I honestly think Sodom's and Destruction's latest albums are miles better than this. This completely bored me.

Written by Absak on 27.05.2012 at 14:35

I honestly think Sodom's and Destruction's latest albums are miles better than this. This completely bored me.

Destruction's latest wasn't that great, but Sodom's last album was certainly better overall than the new Kreator. Sodom were more melodic and experimental on that one, but they made it work. Kreator weren't so successful with their experimentation. Still... there is some good songs on this album, and it's certainly better and more consistent overall than "Hordes Of Chaos".

Wow! after some more listens i tend to believe that this may be their best album since Coma of Souls. this is a very experimental album with awesome guitar work ( = awesome leads and awesome soloing), amazing songs and generally Kreator at their BEST! now i feel that "phantom antichrist" is the "worst" song on the album witch is something amazing to me. this albums makes me believe that hordes of chaos was very average for kreator's quallity....

Yikes, does anyone else get the feeling that this album is a little TOO slow and melodic? An occasional midpace track is certainly okay, but this one kind of drags at the end. I certainly like it, but it could have been better.

Written by strade on 27.05.2012 at 21:22

Yikes, does anyone else get the feeling that this album is a little TOO slow and melodic? An occasional midpace track is certainly okay, but this one kind of drags at the end. I certainly like it, but it could have been better.

Yes, I do get that feeling from this album. I know some might wonder how I could love an album like "Endorama" which is far more experimental and melodic than "Phantom Antichrist", but yet have issues with Phantom.... being too slow and melodic overall. But to me, it's very simple. "Endorama" had cohesion, and was a solid unit of songs that were united in their sense of style and purpose. "Phantom Antichrist" feels very confused, and muddled by comparison. Almost as if there is a conflict going on between their earlier thrash style, and a more measured, melodic, and experimental style. Now, this mixture CAN be made to work, as was proven with Sodom's latest album. But Sodom achieved something which is very difficult to do, which is to progress, and infuse your sound with more melodic qualities, whilst retaining your raw, aggressive thrash edge.

Don't get me wrong, "Phantom Antichrist" is far, far from being a bad album. And I certainly have no problems with slower, and more melodic moments being on thrash albums. The problem with this album, is those moments are too frequent, not to mention a couple of the more experimental tracks just aren't that great anyway. There are moments on this album, that are truly wonderful examples of thrash, such as "Death To The World", "Victory Will Come", and the ferocious "Civilisation Collapse", but that only makes the low points of the album that much more frustrating to take. Overall, this is a better album than "Hordes Of Chaos", which defintiely seemed like a classic case of treading water to me. There is more adventure, and the thrash when it does rear it's head is much more incisive, effective, and destructive. I just feel in their quest to try and spice things up a bit, something got lost in the translation...

Great album, at the level or maybe better than Hordes Of Chaos..

Just got the new album. great booklet with nice pics and AMAZING lyrics as always...

for me this is Kreator's best album till Coma Of Souls... almost all the songs are amazing and every detail on the album is perfectly handled.

I have heard the new album already, for me its their best album released after 2000 and is comparable with Coma of Souls, Extreme Aggression or Pleasure to Kill in terms of overall quality.

Despite the fact that Phantom Antichrist is more melodic than ever before, melody is used in the right places and used effectively creating a nice contrast with the riffs.

What I don't like is the environmentally conscious lyrics in the chorus of one song, another song containing a lot of power metal elements and also the transition from Mars Mantra to Phantom Antichrist is not as smooth as previous songs in this style like The Patriarch to Violent Revolution and Corpses of Liberty to Demon Prince.

Right now after a few listens, I would give it around a 9 - 9.5 out of 10

Written by TerrorZone on 31.05.2012 at 13:53
What I don't like is the environmentally conscious lyrics in the chorus of one song,

you mean "death to the world"???

Written by Deadmeat on 31.05.2012 at 15:23

Written by TerrorZone on 31.05.2012 at 13:53
What I don't like is the environmentally conscious lyrics in the chorus of one song,

you mean "death to the world"???

yep, they should have changed the lyrics to be about something else

Written by TerrorZone on 01.06.2012 at 07:02

Written by Deadmeat on 31.05.2012 at 15:23

Written by TerrorZone on 31.05.2012 at 13:53
What I don't like is the environmentally conscious lyrics in the chorus of one song,

you mean "death to the world"???

yep, they should have changed the lyrics to be about something else

what about when the sun burns red then? there are also many lyrics about nature. i think that "death to the world" lyrics are absolutely predictable for mille's way of thinking. i mean that he always seemed to be thinking this way.

What's wrong with environmentally conscious lyrics? As Deadmeat pointed out, this topic for lyrics is hardly new for Mille. As far back as "Terrible Certainty" Mille was writing environmentally aware lyrics, with the classic "Toxic Trace"...

Not bad. Few things really great, but in overall to soft.

Written by Tatras on 01.06.2012 at 08:13

Not bad. Few things really great, but in overall to soft.

well, soft for kreator or as a "pure thrash metal album" but amazing musical wise. songs like "united in hate", "the few the proud the broken" and the 2nd half of "from flood into fire" are already on the best kreator moments in history imo...

Written by Deadmeat on 01.06.2012 at 07:32

Written by TerrorZone on 01.06.2012 at 07:02

Written by Deadmeat on 31.05.2012 at 15:23

Written by TerrorZone on 31.05.2012 at 13:53
What I don't like is the environmentally conscious lyrics in the chorus of one song,

you mean "death to the world"???

yep, they should have changed the lyrics to be about something else

what about when the sun burns red then? there are also many lyrics about nature. i think that "death to the world" lyrics are absolutely predictable for mille's way of thinking. i mean that he always seemed to be thinking this way.

i think the main problem with this song is the rather cheesy lyrics, "mother earth ... all your beauty we have raped." Its kind of obvious in the year 2012 that the environment is fucked up. But when the sun burns red was and is a masterpiece, it is much better musically speaking and the i feel that the lyrics are better written than death to the world despite containing some cheesy elements.

How can people vote the album that low? I don't get it.

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 18:34

How can people vote the album that low? I don't get it.

The lowest vote is a 7 so far...
Believe it or not, a 7 is still a positive rating.

Written by Dethking26 on 01.06.2012 at 20:58
The lowest vote is a 7 so far...
Believe it or not, a 7 is still a positive rating.

Anything above 6 is at least decent... and it's got an above average overall rating too. 5 or below, that's when you're getting into the realms of bad albums.

Written by Dethking26 on 01.06.2012 at 20:58

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 18:34

How can people vote the album that low? I don't get it.

The lowest vote is a 7 so far...
Believe it or not, a 7 is still a positive rating.

I'm talking about the average rating. Believe it or not, an 8.5 is still too low for this album.

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 21:34
I'm talking about the average rating. Believe it or not, an 8.5 is still too low for this album.

An 8.5 (85%) is the equivalent to an A in the North American education system. You must be High Expectations Father.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.06.2012 at 21:50

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 21:34
I'm talking about the average rating. Believe it or not, an 8.5 is still too low for this album.

An 8.5 (85%) is the equivalent to an A in the North American education system. You must be High Expectations Father.

I don't get what your problem is. I know what 8.5 means and I think it's too low. End of story.

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 22:09
I don't get what your problem is. I know what 8.5 means and I think it's too low. End of story.

You Germans and your no-nonsense approach to life...



I'm just saying if you think this is in some way being underrated, you're kind of crazy. Just look at some of the top albums in the charts around here and be thankful this hasn't been downrated into oblivion by the sandbaggers.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.06.2012 at 22:21


I'm just saying if you think this is in some way being underrated, you're kind of crazy. Just look at some of the top albums in the charts around here and be thankful this hasn't been downrated into oblivion by the sandbaggers.

hey, i may love be'lakor but this album is a masterpiece. there is not a 9,2 to 8,5 more quality of belakor -who to be honest created an album EXACTLY like stone's reach- to this. it's not a thrash metal masterpiece. it's a mixture of heavy and thrash metal with thrashy vocals etc but musical-wise it's amazing.

(though i know that we are only on the 1st day of voting and these ratings wont be the "final")

Written by Deadmeat on 01.06.2012 at 22:28
hey, i may love be'lakor but this album is a masterpiece. there is not a 9,2 to 8,5 more quality of belakor -who to be honest created an album EXACTLY like stone's reach- to this. it's not a thrash metal masterpiece. it's a mixture of heavy and thrash metal with thrashy vocals etc but musical-wise it's amazing. (though i know that we are only on the 1st day of voting and these ratings wont be the "final")

I'm assuming you brought Be'lakor into this because their album is currently tops in the 2012 charts... which brings me to the point that Metal Storm users prefer melodic types of metal to more straightforward ones. The fact their album is rated 9.2 (with more votes) just goes to show you they have more active supporters here who aren't as critical of their work as Kreator fans. You're also comparing a band that has been around since before either of us were born with a band that has been around for less than a decade.

As for it being a masterpiece... I'm pretty sure you think pretty much every Kreator release these days is a masterpiece. Not really gonna bother arguing with your opinion since I've seen how quick you are to anger over such trivial spats (re: Metal Storm Awards nominations).

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.06.2012 at 22:33

Written by Deadmeat on 01.06.2012 at 22:28
hey, i may love be'lakor but this album is a masterpiece. there is not a 9,2 to 8,5 more quality of belakor -who to be honest created an album EXACTLY like stone's reach- to this. it's not a thrash metal masterpiece. it's a mixture of heavy and thrash metal with thrashy vocals etc but musical-wise it's amazing. (though i know that we are only on the 1st day of voting and these ratings wont be the "final")

I'm assuming you brought Be'lakor into this because their album is currently tops in the 2012 charts... which brings me to the point that Metal Storm users prefer melodic types of metal to more straightforward ones. The fact their album is rated 9.2 (with more votes) just goes to show you they have more active supporters here who aren't as critical of their work as Kreator fans. You're also comparing a band that has been around since before either of us were born with a band that has been around for less than a decade.

As for it being a masterpiece... I'm pretty sure you think pretty much every Kreator release these days is a masterpiece. Not really gonna bother arguing with your opinion since I've seen how quick you are to anger over such trivial spats (re: Metal Storm Awards nominations).

well i agree on your 1st paragraph. i mentioned belakor just because those 2 albums have a similar release date. of course i had on my mind those thing you "remind" me. i did the comparison though.

i also dont want to argue. on the other hand i have to say that i dont believe every kreator album is a masterpiece. generally i have very high "standards" for what i expect from this band and many times i am harsh with them (maybe with HoC i was overenthusiastic, though i still believe this album deserved a place in the awards). i truly believe that this album is a huge step forward for the band. musical-wise mainly (which is something VERY VERY rare for such an "old" band). this album has 9 songs, ALL different from each other. no repeats, no boring ideas, awesome guitar work, great lyrical themes, great production etc. just because i heard this album from this band i believe now that HoC wasn't THAT awesome. i guess that this is a nice compliment for Phantom Antichrist.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.06.2012 at 21:50

Written by Pazu on 01.06.2012 at 21:34
I'm talking about the average rating. Believe it or not, an 8.5 is still too low for this album.

An 8.5 (85%) is the equivalent to an A in the North American education system. You must be High Expectations Father.

Maybe in Canadia it is, but here in the REAL 'Merica, and 85% is still a B. Which, based on the few songs I heard, might be a little to high. Only heard the title track, From Flood To Fire, and Death To The World, the album gets taken off of Youtube before I have time to listen to it all... But only the title track is really good out of those, and FFTF isn't really good at all.

Written by [user id=111774] on 01.06.2012 at 22:57
Maybe in Canadia it is, but here in the REAL 'Merica, and 85% is still a B. Which, based on the few songs I heard, might be a little to high. Only heard the title track, From Flood To Fire, and Death To The World, the album gets taken off of Youtube before I have time to listen to it all... But only the title track is really good out of those, and FFTF isn't really good at all.

(It's been a while since I've been graded on any assignments, but I think your system is the same as ours. I'm pretty sure my earlier statement regarding our scoring system is inaccurate.)

Regardless, my point still stands about it currently sitting at a fairly high position given its quality. I tend to agree with what you said there... While I haven't listened to the entire album, I did manage a few songs before they were taken down and judging by what I listened to, I'd probably give this a low 7.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.06.2012 at 22:21

South Park Clip...

Man that clip gets me every time

It still baffles me that some people can have so much trouble dealing with other people's ratings of an album that they themselves love... Why do others' opinions of an album matter so much to some people? It should have no impact or effect on how you yourself view the album...

For me personally, 8.4 is slightly higher than I myself would give it. I'd probably give it a 7.8/7.9, or an 8 if I was feeling really generous. Which is still almost a full score higher than I'd rate "Hordes Of Chaos". It's not a bad album, but it's quite a way off from being a classic too. "Enemy Of God" still remains the high-water mark as far as Kreator's post-00's output goes for me.

Written by Absak on 27.05.2012 at 14:35

I honestly think Sodom's and Destruction's latest albums are miles better than this. This completely bored me.

I though Destruction's "Day Of Reckoning" so booring, it's the same always! This at least as some varieties! And Sodom's "In War And Pieces" is a nice album, but i think this still better, but that's my opinion right?