Well... using metal as a mean of rebellion may become something teen and angsty and thus is not the best option...Plus we don't want to leave an impression of hopeless delinquents which means they'd hate metal even more...

What would be an option instead, would be common sense and being GOOD and kind people... And showing that islam doesn't save anyone's ass if that anyone is an EVIL bad person... you must and will be good and you don't need islam for it... that's what must be shown...that's how one must act and be an example for everyone... hopefully this light will illuminate one day even the bas***i caves...

Written by Hamird on 05.01.2010 at 00:30

Check this one..
Dada..

YOU ARE A GENIUS!

Thanks, made mah day!

Written by ms68 on 04.01.2010 at 23:53

When i see that how you are talking about islam here i understand that the best way of cultural war with islamic republic is advertising metal music in iran

but don't forget that we sixties people are not the only generation. for secular government at least we need more than 50 years.

we need a secular government now, after that we need 50 years or more for our ppl to accept it completely. you cant say we have to wait 50 years to have a laic government. as I said before, after 1929 turky has a laic government. but now see how their head minister, Erdoğan, is an Islamic character. yes thats why we need a laic Government right now. maybe after 100 years we could divide ourselves from Arabic and Islamic thoughts. IMO our big problem about Religion is people not government, this is people who says Allaho Akbar in Tehran's streets. these are who are against Government, these ppl arent against Islamic Thoughts, unfortunately. they are just a little softer! just a little softer not more.

I have an Idea for metal heads from Iran who are against Islamic thing, Use upside down Allah. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=57325&id=1596871071&saved use it this is for you!

TBG... dear person, what you offer us here looks like a tomato/onion/turban/a horny person wearing a turban/a person with huge ears wearing a turban....
It's zero compared to the simple yet genial design of Hämid...

And as I said...why do you have to be AGAINST God... turning religious imagery upside down is a teen and angsty way of expressing oneself...
We're better than that...don't show us lousy examples...

Inverted cross, btw, is one of the best fail examples of all time... The angsty "satanic" teens didn't even know that inverted cross is St. Peter's cross and a completely acceptable Christian symbol...

I'm like most of you against this allah-like tulip, and i didt mean an allah like tulip, i just said a single red tulip as a symbol of all martyrs who gave their lives during hundreds of years until at last we gain our freedom, it could be tribute to them at least... i'm so sorry to see i.r even abused these flowers, but you must know that these are not simple flowers mates, these are the aborigine Persian flowers, always grow on the highest flats of Zagros and Alborz, their roots irrigated by the most sorrowful tears of Anahita and their leaves protected by the hands of Ordibehesht, each winter when flats are buried under snow all of us may think that these Laleha are dead and gone, but i promise to you brothers, spring shall return... and tulips will rise from soils of Alborz again, Damavand will proudly look upon them and they will always live, in the name of Amordad they will always stay with us. and all of what they expect is some respect friends, you can do any shit you wnat with a allah, but its so desperate for me to see a fallen Laleh.

Written by [user id=31891] on 05.01.2010 at 09:12

WE need a secular government now,

ok, but before that tell us where are you from? i didn't saw anyone who change his country every 3months except you.
anyway, if muslims in turkey are increasing, it won't verify about iran. in iran muslims are decreasing every year due to tyranny of islamic regime.

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IMO our big problem about Religion is people not government

it's not a problem because our movement is against tyranny not islam and as i know more than 90% of this movement prefers religious democracy to secular tyranny because they have experianced that 30 years ago.
as i understand you support that america attack to iran and debacle this regime and appoint reza pahlavi as shah and he like his grandfather fight against islam and...
but we don't want repeat history.

So this way, Im in love with down tulips:

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

Written by ms68 on 06.01.2010 at 23:51

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

https://www.sesawe.net/binaries/hss/en/HSS-1.34-install-sesawe-216-conduit.exe

Perhaps this program helps... It opened youtube very well in China...

Written by ms68 on 06.01.2010 at 23:51

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

i have the same problem, dont do it with internet explorer, i use Google chrome and it always work for me

I'm a Firefox user... and hotpot shield was nice with it...

Written by Ernis on 06.01.2010 at 23:58

Written by ms68 on 06.01.2010 at 23:51

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

https://www.sesawe.net/binaries/hss/en/HSS-1.34-install-sesawe-216-conduit.exe

Perhaps this program helps... It opened youtube very well in China...

a lot of programs supposed to work just in china, for example Freegate. it works if in a country the number of users are not a lot.

My girl uses: "traffic compressor" and "usejump" for facebook or filtered sites. for youtube without using any proxy programs use : http://64.15.120.236/

Written by Varegan on 07.01.2010 at 01:12

Written by ms68 on 06.01.2010 at 23:51

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

i have the same problem, dont do it with internet explorer, i use Google chrome and it always work for me

i can't download that from google. it says that google chrome is not available in your country. can you put here a download link

Written by ms68 on 07.01.2010 at 12:33

Written by Varegan on 07.01.2010 at 01:12

Written by ms68 on 06.01.2010 at 23:51

I can't use facebook neither with ultrasurf nor with freegate. i have problem in security code. how do you use that?

i have the same problem, dont do it with internet explorer, i use Google chrome and it always work for me

i can't download that from google. it says that google chrome is not available in your country. can you put here a download link

http://www.filehippo.com/download_google_chrome/

Written by Ernis on 28.12.2009 at 23:38

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 28.12.2009 at 17:24

Mobareze Mosalahhane

Yes? : )

Fight for freedom by means of violence and using weapons against goverment.

Written by Ernis on 28.12.2009 at 23:38

Ok...we'll be waitin...good luck!

Thank you. I'm back.
As for hamsters, i asked an expert about what you wrote earlier...The mother eating her own offspring... It's not because she's hungry, irresponsible or evil. It's a kind of protection....She does that if the kids are ill and won't survive or if she feels threatened. Not a wise method to protect your children but anyway. It's more up to the owner if he/she makes a safe, quiet and healthy place for the mother to raise her children.

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but actually it's a lot nicer to be messed up with Russians than with Arabs : )

INDEED...

Written by ms68 on 03.01.2010 at 20:31

I hate this flag but i don't know why. we have a colour so i don't consider flag as an important thing. let it be used by pahlavi's fans.

Agreed. Yet our color ain't that pure, its Islamic roots annoys me as hell. I'd rather look at it as the color of plants, makes it more tolerable.

Written by Hamird on 04.01.2010 at 01:12

Why you're against a king?
Iranian were not deserved to have a king.. Britons have queen, Norwegians have king.. And so many other countries. And they have democracy in the same time.. So the problem was not the king..

And it took 'em centuries to reach where they are now.
So? Do you want us to glovel in front of that Tule-Ghazagh, bessech him to forgive us for our wrong revolution and ask him to come back, keep fucking us?
What you say about "reform within a monarchy" is not for now, it's a choice we had 30 years ago NOT NOW...The king had the chance to take a step backwards and instead save the throne but that fucker realised that too late (Same is with IR)...The idea of giving monarchy another chance is nothing but a naiive desperate one...Again, Back On Square One...
If one dosen't learn from history, is doomed to repeat it, don't you think so?
seeing that pussy cry for Neda while they themselves have done the same once in power pisses me off. Pahlavi supporters (Anjomane Padeshahi, Takavarane Tondar, etc) have no choice but to fuck off...There's no place for them in the Green Movement.

Written by Varegan on 05.01.2010 at 21:44

...but you must know that these are not simple flowers mates, these are the aborigine Persian flowers, always grow on the highest flats of Zagros and Alborz, their roots irrigated by the most sorrowful tears of Anahita and their leaves protected by the hands of Ordibehesht, each winter when flats are buried under snow all of us may think that these Laleha are dead and gone, but i promise to you brothers, spring shall return... and tulips will rise from soils of Alborz again, Damavand will proudly look upon them and they will always live, in the name of Amordad they will always stay with us. and all of what they expect is some respect friends, you can do any shit you wnat with a allah, but its so desperate for me to see a fallen Laleh.

I bet you've always got 20 in composition during school years.

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aaargh! keep that little abomination away from me... i'm not gonna pay a penny for that rat but you can buy me one, as a gift maybe

Bi salighe. They're so cute, you'll love 'em once see them closely. Too bad they sleep alot, when do i play with them? lol

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aahh thats so nostalgic do you remember our lovely old PMs about ****?

You should either don't write private stuff in public places or if you do, explain it for others, including me. :p Curiosity, you know.

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EDIT: No need to bother with the flag at the moment, bros. There's still a long long way to go.

Im so sorry for persian girls. since 1999 (first time I used the net), I couldnt find a persian girl who has not empty Pride (I mean so called metalhead ones). why its like that? or its just for me? and always I found them posers and not metalheads, just like to pose that they are metal but they are empty. take a look at my thread about "Is Doom Metal an original genre or not?" this is one of those girls. recently I use last.fm, I saw a girl who was in black metal and I didnt know he is persian cause he didnt wrote it, I recommend her a band and then this was her answer: "I dont need recommends I am updated myself" lol, then I found that she is persian yesterday. I really cant understand them! is last.fm for posing? (or another sites) for show how we are metal? or how we can make up like a satanist? I dont think its just for this. (Im not against it but cant take when I see ppl are just doing this! what else do you have?)

First I was really happy after using usejump but after that i saw this: http://balatarin.com/search?q=usejump

Written by ms68 on 08.01.2010 at 20:35

First I was really happy after using usejump but after that i saw this: http://balatarin.com/search?q=usejump

its fake, they cant do such a thing man! they are not educated enough. they cant pay enough money to disable all of anti filters its just that. I can use it even in turkey for youtube (here its filtered) so dont care about such a mother fucker fake news.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.01.2010 at 11:28

As for hamsters, i asked an expert about what you wrote earlier...The mother eating her own offspring... It's not because she's hungry, irresponsible or evil. It's a kind of protection....She does that if the kids are ill and won't survive or if she feels threatened. Not a wise method to protect your children but anyway. It's more up to the owner if he/she makes a safe, quiet and healthy place for the mother to raise her children.

Ok... mayb my schoolmate's room wasn't the most quiet one then...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.01.2010 at 11:28

Agreed. Yet our color ain't that pure, its Islamic roots annoys me as hell. I'd rather look at it as the color of plants, makes it more tolerable.

I think it is actually the colour of plants... I once heard Muhamed wrote Koraan on banana leaves or something...of course, that doesn't make banana a specifically islamic plant (even though bananas look like half moon...)...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.01.2010 at 11:28

Pahlavi supporters (Anjomane Padeshahi, Takavarane Tondar, etc) have no choice but to fuck off...There's no place for them in the Green Movement.

Don't be that angry... you see... you need to cooperate if needed...otherwise it'll be like we here have that politics is based on personal relationships...did you know that until now SOCIALISTS were teamed together with CONSERVATIVES and were doing their lousy right wing economy whereas everywhere in the world socialists are helping the poor ones...not here...why? because our "socialists" are fake ones...and they are together with the capitalists just because they dislike the "GREEN"...well...now they ran wailing on the Green side after they got butt-kicked by their former "friends"...guess this was a revenge..."IF YOU DON'T WANT US ANY MORE WE GO TO THEM YOU LIKE LEAST!"
It's all sausage-for-sausage here... ورست ورستی واستو(vorst vorsti vastu)...

PS... we also have a party that is called the Green Party...it's not the big center party that I have been speaking about (their colour and flags are green)... the party that is called Green Party and which is all "let's hug trees" and "let's be alternative" is actually more or less an artificial small party that "belongs" to the conservatives... since they have "alternative" members and even one punk singer this means that lots of alternative teens and metallers and punks and whatnot who say they "hate politics" will vote for them to "change the world"...and these votes will automatically transfer on the conservatives' account...
so much bout saving the world...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.01.2010 at 11:28

Written by Varegan on 05.01.2010 at 21:44

...but you must know that these are not simple flowers mates, these are the aborigine Persian flowers, always grow on the highest flats of Zagros and Alborz, their roots irrigated by the most sorrowful tears of Anahita and their leaves protected by the hands of Ordibehesht, each winter when flats are buried under snow all of us may think that these Laleha are dead and gone, but i promise to you brothers, spring shall return... and tulips will rise from soils of Alborz again, Damavand will proudly look upon them and they will always live, in the name of Amordad they will always stay with us. and all of what they expect is some respect friends, you can do any shit you wnat with a allah, but its so desperate for me to see a fallen Laleh.

I bet you've always got 20 in composition during school years.

I got an idea... a composition with green tree branches, the snow of Alborz shining from under the shade of green trees and lots of lailes on the ground level...it'll correspond to flag perfectly...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.01.2010 at 11:28

And it took 'em centuries to reach where they are now.
So? Do you want us to glovel in front of that Tule-Ghazagh, bessech him to forgive us for our wrong revolution and ask him to come back, keep fucking us?
What you say about "reform within a monarchy" is not for now, it's a choice we had 30 years ago NOT NOW...The king had the chance to take a step backwards and instead save the throne but that fucker realised that too late (Same is with IR)...The idea of giving monarchy another chance is nothing but a naiive desperate one...Again, Back On Square One...
If one dosen't learn from history, is doomed to repeat it, don't you think so?
seeing that pussy cry for Neda while they themselves have done the same once in power pisses me off. Pahlavi supporters (Anjomane Padeshahi, Takavarane Tondar, etc) have no choice but to fuck off...There's no place for them in the Green Movement.

When you talk like this, I say to me self this Aabtin bro is totally brainwashed by IR..
Come on.. Did Shaah murdered people like this? Hamin Musavi o Sazegaaraa ke alan shodan khodaaye mardom 10 barabare shaah koshtan mellat o..
Of course I admire Musavi and Karuby for being only two Human being in IR organisation..
I'm not saying we must come back to before.. I had the same opinion about Shaah and it's government.. But after I understood about them my view changed about it..
And I agree that today we must not talk about taking back the monarchy but I say, you must not judge them like this..

Some weeks ago i saw a man who was really opposition of islamic replublic. he said he was in JALEH square in 17shahrivar. a bullet had been stroked to his ear. he said they really killed many people in that day, at least 150 dead.

i saw reza pahlavi's interview with bbc two months ago. i think he was really stupid. he has not anything to defend. it's not rational to defend everyone who is against IR.

Written by Ernis on 05.01.2010 at 19:52

TBG... dear person, what you offer us here looks like a tomato/onion/turban/a horny person wearing a turban/a person with huge ears wearing a turban....
It's zero compared to the simple yet genial design of Hämid...

And as I said...why do you have to be AGAINST God... turning religious imagery upside down is a teen and angsty way of expressing oneself...
We're better than that...don't show us lousy examples...

Inverted cross, btw, is one of the best fail examples of all time... The angsty "satanic" teens didn't even know that inverted cross is St. Peter's cross and a completely acceptable Christian symbol...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=913338&id=1261365383&subject=226534423250&ref=nf

Written by Hamird on 09.01.2010 at 11:10

When you talk like this, I say to me self this Aabtin bro is totally brainwashed by IR..

Is that so? Then you are brainwashed by all those skin-deep TV shows Pahlavi supporters air via sattelite.
Therefore, Mamlekat golo bolbol bude, then one morning people woke up finding out "life's so boring, mordim az khoshi...Bingo! we need a revolution for a change!"

Written by Hamird on 09.01.2010 at 11:10

Hamin Musavi o Sazegaaraa ke alan shodan khodaaye mardom 10 barabare shaah koshtan mellat o..

Indeed, there's nothing adorable or even defendable about reformists as well. If there's ever another election i STILL won't vote to M.u.s.a.v.i/K.a.r.u.b.i (as i didn't earlier) but NOW The Green Movement is not solely THEIRS. It's a chance to tupple the whole regime including all those stupid reformists who are surely murderes themselves, as you said.

Written by ms68 on 09.01.2010 at 11:57

it's not rational to defend everyone who is against IR.

Brilliant.

Written by ms68 on 08.01.2010 at 20:35

First I was really happy after using usejump but after that i saw this: http://balatarin.com/search?q=usejump

I haven't used "usejump" myself. Any info about the publisher, the year it was first released?
Anyway, Let me tell you something as a whole: We're already in deep shit. When all your calls, SMS, etc can easily be eavesdropped, why over-worry about Internet?
Take Goggle Chrome's Integnito feature as an instance, it's not as secure as it claims to be because uses your surfing habbits for advertising purposes or media files are still stored in IE even when you use Chrome. Deploying all AntiFi1tering tools is a risk in nature from TOR to simple pr0xies.
Back on rumers over "usejump", why should IR bother to do it?
1. In order to collect info over websites they find dangerous so that they'll automatically be added to the balck list.
* Well, people use that to by pass already-blocked pages so it won't provide IR with something new.
2. In order to police you.
* First, they can easily do it through your ISP. Second, they've already implemented a centralized system to inspect every single packet. Third, do they even need REAL evidance to jail you? No.

Then maybe, maybe it's IR's rumer to scare people preventing then from using such tools. If it works well and is not open-source, It means IR has to use reverse-engineering to know how it works and then try to find effective countermeasures but they lack the knowledge required then spread rumers...

I don't know, maybe it really is IR's trick to spy users, maybe not...Just saying these days you have to be double doubtfull...No matter from whom you hear the news.

Written by Ernis on 09.01.2010 at 01:18

Don't be that angry... you see... you need to cooperate if needed...otherwise it'll be like we here have that politics is based on personal relationships...

I see, we may HAVE TO team up with others but not when goles are poles apart. I believe cooperating with every political party could be all right, under specific circumstances , except with monarchists.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 09.01.2010 at 20:31

Written by Hamird on 09.01.2010 at 11:10

When you talk like this, I say to me self this Aabtin bro is totally brainwashed by IR..

Is that so? Then you are brainwashed by all those skin-deep TV shows Pahlavi supporters air via sattelite.
Therefore, Mamlekat golo bolbol bude, then one morning people woke up finding out "life's so boring, mordim az khoshi...Bingo! we need a revolution for a change!"

Honestly I don't watch any of those programs, +we haven't got Starsat so we can't get those channels.. But I like Noorizade. He's a wise man.
So. I'm not really brainwashed.. And I was joking about you..
But seriously. I'm not saying that Shaah's Iran was the best in the world.. But at least then we'd lot of respect. We were powerful. And people had great life.. But there was a lot of things that caused the revolution as far as I know..

Written by Hamird on 09.01.2010 at 23:26

.. And I was joking about you..

I figured out you were joking, bro, so were i. No harm done.

Written by Ernis on 10.01.2010 at 00:02

...

Look what found: 2010 Quality of Life Index.
It says, you Estonians have got 100/100 freedom compare it to ours that's evaluated to 17/100....And Sweden's cost of living is 0!! Haha, WTF?

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 10.01.2010 at 15:31

Look what found: 2010 Quality of Life Index.
It says, you Estonians have got 100/100 freedom compare it to ours that's evaluated to 17/100....And Sweden's cost of living is 0!! Haha, WTF?

I don't know...it says yes...but that means that you can go to the internet, read a newspaper article bout "Politician X about to raise taxes" and post a comment "OMFG he's a PERV! I WANT HIM DEAD LIKE NOW!" and then someone will answer your comment: "You're stupid, gtfo!" and then some others will post comments such as "NO! You're a fucking faggot! Go get ***** by that politician who **** ***** ***** ****"

Or if you read an article about "Poor woman killed in a carcrash." and then you can write a comment "STUPID BITCH like FTW!"

I'd say absolute freedom definitely makes people feel absolutely irresponsible...kids at school film each other after sports class in the shower room and then post the naked videos/pics of a kid they don't like onto the internet... they can create humiliating web pages about people they don't like, they can express all kinds of cruelty and nobody can do anything because they're all ANONYMOUS and it's just on the internet...

Lately a 14-year old dude shot himself because he sent his self-made porn pics to a girl he met on the internet but then it turned out to be a sexual pervert who started to cheat money from him and threatened to publish his pics...

Also... I do not know bout the chart thing you posted because I lived in China and China has freedom index of EIGHT! Compared to your SEVENTEEN... and in CHINA people can wear the clothes they want, drink and eat what they want, go in and out of the country when they want, serve in the army or not to serve if the want... yes, they have one-party system but the dictatorship does NOT directly interfere into the peoples' life nor religious beliefs...

Of course, net filtering is present in China and there were troubles with youtube last year (not any more) and some pages they believe to be politically sensitive are made difficult to access...

But...Although this page claims China has less freedom than Iran, I suggest you find a way to China and you'll be sure it's paradise compared to IRI...

Sweden? I imagine Sweden is a very nice country because Sweden has socialism and the state really takes care of its people...everyone MANAGES and if you won't manage, there is a way that the country will take care of you...
Estonia, on the other hand, is a poor country where rich get richer and poor get poorer daily...and our government is a greedy one...but at least they don't do net filtering because they obviously doesn't seem to care because they know what people think bout them...

Written by Ernis on 10.01.2010 at 16:33

I'd say absolute freedom definitely makes people feel absolutely irresponsible...kids at school film each other after sports class in the shower room and then post the naked videos/pics of a kid they don't like onto the internet...

I don't think the problem is freedom itself but ignorance. Social life, inherently limits you to some extend, your freedom can only be restricted when it violates others'...what matters is where you draw th line and that should not be something arbitary a specific authority decides. I hope there comes a day when people learn to respect eachother's rights without law, without judiciary, without fear of punishment,...Just based on their own conscience, that is possible i believe. At least, i've seen (few) adorable people who've been able to live a moral life entirely free of any belief system whether governmental or religious.

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Ina dige kian??? Unmoghe ke migoftan kare Mojahedine kamtar mozhek bud!! In dige shahkare...
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=42647
OR
http://star12.blogfa.com/post-2703.aspx

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 11.01.2010 at 18:31

Ina dige kian??? Unmoghe ke migoftan kare Mojahedine kamtar mozhek bud!! In dige shahkare...
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=42647
OR
http://star12.blogfa.com/post-2703.aspx

It's very funny. I heard they'd made a film for IR television and said them same things.. So she pumped the blood
They're the most amateur and the most ridiculous dictator regime in last 400,000,000,000 years.. First day said she was shot from behind to her head!!! Even a baby can understand that if you shoot someone in head the bullet will pull out from the other side.. Bloody stupid IR.

Written by Hamird on 11.01.2010 at 20:40

They're the most amateur and the most ridiculous dictator regime in last 400,000,000,000 years..

And tonight, The ultimate brain -Baradar Hosein- will be on TV3, at 22:30. Gonna watch it, seeing that monster could be a hillarious comedy.
If i don't fall sleep in the middle of that program. Now- --> lol