is it a problem? or is it a good thing?
if its a problem, how do we fix it?
i personally think that at the rate the world population is going, we would cause our own judgement day before God planned to. i mean, look at countries like China, and India. sure, their economy is going high, but at the same time, the world pollution is going high. sure china put a limit on thier child birth, and they limited a couple to only have 1 child. if they exceed that limit, they would be paying tons of taxes. India on the other hand doesnt have that limit. its population is almost 1 billion(that is 1 sixth of the world population), and its still sky rocketing.
Kenya's population growth rate is at a 4.6(or was it a 4.8?) percent. what that means is that in the next 16 years, their population would double. and then it would take them 12 years to double that. and then 7 years to double that. Kenya's growth rate is by far, the fastest in the world. and has been the fastest in over the 100 years or so?
what does over population mean to the world? well, for one, the more people there are, the more land they take up. for example, 75% of the kenyan population is living on farmlands. if that wasnt bad enough, countries have to get rid of tons and tons of forests to make room for more people to live. since the government cant keep up with such a big population, people start to take matters in their own hand. they start cutting down woods for fire, or thier stove. and if they are hungry, they start hunting, which is bringing the animal population to a down low as well. and if you look at this in an economic point of veiw, if people start living on farmlands, than the country's government would have to increase their imports just to keep up with the population's demands. and what would happen if the government cant handel that demand? you can only imagine.
just imagine what the world would be like when its population doubles to 12 billion?. people would be fighting for the necsesities needed to live. stuff like water, food, shelter, clothing. and if everyone is cramped together, there would be a huge rise in the diseases(if you know your history, look what happend to athens when they build a wall around their city.). people would be living in their own filth.
and if that wasnt bad enough, if people contine to cut down the trees, then the greenhouse gases would contine to fuck our ozone layer, which would mean that the place would get hotter, and hotter still. is that bad? yes! for starters, the ice caps from the north pole, and south pole will melt. who cares? well, north pole, sure its no actual land, but it is just a huge chunk of floating ice that is around 3 miles deep. (wait..was it 3 or 2 miles deep?) and the ice on south pole is about 3 miles deep. you melt those, and you would get a major flood. the only living lands to survive that would be mountian peeks like mount everest, or those rocky pillars in south america. how can the world population live on those tiny islands? well, they cant. first reason being that it would be so close to the sun, that it would be series of heat strokes. on top of that, man cant survive with ocean water. but then again, our ocean water has been polluted. and we have killed about i think 75% of the fish that lived near coastal areas. so really, we cant live.
and if you think that that wont happen, or its impossible to happen....well they say(discovery channel. you gotta love it!) that the jungel as thick as the amazons has been loosing trees every day. people have been clearing about 1 to 1 and a half lenghts of football fields in trees alone. and with the african and indian population sky rocketing, their forests would be chopped down soon.
a cure? a solution? what, put a manditory ban on couples world wide? that wont work becuase a lot of third world countries need more than one child in the family to either work on the famrs, in facotires, or look after diseased family members. and on top of that, those families alose loose tons of kids becuase of diseases. on top of that, even if we were to put that limit on them, it wont work. reason ebing that people just dont listen.
sow hat is the cure to stop this from happening? shut down all the factories? people are money hungry. that wont happen. im sure someone like billgates can buy a country if he pleases. so that wont work
a war? creat a holocaust to sacrifice all the people in the world? humm...that would be WAY to ethical. and that would also cuase a huge riot, and racism would be on the rise becuase people would say 'who to kill?' anarchy would break down on the streets. no, anarchy is not a good thing becuase it would be that everyman is his own government. it just wont work...
so is over population a serious delema that people should worry about? is there soemthing that can be done to stop it? what should happen? your views and opinions
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taka pretty much summed it up what over population is about, now what can we do about it? We will need enviroment laws and agreement, birth control laws, international programs for making the education possible for people, especially women that don't have the opportunity yet and laws against child labor.. seems quite a lot of work and might feel like there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except vote for right people and hope the best but that's not true.
You can actually make a difference, it's not a big one but it still is a difference.. you're a consumer, you finance all this, you choose where your money go so stop supporting supranational corporations who wastes world's resources, enviroment and uses child labor for maximal profit, these kind of corporations works for example in Asia and Latin-America using cheap labor and destroying enviroment because they don't give a shit, they don't have to.. it's not their country, it's not their neighborhood and most of all, these countries don't have a will or a way to stop it.
Now what you can do about it, stop buying.. stop supporting these corporations, know what you buy.. I mean you do know that someone had to make those $100 pairs of sneakers, right? Well have you ever thought who or where they were made? Maybe now it's the right time to start to think about that.
I'm not going to list any corporations here, there are tons of resources in the net where you can find lists but I'll give you one link where you can find info how to improve the situation in these countries by choosing what to buy: http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/index.htm
Now, I want to make clear that I don't jugde the whole capitalism, there is good sides in it too but the fact is, our well being is built on the poor conditions of 3rd world countries, choosing to not to support it is not communism, it's called solidary.
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Written by Konrad on 22.08.2006 at 22:11
Oh, one more thing...to those of you who think the Earth is actually crowded, LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! I posted earlier about this mabye on page one or two. Go read it.
Overpopulation does'nt necesseraly mean how crowded an area is, but how much there are people compeared to resources( fresh water, food production etc.). Thats why prognoses of overpopulation vary so much - because different analytics take different livingstandards for basis of their theory. More pessimistic scientists say that the living capacity has already bean reached. Others say that earth can support atleast 20 billion people.
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Written by Konrad on 17.07.2006 at 05:08
I look at "overpopulation" in two separate ways. In terms of room on the earth, the land is hardly occupied. It is literally dotted with cities...even countries such as Japan have nice countryside. However, most importantly, looking at the demographics of the global Economical scale, and also take into consideration Global Warming and other ecological issues, we're fucked. In other words, there is plenty of room for more people, but the more people there are, the lower the standard of global living will go.
I'm just going to quote myself here...because I agree with what all of you have said from the beginning. YES ECONOMICAL WOULD MEAN FRESH WATER AND FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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all of u guys r right.but i remembered that there r some places that aren't popilated yet like antarctica or the deserts.we should send the hippies,homeless and the chinese there so we wont have to kill them.if they die it wouldn't be our fault.we would blame them.and about decidind who has the right to live or not: we could start random wars between nations for no reason so that in the end there would be only one country and we should kill all gay men,bi men and transexuals cuz they're useless and disgusting and they deserve to die.oh and i'm sorry to say this but the handicaped ppl should be killed.i mean they don't like their lives and it would be better for them to die than to live like that.dunno but if i didn't have a arm or a leg i'd suicide.i wouldn't want to live like that.
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Written by [user id=15442] on 25.08.2006 at 01:15
all of u guys r right.but...
the rest of your post however sounds like you didnt read any of the other posts in this thread... :
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Agreed with Bas2 here.
Ending the life of one group, whether it are hippies or homosexuals or whatever, is in the least to be called 'arrogant'. Simply because you want to get rid of the people 'useless' in your eyes, indirectly makes your opinion 'the right one'. Also that you don't want to live without a leg, doesn't mean someonelse doesn't want to live like that. Again, you take your own opinion, see it is the right one and want to modify the world to it. I believe that is called something like 'fascism'.
I have to admit, I get sick of reading your post only. So I will politely ask you to next post something with more sense, or I feel obliged to report you to one of the moderators.
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ever seen the film 'Soylent Green'?
it is an old film based on an even older book
the story is set in the future (2020 i think) and the world is over populated and food is running out
it might be worth people here looking into if you havent seen or read it
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No, have never heard of it.
Is it written by an english writer? I am searching for some interesting books to put on my list, I don't want to end with 'Pride And Prejudice' like everyone else..
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no unfortunatly, it was written by an american - Harry Harrison
haha i remember by English lessons getting through books
'Tess Of The D'Urbervilles' was the most boring book i have ever sat through!!
we did 'Of Mice And Men' though and i really liked that one..
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And again we go so much off-topic.
Anyway, American is perhaps allowed too. It is sort of English after all. I'll try. thanks!
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lah de blah de bootsy noe.
aright, so this university prof of mine says that the population is actually on a decline when compared to 100 years ago. sure, we have more people now, comparing to 100 years ago. but our rates are of birth per 1000 are much much lower than they were a century ago. but the main reason why we have more people now is simply coz of the medication, better food, more stable environments and stuff...
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The GROWTH rate may be at a decline, but the global population in general is definitely not. I think this is what you are trying to say and if that is the case I definitely agree with you.
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Yes, but what would that matter? If it still means an increase in people, the Earth's still getting over populated.
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That's what all of us agree on...
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Yes, so what Soliloquy is talking about is not really the point..
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The only hope for man as a species is that science will be able to keep up with population growth. As stated earlier at this point
their is a logistic problem with food not a food shortage. But at some point that will be trumped by a pure shortage. Hopefully
science will be able keep doubling food production using current crop levels.
But no fear. The earth will find a way solve the issue. Either through a famine, a flu, or some other disease. Or man may solve
the issue with a nuclear war. And then the cockroaches will have a few million years to evolve again  .
the movie soylent green is a cool movie if you get the chance.
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Written by Baz Anderson on 03.09.2006 at 23:28
ever seen the film 'Soylent Green'?
it is an old film based on an even older book
the story is set in the future (2020 i think) and the world is over populated and food is running out
it might be worth people here looking into if you havent seen or read it
Ever seen "Thank you for Smoking"? Cigarettes are the cure from overpopulation, maybe one of the unpleasant methods, but atleast it works.
In some way, i think it is a good thing, overpopulation pushes human race to research how to colonize other planets, for instance, some Japanese companie are allready preared for colonizing mars, only thing left to do is just lunch shuttels into space, as far as i remember it's going to be near 2010.
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Written by Eight on 02.11.2006 at 16:54
Written by Baz Anderson on 03.09.2006 at 23:28
ever seen the film 'Soylent Green'?
it is an old film based on an even older book
the story is set in the future (2020 i think) and the world is over populated and food is running out
it might be worth people here looking into if you havent seen or read it
Ever seen "Thank you for Smoking"? Cigarettes are the cure from overpopulation, maybe one of the unpleasant methods, but atleast it works.
In some way, i think it is a good thing, overpopulation pushes human race to research how to colonize other planets, for instance, some Japanese companie are allready preared for colonizing mars, only thing left to do is just lunch shuttels into space, as far as i remember it's going to be near 2010.
keep in mind that colonizing other planets is much harder to do than just that, simply becuase it takes us AGES(years) just to get to mars on a space shuttle. our lil shuttles can not pack years worth of oxygen, food, and some sort of release mecinism to release the human waste, and carbon monoxide gathered up in the shuttle. and besides, once we get to mars, i highly doubt we will have enough gas to come back. so it would be a basic crash course.
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That is up to the scientist to calculate. There tests for fuels which are way better than what we use now.
Also, I once heard this crazy idea about an elevator to the moon. It would simply be a very tall tower, that went to the moon or something like that. Well, not exactly of course, but I don't remember all of it. That would be fun.
Doesn't have anything to do with overpopulation though.
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Written by Lucas on 08.11.2006 at 18:48
That is up to the scientist to calculate. There tests for fuels which are way better than what we use now.
Also, I once heard this crazy idea about an elevator to the moon. It would simply be a very tall tower, that went to the moon or something like that. Well, not exactly of course, but I don't remember all of it. That would be fun. 
Doesn't have anything to do with overpopulation though. 
Maybe we could ship some people off to the moon?:P
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Aside from air and water, Gravity is one of the largest obsticles. There was a test on mice, where one was born normal and another in an anti grivity situation. They then dropped them both in a pool of water, they one born without gravity did not know which way was up while the other landed feet down at the bottom.
Ive seen models of these large donut looking gravity cylinders that would spin around an aircraft to simulate gravity. Where this is important like some else has said that it takes to many years reach the outer limits of our solar system. One would have to bear children in space in order to reach that far.
Nature anyhow will probably solve the issue for us. Nothing a plague or two would not fix
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Written by akatana on 23.08.2006 at 21:36
In my oppinion three things must happen in order to begin the process of a lasting solution. First get india to have birth control laws, secondly education is needed in asia, africa and middle east(education will eventualy overcome religion and thus the many problems that come with it) and third get USA to use resoures more efficient.
Let's assume you are right here. I am sure you will agree that "how" is a much greater problem than "what". Those three countries are, in fact, among the very most powerful of the world. It would be virtually impossible to "force" anything on them. You gotta convince them that's the only thing to do. Now, as difficoult at it might be to have USA rethink their resource management, that would still be the easiest job on the list. Well to be honest I don't know what's the indian position on birth control, but it seems very unlikely that they will change ANY of their internal policies according to external (and especially "western") demands. In fact they would probably be outraged by this "arrogant attempt to limit the freedom of their great country". Ahem.
Of course, worst comes last. Education in Asia, Africa, and middle East, to, among other things, overcome religion and "the many problems that come with it". I assume you are referring to religious extremism, especially islamic, that thrives and feeds on poverty, uneducation, and desperation. Oh sorry I guess I've just been discriminative... OF COURSE all religions have extremists fringes, and there is NO PROOF that islamic extremists are more agrressive and influential than others. It's just the media focusing attention on them. Pardon my outrageous, though momentary, lack of political correctness. Anyway, the idea sounds nice, sure. I have little doubt that if those countries had educational and living standards comparable to european or northamerican ones, there wouldn't be much room nor need for any kind of extremism. But, sadly, you dont just go there and bring culture. Even humanitarian aids won't change the situation. That's because the extremists (who, due to the fact that they control education, have the ideological support of the majority of the population), don't want it to change, at least not that way. Point is, they can be very convincing with their methods. Way more convincing than culture, as sad as it is. Reaction to different opinions will include, apart from a verbal judgement that doesn't have and doesn't need to make any sense, certain and compulsory "material" punishment, ranging from imprisonment to torture to (possibly quite excruciating) death. And as much as this state couldn't exist if there was education, education can't exist while this state remains. This isn't the same as "civilizing the barbarians", which has been fairly succesfull in the past. That's because those populations didn't have any "cultural defense" against foreign ideas, or very little. On the other hand, these new extreme regimes and movements are specifically built to be fortified against any innovative and progressive influence. They keep a watchful eye on every aspect of society and, unlike in sci-fi movies, rebels get caught pretty fast.
And that's it, yea. However, I don't want to sound like a catastrophist. In time, I think these problems will be solved or at least controlled, sooner or later people and countries will be forced to realize that only a change in views and habits will allow us to move on, and extremism will collapse under it's own unflexible, anachronistic and unfit structure (though we may need to give it a few pushes here and there). It's going to take a lot of courage, effort, and sacrifice, though, just as it always did...
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I believe that over-population IS a problem in certain areas of the world. And it will continue to worsen if protection doen't become easier to come by in the impoverished countries. These are the areas where the counrty can't afford to maintain it's people. Well, I strongly doubt you can convince the inhabitants to just stop having sex, so the reasonable choice would be to provide them with the knowledge and means to prevent from un-wanting pregnancy.
When you see these Afican or Asian families of 8 or 9 starving under some roof made of twigs and mud, it's all you can do but to wonder why their country can't simply suggest to their people, Smaller Families Means More Food To Go Around! I understand that the economy of such places won't provide for means of passing condoms out to anyone with an open hand, but they certainly could take meassures to try and make protection somewhat available, lessen the chances at least. Maybe even educate them more on sex and S.T.D.'s and persue the importance of protection, so they have some motivation to actually put it to use.
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Well, I think overpopulation is possible only in one way when people doesn't fight between each other... War is the only way (not included infectious diseases and cataclysms) to regulate worldwide population... It is may seem very dark and savage for almost people but I think it is necessary... Population can't be regulated by any prohibitions.
Look at this countries (almost whole Africa) when people keeping kill each more often and in bigger range. There is no overpopulation problems, isn' it? The most dangerous places are this, where people can easily reproduce themselfs and where is no warfare (like China).
In poorer and primitiver places then Europe, USA and Japan (for example), the most valuable thing is not money and earn the money, but to have, as much as possible, offspring.
In capitalistic countries people focus rather on materialistic values (i. e. possession)... so I don't really think that overpopulation is possibly in Europe. Maybe in one case: if too many Asians (Chineses) or Arabic people will arrived and settle here...
Also very importent aspect is: how many of all living people are healthy beings.
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@Ulven i Manden: I actually agree with you fully. Without war, the human race would be considerably larger than what it is now, and we're a big enough problem as is. As a matter of fact, WWII is probably the savior of the human race, seeing as how that brought down enough of our population to keep it down for a while.
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Seems strange to admit it, but I actually think that Arian Totalis is right now that I think of it. Hitler could actually be some sort of hero in a weird way.
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Written by Arian Totalis on 06.12.2006 at 01:15
...As a matter of fact, WWII is probably the savior of the human race, seeing as how that brought down enough of our population to keep it down for a while.
Indeed, after WWII European societys have rather concentrated on reconstruction destroyed infrastructures (factorys, manufactorys etc.).
I think Europe recognized that real power lied in development of technologys...
Maybe war seemes to be cruel way of stop overpopulation but who said that cure therapy is pleasant?
After WWII social and population situation in Europe has been stabilised... in opposition to the China, India and Arabic sides (the most dangerous places in overpopulation meanings)...
@Warman: original opinion... I think it can be compared to the almost all well-known commanders...
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Man, I see overpopulation at my school all the time. Dumb ghetto skanks are getting pregnant and spreading their stupid skank genes and overpopulating the earth with morons! It's something that our society will be too afraid to ever solve, so chances are it will lead to some nasty consequences in the future. We won't be able to feed the millions of starving babies, so they'll die. We won't be able to supply essential needs to the increased number of people so, of course there will be a struggle... that is, people will end up fighting eachother for basic necessities. The quality of life will diminish as the population increases. Kind of a worse case scenario, I guess but it seems pretty possible in my mind.
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Written by [user id=641] on 07.12.2006 at 07:08
... that is, people will end up fighting eachother for basic necessities. The quality of life will diminish as the population increases. Kind of a worse case scenario, I guess but it seems pretty possible in my mind.
I am fundamentally agree with You...
I have also two important matter:
-first: relation between healthy humans and unhealthy. I mean how many worldwide population is in good physical trim.
-second: even if worldwide population will be in good physical fitness (but I think it is impossibly) we can't avoid our destiny (i. e. war)... 
I think that because when something borns it want (must) to grow and progress. when too many things become powerful and strong some of them must "retire" for something "stronger". This "retiring" process calls WAR... Europe, USA, Japan... maybe are in temporary period which will ends by worldwide catastrophe?  How long does it take? I don't know...
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whow...this thing...this post...my very own creation...its still alive! ITS ALIVE!!!
humm, the world war II comment. sure, it was great coz it got rid of tons and tons of industrialized people. and since wwI and wwII happend within 20 years, the total loss is ever greater.....
yet keep in mind that it was those annoying baby boomers that made up for all the loss in the wars, and they had more kids than what was lost in both wars combined! so really, it didnt really make much of a difference. i mean, america i believe had well over 10 million kids under the 'baby boomers'. and america lost perhaps 50 000 people?
as for Canada, canada lost a bit more than 100 000 people in both wars combined. they had about 3 million people being born as baby boomers. so really, we didnt loose anything!
a different arguement, pollution, and global warming...for some reason a few people believe that it isnt the humans who are at fault, but the sun. apperently the sun goes through cycles that puts random rays of energry once every century or so. this gives us heat waves for about 2 decades, before everything comes back to normal.
that is what those stupid 'skeptics' believe. so i raised a question among them, 'those factories, those billions of cars that are releasing tons and tons of gas into our environment, what you think that all that smoke and junk is actually doing us some good? great, why dont we make a billion more factories and really choke up the atmosphere?'
their response: no comment.
and then i said that if indeed the sun was throughing out its 'random rays of heat' like it does once every century...then if that only happens once every century, then why the fuck have our tempuratures have been going higher and higher ever since late 1890,s to today? what the sun is having heart attacks, and has had em for well almost 120 years now?
i dont know why skeptics cant, or rather dont want to blame them, or rather our selves. stupid bunch of people
so question for you is: global warming, is it a human creation? or has all of the solar system, including the sun, and all of natur on earth have made up this really huge and diabolical skeem to get rid of us, the humans, once and for all?
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