love that sort of thing. my mom (who is a zealot) bought me a book many, many years ago in an attempt to get me out of metal and they analyze all sorts of metal - slayer, sabbath, priest, etc. - going through lyrics, examining artwork, video imagery, and so on. I wish I still had it - it was a riot!

why the fuck do u wanna combine metal with Christianity anyway?
but it will be kinda cool if they start headbanging in the church:lol:

Written by [user id=31692] on 29.03.2008 at 17:27

why the fuck do u wanna combine metal with Christianity anyway?
but it will be kinda cool if they start headbanging in the church:lol:

We not only headbang at my church, we have mosh pits as well.

Written by Dane Train on 29.03.2008 at 18:41

Written by [user id=31692] on 29.03.2008 at 17:27

why the fuck do u wanna combine metal with Christianity anyway?
but it will be kinda cool if they start headbanging in the church:lol:

We not only headbang at my church, we have mosh pits as well.

ur lucky... we listen to mp3 when we are in church (in deep displeasure!)
but serusly... i i listend to "christian metal" and only if, i wouldnt be Christian=my point is that mayby the lyricks is "christian" but not the person who is listening to it.
ive been misunderstood alot of times that i belive in satan and cherish death. and im so far from it.
so music doesnt neseserely tell anything about the person!

Coutdawn is the best album! It's a pity that there is no any evolution in Megadeth music(

Written by WELICORUSS on 01.04.2008 at 06:41

It's a pity that there is no any evolution in Megadeth music(

Bahahahaha. Thats all I really have to say.

Written by Doc G. on 01.04.2008 at 09:27

Written by WELICORUSS on 01.04.2008 at 06:41

It's a pity that there is no any evolution in Megadeth music(

Bahahahaha. Thats all I really have to say.

Yes, I concur. Compare their debut to RIP, or hell, even their follow up, Peace Sells, and you'll see the progression to it.

Written by Arian Totalis on 05.04.2008 at 07:11

Written by Doc G. on 01.04.2008 at 09:27

Written by WELICORUSS on 01.04.2008 at 06:41

It's a pity that there is no any evolution in Megadeth music(

Bahahahaha. Thats all I really have to say.

Yes, I concur. Compare their debut to RIP, or hell, even their follow up, Peace Sells, and you'll see the progression to it.

Yeah its pretty obvious...I really didn't know how to spell it out for him.