Best hardcore punk band?

To settle the dispute from earlier; Cancer Bats are hardcore, not hardcore punk. It's split into different sort of sub-genres now. They're a metal-hardcore type of act, mixing sludge with modern hardcore. In a sense they are metalcore act. Their first album had a few pieces of punk in there, but as a whole they aren't really hardcore punk in the traditional sense of the word, and thus don't really fit in with this poll.

My vote goes for other - DOA.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 29.03.2012 at 15:51

I've always considered Cancer Bats to be like, alternative punk. Not really "true" punk and very much an MTV outfit.

MTV still plays music?! Anyways, I can get where you're coming from, and I can't agree or disagree. They kind of have appeal in a few different crowds. On one hand they can tour with bands like Billy Talent and other such ilk, but they also tour with a number of metal bands. Regardless, they've got some quality music.

Does Hatebreed count?

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.04.2012 at 04:44

Does Hatebreed count?

No.

This gives me a strong urge to get X's tattooed on my hands and walk around the streets in baggy pants and fitted caps.

Written by Branzig on 04.04.2012 at 06:29

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.04.2012 at 04:44

Does Hatebreed count?

No.

>:(

Written by Branzig on 04.04.2012 at 06:29

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.04.2012 at 04:44

Does Hatebreed count?

No.

Yes it does count since their first couple of albums are hardcore, just like Sick Of It All and Agnostic Front are

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.04.2012 at 12:29
>:(

Hatebreed don't count for anything.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.04.2012 at 17:18

Hatebreed don't count for anything.

My thoughts exactly, and I don't think their first albums were hardcore punk either....

Written by Branzig on 04.04.2012 at 17:52

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.04.2012 at 17:18

Hatebreed don't count for anything.

My thoughts exactly, and I don't think their first albums were hardcore punk either....

And yet they are
So, you also think Sick Of It All and Agnostic front aren't hardcore?

Hatebreed haven't had anything to do with punk if you ask me. Hardcore? Sure. But not punk.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.04.2012 at 19:20

So, you also think Sick Of It All and Agnostic front aren't hardcore?

I do believe that they are hardcore...and BETTER than Hatebreed

Written by Troy Killjoy on 05.04.2012 at 05:14

Hatebreed haven't had anything to do with punk if you ask me. Hardcore? Sure. But not punk.

Hardcore is a punk off shoot, just like brutal death metal is a death metal off shoot

Yeah, this topic seems to have taken a strange turn in differentiating between "hardcore punk" and "hardcore." One is just short for the other (unless you're referring to the electronic genre). If you google it, you won't find a distinction between the two. I shudder to think how many new genres and categorizations have been invented here in MS's history. >_>

Whether post-hardcore is hardcore (punk) is another matter. The "post"-prefix suggests that it's something other than what it follows, usually a reaction to it. Post-structuralism is a reaction to structuralism, post-rock saw itself as moving popular music beyond rock, etc. But to be honest, I really don't hear such a big difference between hardcore and post-hardcore: one is a bit more melodic and may employ more clean vocals, but the basis is the same. Both etiologically, musically and in terms of scene, I would lump emo, screamo and post-hardcore all under the punk umbrella.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.04.2012 at 10:47
Hardcore is a punk off shoot, just like brutal death metal is a death metal off shoot

Poor choice of words on my part. I shouldn't have said it didn't have anything to do with punk, but what I meant was - using the brutal death to death comparison - Hatebreed are hardcore, not punk: much like Bolt Thrower are death metal, not brutal death metal.

Written by IronAngel on 05.04.2012 at 13:14
Yeah, this topic seems to have taken a strange turn in differentiating between "hardcore punk" and "hardcore."

This isn't like, completely unfamiliar territory for me, but I don't really listen to this kind of music really. I assumed "hardcore" was like "black metal", "punk" was like "black metal", and "hardcore punk" would be like "blackened death metal" - for stylistic purposes anyway. But I know hardcore is an off-shoot of punk. I always thought there was like, proto-punk which then evolved into hardcore. But by your definition (and probably everyone else's who knows this stuff) hardcore and hardcore punk aren't separate.

Will remember this from now on.

Well I wasn't around back then either, and I'm far from an expert. But just quick googling confirms my gut feeling that the two terms are used interchangeably.

Yep, a few different sites tell the same story. Consider myself learned.

Written by IronAngel on 05.04.2012 at 15:56

Well I wasn't around back then either, and I'm far from an expert. But just quick googling confirms my gut feeling that the two terms are used interchangeably.

INdeed for old people like me hardcore punk = hardcore. If metal was in the sound of those bands we would and still will call it metalcore.

For me, Hardcore Punk WILL ALWAYS = Hardcore.

If anyone really wants to get a in-depth background in Hardcore I highly suggest the book: "American Hardcore: A Tribal History."

It's soo good and so full of incredible stories from the people that lived it. It will make you realize that hardcore punk will always = hardcore. And that the crap they classify as hardcore today will never live up to what that term really means to me.

Written by Branzig on 06.04.2012 at 20:01


If anyone really wants to get a in-depth background in Hardcore I highly suggest the book: "American Hardcore: A Tribal History."

It's soo good and so full of incredible stories from the people that lived it. It will make you realize that hardcore punk will always = hardcore. And that the crap they classify as hardcore today will never live up to what that term really means to me.

Also get the dvd. It is a great accompaniment to the book

Written by Branzig on 31.03.2012 at 04:05
Discharge

Discharge are fucking boss. I still can't believe the sheer viciousness of Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing and how that monster would have sounded in 1982...

Written by vezzy on 08.04.2012 at 16:44

Written by Branzig on 31.03.2012 at 04:05
Discharge

Discharge are fucking boss. I still can't believe the sheer viciousness of Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing and how that monster would have sounded in 1982...

I know, in 1982 it must of felt like a kick in the face to anyone who wasn't expecting it. "The Possibility of Life's Destruction" alone probably made kids poop their pants.

So delightful, I think I'll go make some Moltavs so I can Protest and Survive.

Written by Branzig on 09.04.2012 at 04:59
I know, in 1982 it must of felt like a kick in the face to anyone who wasn't expecting it. "The Possibility of Life's Destruction" alone probably made kids poop their pants.

So delightful, I think I'll go make some Moltavs so I can Protest and Survive.

For me the highlight is "Drunk With Power". That thing is utterly colossal.

also wtf is a Moltav

I've heard of a Molotov, but that must be some neo-anarchist take on it.

Written by vezzy on 09.04.2012 at 13:46

Molotov

That is what I meant to type, must of been going to quick.

It is an improvised hand explosive. Usually a bottle filled with some form of highly flammable liquid or napalm like fluid, then you put a piece of cloth in the top of the bottle, light, throw and ENJOY!

Written by Branzig on 09.04.2012 at 16:33
It is an improvised hand explosive. Usually a bottle filled with some form of highly flammable liquid or napalm like fluid, then you put a piece of cloth in the top of the bottle, light, throw and ENJOY!

Branzig's Concise English Dictionary. Thanks, but I wasn't asking for a definition.

So, what about... Dr. Know? They're pretty killer too.

Written by vezzy on 09.04.2012 at 21:33

So, what about... Dr. Know?

Ah yeah, Nardcore!

I haven't listened to them since probably high school, but they kick ass. I love their aggression.

You like Crust?

Into Doom or Aus Rotten?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.04.2012 at 21:44

Written by IronAngel on 05.04.2012 at 15:56

Well I wasn't around back then either, and I'm far from an expert. But just quick googling confirms my gut feeling that the two terms are used interchangeably.

INdeed for old people like me hardcore punk = hardcore. If metal was in the sound of those bands we would and still will call it metalcore.

It would be logical, yes. Unfortunately, when you use the term "metalcore" with anyone under the age of 30, they assume you're talking about bands like As I Lay Dying or Bullet For My Valentine. I usually just phrase it like "hardcore-metal" when trying to describe it. As much as Branzig tries to deny it, bands like Hatebreed and Cancer Bats are hardcore, yet they don't really fit in with what most people these days consider "metalcore".

Written by Branzig on 10.04.2012 at 06:13
You like Crust?

Into Doom or Aus Rotten?

Doom are awesome. As well as Amebix, Hellbastard, Sore Throat, Nausea...

But I haven't heard of Aus Rotten. Will check them out.

Written by vezzy on 10.04.2012 at 09:48

Doom are awesome. As well as Amebix, Hellbastard, Sore Throat, Nausea...

Fine taste in punk my friend.

Written by Doc G. on 10.04.2012 at 09:03


It would be logical, yes. Unfortunately, when you use the term "metalcore" with anyone under the age of 30, they assume you're talking about bands like As I Lay Dying or Bullet For My Valentine. I usually just phrase it like "hardcore-metal" when trying to describe it. As much as Branzig tries to deny it, bands like Hatebreed and Cancer Bats are hardcore, yet they don't really fit in with what most people these days consider "metalcore".

I thought metallic hardcore was a term to describe metalcore that has more hardcore parts than melodic metalcore bands.