Kosovo - new country at Balkan

Written by APOHAKC on 20.02.2008 at 02:05

And you by Kosovo Republjik are a real pacifist?

And I didn't said you care for Alija didn't I? I juts said he and naser oric are everythin you got in your proud 20 years old history and tradition.

When I said I support genocide? Are you high? ask Naser Oric.

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and something im sure that scraches hes ears KOSOVO REPUBLJIK

I wonder how do you live with yourself, shqiptar.

Go pray to your Tito, the man that comitted biggest genocid on balkan ever.

nonsence
just check who have more ppl in Haag bosniasn or serbs...

@Hanna
i don't see reason for getting banned...

Well, the thing there are more Serbs in Haag shouldnt be your argument, really... By that you only show how Serbs are paying for their crimes and "crimes", but for others, justice closed eyes and everything is forgotten... Just like that... Nazi propaganda, all that is Nazi propaganda.

Written by EddieGunner on 20.02.2008 at 02:09



@Hanna
i don't see reason for getting banned...

Well , argument is ok , but insults are not needed.
This applies to Aronax too of course.

I'm finish with your stupid arguments, you are not welcomed in Serbia, ever again, please, do not come anymore.

Over and out

and yes, there are reasons for banning, a lot of them, you are shameless.

ok we'll finish..
but i won't ask you em i em i not welcomed to serbia, ill come there when and whenevr i want, iw as there and will come if i have reason to come

all of you calm down or I will ban all of you.

As an American, I am really dissapointed my Country is supporting this independence. Let's just give Chechnya, or whoever else Independence. Oh yeah- we will fork out Billions of dollars too until they can take care of themselves. BULLSHIT.

Correct my history if I am wrong- but Orthodox Serbs were in Kosovo before the Ottoman Empire right? If so- then Kosovo needs to stay Serbian. Sure Ottomans came, spread Islam, and left. Thier history is rich & very historic, they deserve that. They kicked ass back in the day...but they are gone. Give Kosovo back to thier roots- Serbia....

Yes- Serbia is Serbia, it's right here. I didn't make this up, it's history...Each time the Serbs take back thier country. They should do it again!

Serbia and Montenegro
Serbia was at one time part of the ancient country of Illyria. The Romans conquered it in AD 44 and governed it as the province of Moesia. The Goths began attacking the area in the 3rd century, but after 395 it was part of the Byzantine Empire. During the 7th century, Serbs settled in the area west of the Morava River and subsequently gave allegiance to the Byzantines.

Ottoman Control
The Serbs were united by Stefan Nemanja, who established the first kingdom of Serbia about 1168. Serbia gradually expanded until, under Stefan Du?an (reigned 1331-1355), it controlled much of what is now the FRY, in addition to Albania and Greece. At the same time, however, the Ottoman Empire, based in what is now Turkey, was also expanding. In 1389 the Serbian army was defeated by the Ottomans at Kosovo in the Battle of Kosovo. Sporadic fighting continued until 1459, when the Ottomans captured Smederevo, south of Belgrade. Serbia then came under direct Ottoman rule.
After 345 years of subjugation, the Serbs were reunited under Djordje Petroviç, known as Karadjordje. Beginning in 1804 they waged a nine-year revolt, but the Ottomans regained control in 1813. Two years later a second revolt was led by Milo? Obrenoviç. Within a few months most of Serbia was free of Ottoman domination. Obrenoviç was recognized as hereditary prince in 1817, and Serbia was granted limited self-government. Following the Russo-Turkish War of 1828 and 1829 (see Russo-Turkish Wars), Serbia gained greater autonomy, and the number of Ottoman garrisons was reduced.

Obrenoviç had been implicated in the 1817 assassination of Karadjordje. This led to an intense rivalry between the two dynasties. An arbitrary ruler, Obrenoviç was forced to abdicate in 1839. He was succeeded by two of his sons. In 1842 Karadjordje's son, Aleksandar, acceded to the throne, but he was deposed in 1858, and the Obrenoviç dynasty was restored. Mikhail Obrenoviç, son of Milo?, engineered a total Ottoman withdrawal from Serbia in 1867. However, in 1868 he was assassinated, and his young cousin Milan gained the throne.

"If war again comes to Europe, it will be because of some damn silly thing in the Balkans"

- Otto Von Bismarck, German statesman, 1898

@Gina73ss
yes there were serb, but if u member on curent USA soil were indians , why don't american goverment don't give that land back to them...

it's stupid to talk about this with conection on old old history, what we should give this land to Pagans then .... whole blakan was their soil then ilirs etc....
in fact let0s kill all ppl and let animals live here , im sure then every war will be stoped

@animal

well true, even first war started in balka, corectly in Sarajevo, dunno is it coincident but austrian hmm emipre was kill by serbian .......then austria attacked serbia and WW1 started



@Kariasakis7
it won't solve problem on planet if u blame Islam for everything,

Yeah, here we go again, again Serbs started everything, listen mate, Franz Ferdinand's murder was a part of a bigger plan, war didn't started just cause of silly murder, that was just a good excuse to attack Serbia, what they planned for a long time.

No one blame islam, but I can bet that you're the muslim since you defend such a illegal state so much, but don't worry, if Kosovo stay independent, Serbia will find nice replacement with some other republic.

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why don't american goverment don't give that land back to them...

it's stupid to talk about this with conection on old old history, what we should give this land to Pagans then .... whole blakan was their soil then ilirs etc....
in fact let0s kill all ppl and let animals live here , im sure then every war will be stoped

You really think like a 10 years old, what are you talking about, what Pagans, this 2008th, what are you talking about? Such examples are stupid and beside that you think you're funny..

@Aronax Of Steel
no im not muslim, my religion don't have anything to do with Kosovo, my conection with kosovo is that fucked girls from there, and thats it.....

why i defend Kosovo as new country is that im sick of serbians who wanted to creat big serbia,,, everybody in world knows that serbia and Croatia wanted to take bosnia for them self on half half.. croats were smarter and done good thing give up, serbians didn't

and dude im sure we'll agree that USA with UK is the strongest in every acpect of life on our planeth, in military economy and everythign... and if they reconite kosovo, i think that should be enough smaller countrys follow the leaders .... so yeah kosovo will be country.........cyprus is in eu and it'+s never accepted by Turkey so kosovo can become one wihtout serbia's YeS

Written by Damnated on 19.02.2008 at 23:05

Written by Valentin B on 19.02.2008 at 22:53

but it does hurt me now that the douches in the hungarian party here will ask for the authonomy of a little bit of land in Transilvania...

i'm surprised that it took you so long to see this thread, because i knew you'll start bitching immediately. this thread is about Kosovo. if you want to talk about how deeply you were hurt by something that didn't happen and probably never will, then open another thread.

yeah, just had to take that off my chest lol

btw what's the US's reaction to the thrashing of its embassy in Belgrade?

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no im not muslim, my religion don't have anything to do with Kosovo, my conection with kosovo is that fucked girls from there, and thats it....

How smart, and you are really not ashamed to write sentences like this one?

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why i defend Kosovo as new country is that im sick of serbians who wanted to creat big serbia,,, everybody in world knows that serbia and Croatia wanted to take bosnia for them self on half half.. croats were smarter and done good thing give up, serbians didn't

Ohh, Serbians who are making great Serbia, I totally forgot about that, I new from the beginning that you have complex of lower value, I just waited the moment you'll admit it, it goes that far that you can't even write Serbia with capital letter, good thin for your ego.

Croats and Serbians, oh, those evil Croats and Serbians won't let us live i peace, blah blah blah, well, listen buddy, I just think logically, if you support Kosovo as an independent state, just cause majority are Albanians, and you screwed girls from Kosovo, your words, how can you be that unbelievably rude and full of yourself to even try to negate Serbian right to have their republic independent, as they are majority there?

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and dude im sure we'll agree that USA with UK is the strongest in every acpect of life on our planeth, in military economy and everythign... and if they reconite kosovo, i think that should be enough smaller countrys follow the leaders .... so yeah kosovo will be country.........cyprus is in eu and it'+s never accepted by Turkey so kosovo can become one wihtout serbia's YeS

I don't have idea what are you talking about, what does it matters who will recognize Kosovo? As long as Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Spain and Slovakia keep their attitude and refuse to recognize Kosovo they can't do shit. Btw, great state that would be that doesn't even have water or electricity but take it from Serbia haha, you are talking about things you don't understand just because of your blind hatred toward Serbians, the bes sentence that describe you is Poturica Gori od Turcina, or, Betrayer of his own blood worst than any enemy.

Bye bye lost Serb, have a nice life in your village of country and fake created nation thanks to communist integration on Balkans and Eastern Europe, no wonder Tito is your idol.

Written by APOHAKC on 20.02.2008 at 12:25

I don't have idea what are you talking about, what does it matters who will recognize Kosovo? As long as Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Spain and Slovakia keep their attitude and refuse to recognize Kosovo they can't do shit.

Our gay politicians can't do anything about Kosovo. Our biggest problem is Fyrom now and their desired name as macedonia. Our veto will be for that state, so don't expect a big support as long as the fyrom problem is not solved.
I hope we won't recognize it though

Yup, I am aware of that problem too, anyway, I do not car who will recognize Kosovo and who will not, I know I won't and every next normal Serbs won't, and also, I am glad to see support from people from other countries, doesn't care for politicians, they are all controlled puppets anyway, and do whatever Z says to them.

I wonder when MetalStorm is going to recognize it too and put it in the countries list. Fyrom is still listed as Macedonia here

Let's also see when Kosovo will be integrated in Albania, because from my point of view, it's the Great Albania that's coming... Fyrom is next... again.

why is that people always become so terribly nationalistic ion that region? Just live together.

Written by Stalker on 19.02.2008 at 21:56



1st - Its Kosovo, not Cosovo, in either language.

2nd - If youve read all my posts you have seen that I said Serbs probably DID commit crimes there, as it is with Albanians. But honestly, go read news, internet is full of them these days, did any of those mention crimes about Serbian civilians in kosovo war?? All I see is mentioning how Serbian army "brutally crushed 10000 Albanian rebels" and so on...

No, I didnt talk to any Albanians form Kosovo, not because I dont want too, but because I dont know any.
And when talking about this, Im very sad to see some idiots here in Serbia, even here in Vojvodina smashing the property of Albanians who live here (they are few), but that is mandatory, whenver there is a conflict somewhere between Serbs and Albanians, you have some idiot who will destroy some poor guy's bakery, ice cream store (albanians are known for making best ice cream )
Those kind of people are the same who did crimes in war, just in uniforms.... and they were on both sides, you see, I dont divide people on nationality, but on the matter are they good or bad.

And media, yes of course, there are lies on media, but for instance, I didnt need to watch any news in 1999 to see what is NATO doing, I saw it with my eyes, but Im sure they didnt show that in America and UK....

I think I have missjudged you. I took you for a person that only see albinians as carbage, but now I understand that you're only speaking of territory and goverment here, not about the people living in it. You are one of the few people here that are strongly pro-serbian, but keep the debate civilized, so I'm sorry for thinking of you as a simple racist, I appoligize for that.


Regarding the news reporting in favor of Kosovo (thanks for the correction btw!) and kosovoalbanians...Serbs is in the majority, so is not unlikely that you commited the most "crimes". How many that were fair and how many that were mere slaughter, I don't know. I didn't state that NATO is without quilt either. In fact, they have alot of explaining to do. Like you, I'm not so sure US and UK report was neutral, but their are other news aswell. Unfortunally I don't remember how the news report were in Sweden at that time, but we do have refugees from both sides(majority serbs).
However, you stated something very important earlier, that the serbs has allready paid for their crimes. I hole heartly agree with you and your pararell with the nazi trails. The side that got the most sympathy(most casuliets and/or winning side), their crimes are more easly ignored. Western allies crimes in WW2 went outnoticed, just like the albanian crimes in cosovo also went unnoticed(save for some terrorist attacks). It's not right, but unfortunaly it happens. But Germany moved on, just like Serbia have to do(and are). I'm glad that Serbia will not take this into war, as a further war would trigger a situation simular to that of israel/palestina.


@Gina73ss: Not that I doubt you, but do you have any sources for your statements?

I see a great tensions coming with all these new emerging states...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.02.2008 at 13:01

why is that people always become so terribly nationalistic ion that region? Just live together.

HAHA!

there is no point even to start explaining what is wrong with this sentence.

Written by iaberis on 20.02.2008 at 12:58

I wonder when MetalStorm is going to recognize it too and put it in the countries list. Fyrom is still listed as Macedonia here

It looks like they already did.

Written by iaberis on 20.02.2008 at 12:58
Let's also see when Kosovo will be integrated in Albania, because from my point of view, it's the Great Albania that's coming... Fyrom is next... again.

It is hard for some people to understand such easy things..

Written by APOHAKC on 20.02.2008 at 13:20

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.02.2008 at 13:01

why is that people always become so terribly nationalistic ion that region? Just live together.

HAHA!

there is no point even to start explaining what is wrong with this sentence.

There is nothing wrong with that sentence because in MOST other parts of the world people also manage to that.

As ignorant as you are, I don't except you to understand, but I wonder how would you think if half of your family were killed and your house burned in your own country.

and, regarding nationalism thing, the difference between me and some people here is :

I base my nationalism on love for my people and country, while some people here base it on sick hatred toward other country and it's people.

@Marcel H.
in most of otehr parts of world ppl r normaly, this ain't case here in balkan...
im sure u don't expect from youre closest neighbour and family friend to become a member of Chetniks' and kill and rape ur friends.... thta what happend here back in '90s


@Aronax Of Steel
not that i defend kosovo cause of that chick, i just said thats only i got with kosovo, i have mor ein comon with Serbia then with Kosovo, i have a lot of relatives living in Serbia, none in Kosovo,
and who the fuck cares about letters.......
and if serbians that live here in bosnia have that right for independeci, then those ppl who live in Sandjak (south part of serbia one border with MN) have that right too, hungarians in Vojvodina, Croats in Vojvodina, ......
and yes it's very importent who will recoginze kosovo as republic, i know why spain won't do it, why greece romania and slovakia won't ..... but when big countrys do it... small will follow trust me soon or later even monte negro and bosnia will do it.... it don't need to be this year maybe not next but in few years they will....
it's very importen if u r recognized by huge or small country see north cyprus accpet by Turkey only and what they got nothing.-...... im sure they would have much more if they r accpeted by USA or UK or even Russia



Macedonia question is only betwen greece and Macedonia now, but im sure they'll find the solution with this name.... i know greeks r afraid to accpet name Macedoni cause their region with same name..... and some historical meaning of that name..... i have friends from macedonia who sayin Alexander is their here, i learned in skool he was greek here, and also i heard from some ppl hes bulgarian too...

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Macedonia question is only betwen greece and Macedonia now, but im sure they'll find the solution with this name.... i know greeks r afraid to accpet name Macedoni cause their region with same name..... and some historical meaning of that name..... i have friends from macedonia who sayin Alexander is their here, i learned in skool he was greek here, and also i heard from some ppl hes bulgarian too...

And yet again you mess into something you know shit about, some historical meaning? So, history stealing is fine with you? I didn't expect anything else from you though.. some region, Megas Alexandros Skopijan? haha

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in most of otehr parts of world ppl r normaly, this ain't case here in balkan...
im sure u don't expect from youre closest neighbour and family friend to become a member of Chetniks' and kill and rape ur friends.... thta what happend here back in '90s

You'd be great CNN reporter, or maybe for B92? What happened in 90's in Bosnia is your fault, and what happened in Srebrenica is also your fault, it wasn't Serbs that slaughter Serbs on Orthodox Christmas, if you start a battle, be ready for the consequences Eldin.

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not that i defend kosovo cause of that chick, i just said thats only i got with kosovo, i have mor ein comon with Serbia then with Kosovo, i have a lot of relatives living in Serbia, none in Kosovo,
and who the fuck cares about letters.......

I hope your relatives have more clear sense then you, otherwise, I don't see why they live in Serbia when they can go to Donji Vakuf to bitch about evil Serbs with you, if that helps your ego.

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and if serbians that live here in bosnia have that right for independeci, then those ppl who live in Sandjak (south part of serbia one border with MN) have that right too, hungarians in Vojvodina, Croats in Vojvodina, ......

I do not think so, Croatians and Hungarians are minority in Vojvodina, while Serbs are huge majority in Republic of Srpska. Beside that, all of them have all possible human rights here, can't say the same for Serbs on Kosovo or BiH.

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and yes it's very importent who will recoginze kosovo as republic, i know why spain won't do it, why greece romania and slovakia won't ..... but when big countrys do it... small will follow trust me soon or later even monte negro and bosnia will do it.... it don't need to be this year maybe not next but in few years they will....

it's very importen if u r recognized by huge or small country see north cyprus accpet by Turkey only and what they got nothing.-...... im sure they would have much more if they r accpeted by USA or UK or even Russia

You lost my point, I won't even bother to explain some non-material/political things that are going on here.

Serbians r majority cause they killed most of none serbs that lived there,..... and those they couldn't kill thos ppl in fair run away from part of Bonsnia and herzegovina whr now serbs r majority back in '80s they wasn't majority in those parts specialy in east bosnia.......check the WW2 back then chetniks made huge crims thr in same region whr they did in 90's
and we r guilty for Srebrenica... u r idiot,,,,, sorry but you r.... someone who saying that is idiot ....... would goverment in blegrade kill and raped and slaugthered 10 ooo of own pppl, own serbs.. id oubt that one so don't mention srebrenia u knwo shit about this......

i see u checked my profile learned whr i live and what my name.... if u want ill give you my cell phone nomber too, maybe u'll come to find me here aand smash me like u said.....

my relatives don't have reason to come and live here, they r born and lived for ages in Serbia and they will stay there......

and serbs have more right here in Bosnia then croats that for sure..... ask anyone of Bosnians croats if u know... and he will tell you that

Written by EddieGunner on 20.02.2008 at 14:08

i see u checked my profile learned whr i live and what my name.... if u want ill give you my cell phone nomber too, maybe u'll come to find me here aand smash me like u said.....

haha I didn't said that, I said you deserve that, and now you talking bullshits haha

Goodbye mister though guy, have no time for this shit.

Written by APOHAKC on 20.02.2008 at 01:19

Man, I wish I can smash your face one day, especially for 1389 comment!

see u did said

I'm following this issue with great curiosity.

I read that Kosovo has a 90% Albanian population and 5% Serbian. I'm not surprised they want independence, but I'm also not sure that breaking apart a country is the best option. How will this make life better for the people of Kosovo? For the people of Serbia? If people need to live together in peace, why does it matter whether or not they are separated by a border on a political map?

I suspect that early American support for Kosovo independence has political motivations and may not be in the best interests of the Balkans. Separation can have economic consequences that are difficult to predict. It is better to take the time to carefully analyze the situation, and I am concerned that some countries did not do that before coming out in support of the Kosovo secession.