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Posted by Unknown user, 26.11.2011 - 03:22
Show me some love.
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07.01.2012 - 19:56 Written by Elio on 05.01.2012 at 00:37 Obviously I wouldn't cheat... If I would cheat on a woman I love, I would never forgive myself. However, I think I read that every 5th or... hey, every 3rd if not 2nd woman cheated on her husband. If you visit some date-site, the ads there are either "girl, 18, looking for sponsor" or "woman, 26, married, looking for a lover". There was even an ad where a woman had written "I dream of having a child with another man so that my husband doesn't know. Anyone, call me... don't be afraid, my husband's gonna raise the kid!" I'm not so naive to think that girls are innocent princesses. When they get bored or don't like something about their husband/boyfriend, they spread their legs for the first bloke they consider "perfect"... for the time being. You can't be perfect all the time... nobody is perfect. Don't you ever expect to find a perfect girl and never expect that you'll always remain perfect for her. Written by Angelic Storm on 05.01.2012 at 20:09 I'm sorry to tell you that "the cake is a lie" but cheating is so common. I think in Estonia everybody cheats on their husband/wife. Women are no better than men. As I said, I'd never forgive myself if I cheated on a woman I love. It would be especially awful if we had kids. Relationships are based on trusting and respecting each other. Nowadays people usually neither trust not respect each other. They become hateful after first conflict. I once was on a trip where among the tour group there were a young couple on their honeymoon. They were all cuddly and cute during the first days but later they acted as if they were worst enemies. When flying back, they chose to sit in the opposite ends of the airplane. A lady commented on that "Good God! I managed to live 20 something years with my husband... nowadays youngsters can't even manage three days of marriage." I am sad to say but I think that I prefer not to have any long-term relationship. It's very difficult to find the right person, especially because people always change. The girl I meet at a bar or something is not going to be the same after a longer period of living together. Besides, I'm an unpleasant person to live with. I will never expect a woman to consider me "the dream husband I've always waited for". Just the same way I'm not going to expect to meet a perfect wife. Nowadays marriage is a failed conception anyways. It's a rarity if someone has a normal and happy marriage and such cases are subject to evil gossip because it's considered abnormal that someone can be happily married without breaking up or cheating on each other. There was a good article about a girl in her twenties who worked in a warm country as a bartender. She candidly spoke how she had three blokes effing her. The first one was nice and kind and had lots of money. The second one was a football player and was simply attractive in the eyes of the girl. The third one was a random bloke the girl just fancied. The two latter dudes knew that they weren't the girl's only f-buddies. The one who had the wallet, naively thought that he was the girl's only love. He was devastated when he found out. The girl said that "But it's normal! I'm young and beautiful, why not enjoy life and attention of guys." Sure, she received the money from that one bloke but didn't want to fuck him that much. The other two were for her own personal pleasure. Some Estonian female celebrity (famous for being famous for unknown reasons) said that "But I can't sleep with just one man. We live in order to have sex with multiple persons so that we can learn from every one of them!"
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09.01.2012 - 07:50 Written by nana.MD on 05.01.2012 at 20:23 Yes, I think a lot of people, especially women, believe they have the capacity to make a rogue change their ways. That they will be the ones to make them into a faithful, and respectful partner. But more often than not, they are just deluding themselves, and will end up hurt in the long run. As for me being special enough, I really don't think I am, and I definitely feel it would be beyond me to change anyone like that, so probably wouldn't even try. I often wonder if I myself, am worthy, rather than thinking that a guy should be worthy of me... @Hobbit Viggo: I am sadly well aware that cheating is very common, and also that most relationships these days don't last in the long run. I do often wonder if I'm actually better off because I've never been with anyone, and it's something that I feel very conflicted about. Sometimes I do feel better off, other times I feel a great void inside myself and get depressed due to it. I do think that these days promiscuity and cheating has become far more socially acceptable. Which isn't a good thing at all. Not that I have a problem with consenting adults being promiscuous if they wish, but I definitely feel this attitude also seeps in with a lot of people who are actually in relationships. I guess many people don't see cheating as a big deal, or see it as an "easy option" once their relationship hits the slightest difficulty, or they become "bored" with their partner. When it is actually an immense dishonesty, and very hurtful thing to do to someone you profess to "love". As for those examples you've mentioned, of course there are women like that, but that doesn't mean that all women are like that. Just as all men aren't promiscuous slimeballs who can't be trusted. But I guess the fact that people can go public with such things just further highlights how acceptable these attitudes and lifestyles have become in modern society. We've gone from being sexually repressed as a society, to being the polar opposite, so it's just exchanging one set of negative values for another. I'm not saying liberation of people's sexuality is necessarily a bad thing, but it's definitely come at a cost. Maybe I am better off alone... who knows?
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09.01.2012 - 14:35
I think cheating is an interesting topic to discuss. On one side, a lot of people think that monogamous relationships are a thing that should cease to exist, and while that attitude is a bit extreme, nothing in the concept of love states that it should last forever or to be exclusive and that you should never fall in love with another person. BUT. If you wish to have a fling with another person, simply end your relationship. You wish to have an exciting "fling" AND keep your current partner at the same time? Sure, but only if you agreed it's okay to see other people. You're in a monogamous relationship and you're "tempted" but you're afraid you'll lose your partner? Well don't fuckin' cheat, dude/dudette. Make up your mind, either you'll take the risk of going for another or stay with your partner. I think that's fair. I know that not everything is black and white, and that some people have stronger sexual and whatever other urges than others, but if you can't contain yourself for a brief moment in order to tell your partner you've fallen for someone else, and THEN follow through with your adventure, that is not really honest and you've done a bad thing. It's not worth killing yourself over it, but it's not a very nice thing to do. Of course, this only applies to mature adults, as people do all sorts of shit when they're young ![]() As for being with people who have cheated before... Dunno, I wouldn't be so paranoid to say that he will surely cheat again. I'm still in my first relationship (and I hope never to end it, but I won't be so self-assured to say I know what the future holds, I only know what would be good) so I can't judge, but most people who have been in 3+ relationships up to age 20 have surely, if not cheated, been cheated on. Young people experiment a lot with these things. So I wouldn't find it such a big deal, and if he/she promises not to cheat on you and you still don't believe them, maybe you don't trust them enough to be in that relationship. Oh, and btw: Written by Boxcar Willy on 03.01.2012 at 19:41 You kidding me? Move to Europe, son. I know a shitload of girls who'd die to have a biker metalhead boyfriend
---- 7.0 means the album is good
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09.01.2012 - 15:57
^^ I think a lot of people enter into monogomous relationships purely because it's what society, and most families expects of you. Therefore, a lot of people enter monogomous relationships, when that isn't a set-up that really suits them. Unless you are single, or in an open relationship, then it is very wrong to see someone else behind your partner's back. If you have a partner, and your relationship isn't open, then you should end the relationship first before doing anything physically intimate with someone else. And yes, if you don't trust your partner 100%, then you may as well not start anything with them, as the relationship is doomed from the start.
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09.01.2012 - 17:36 Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 14:35 Exactly. When you're young, you experiment. I mean, for the most part. It's a good excuse at least. Younger people have a more difficult time with sacrifice. "What do you mean I can't sleep with everyone I find attractive? WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP IS THIS?" That's why all the college chicks always make out with each other and say they're bisexual, only to realize when they're 30, they're just as boring and normal as the people they swore not to be like when they were younger.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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09.01.2012 - 20:15 Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 15:57 Well, you can't trust anyone 100%, but if you're losing sleep over where he's at just because he cheated once on someone, that's not good.
---- 7.0 means the album is good
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09.01.2012 - 20:30
What about telling someone they're cheating on them?? Once it happened to me, this girl told me she was dating my bf for 3 months and we were going out for a year, I was glad this girl told me because if not I would've continued with this guy...this time I'm on the other side, I know he is cheating and I don't know if I should tell this girl...she's not actually my friend or something like that but I can't help to remember when I was in her place
---- Live how you want just don't feed on me, if you doubt what I say I will make you believe...
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09.01.2012 - 21:53 Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 15:57 I don't think you could ever trust someone 100% right away. Except trying to turn a close friendship into a relationship, which is infamously difficult.
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09.01.2012 - 22:37 Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 07:50 That's normal... we had "socialism" which meant that everyone was poor except for the chosen elite and now we have "capitalism" which means that everyone's even poorer than before and the elite is now even richer than before... Things always change for the worse...
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09.01.2012 - 22:48
I checked out this thread because I have a problem with the word Love. I hate how we use one term to cover a number of different feelings which would be better called something else. I didn't know what love was for most of my life. Because my family was messed up, I was probably influenced by pop culture, and so picked up erroneous beliefs that kept me trying to work on relationships that I shouldn't have. I thought it took effort and sacrifice. It doesn't. I thought it involved pain. It doesn't. I thought it was confusing. It's not. I thought it involved "give and take," but it doesn't. I had so much desire, angst and confusion about it, I didn't even believe in love. Now that I am lucky enough to have it, I have an urge to tell everyone that looks trapped in the same places I was, that, if you're not a %100 sure you have love, you don't. The caring you do have, no matter how much work you do, can never change that. Love is easy! It is so clear when you have found the right person, you will never be more sure about anything in your life. "Love hurts" by Nazareth - good example of B.S.
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09.01.2012 - 23:49 Written by Valentin B on 09.01.2012 at 21:53 I know I certainly couldn't. The irony is, the best chance you have of making a relationship work, is if you were good friends with the person first. But like you say, that isn't always the easiest of things to obtain...Written by Ernis on 09.01.2012 at 22:37 Yep, the more things change, the more they stay the same in that regard. On the surface, we have advanced so much as a species. But scratch the surface, and there's actually very little difference between "humanity" now, and the way it was centuries ago. When things change, even for the better, there's usually a price to pay, and that's the case here I feel.
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11.01.2012 - 11:03 Written by Eve ofApocalypse on 09.01.2012 at 22:48 That's pretty true. Most people know squat about the art of compromise, but when you find someone who does, and you learn a bit about it yourself, it's easy maintaining a relationship if you both really wanna be in it. Taking the distance aside, as most people can't deal with it, most other shit can be worked out. My friend is forbidden to date dudes until she finishes college due to the fact her parents are mentally stuck in the 1950's, but she's been together with one for over a year. They argued over it, been mad at each other, had periods when they didn't see each other for weeks, but they both changed due to that relationship... she became stronger and he became a better person, by far. I don't think anything can separate them now. Whenever I argue over some stupid shit with my boyfriend, I think of her, and how love can be maintained in the worst possible situations, and how silly I am to argue over shit when I have it all figured out for a while. I have a male best friend, female best friend and lots of other good friends, and I confide in them all. But if there's any person I can tell everything to and knock on his door in 4AM when I need some help, that would be my boyfriend. There's no one I treasure more. So cheers to love! ![]() I'm a bit flowery today :3
---- 7.0 means the album is good
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12.01.2012 - 03:05 Written by Troy Killjoy on 29.11.2011 at 20:10 Your story made me sad. :'( from talking to you online, you seem to be a pretty cool guy. I hope you find your true love in the future, I may not be very experienced in the love world, but I know it can be stressful. I hope your life works out for the best.
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12.01.2012 - 03:11 Written by Milena on 09.01.2012 at 14:35 really?My last GF listened to ABBA and HATED dirtbikes, she thought if she sat on one she was going to die. Finding one who likes dirtbikes isn't that big of a problem, but metal... its not so popular up here.
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12.01.2012 - 05:05 Written by Boxcar Willy on 12.01.2012 at 03:11 TRUE. DAT. MANG. I am about a year older than you, never had a girlfriend before. Came close, but someone else got involved, and I kind off backed off, which in retrospect I would not do again, because I have trained my mind and compared to the average sack of beans I am a fucking LION. But back on point, girls just don't go for that shit these days. One thing that puts me off from having a girlfriend is somewhat ridiculous standards, by which I mean I won't go after the personality devoid girls, or anything that looks like a cave troll. You usually get one or the other, not neither, a good looking girl with a nice personality too. Found it, almost had it, didn't man up in the proper time frame, done. I feel like getting a girl these days would not be hard for me either. I know all the tricks, 100% have seen them used and know about them from "experts", and to be honest I would say I'm fairly good looking. Just not gonna bother with trick ass hoes/not interesting/face is a battlefield girls, really. Maybe I will try again if I find the right person, but I think for me that'll be rare. Plus, I can't let anyone in my school know I have emotions. I am the fucking steel falcon of hell.
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12.01.2012 - 05:12 Written by Mattybu on 12.01.2012 at 05:05 The one GF i was talking about was a bitch. I honestely don't know why I even went out with her. :/ I'm now waiting for the right person, I have a few I like but it seeems they have boyfriends... [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfp2hoS7xu1qc9f5v.jpg[img]
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12.01.2012 - 05:15
When you love someone, the last thing you care about is your differing tastes in music. Trust me. It's a bonus if you happen to meet someone you like who shares that interest with you, but at the end of the day it shouldn't be a deal-breaker, even for audiophiles. You can share your love of music together - it doesn't have to be a mutual love for a specific genre.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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12.01.2012 - 05:25 Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.01.2012 at 05:15 I understand where you're coming from Troy, but I get the feeling some girls at my school, and probably others, would consider being a metalhead a genuine bad quality. I guess I can't really prove it, but I really get the feeling. Plus, I get the feeling a lot of high school stuff isn't true love, it's "I wanna lose my V-card so I can brag to my friends so they'll think I'm cool". So many people want to be cool. So many.
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12.01.2012 - 05:30 Written by Mattybu on 12.01.2012 at 05:25 Meh. If people are judging you for something that pointless, they aren't really worth getting involved with beyond a casual relationship anyway. I was a bit of a cool kid in high school in spite of not really identifying with any of the cool kids, but people just seemed to enjoy who I was as a person. They knew I listened to metal, I knew they listened to pop and indie rock, and that was fine because we cared more about who we were as people and as a group. And those are the people you want to surround yourself with, and the kinds of people you look for when thinking serious relationship. Especially if you're thinking about someone on a level as high as love.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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12.01.2012 - 10:43 Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.01.2012 at 05:30 Troy,amen brother, any love is good love (so I took what I could get ). Most people don't even embrace the love they have in their lives day to day because it's not what they want then and there, It's a shame. No condemning people though, just there actions.
---- Coldgrits
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12.01.2012 - 12:19 Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.01.2012 at 05:30 The same was at my highschool, although I infected some three or four people with metal in the end ![]() Dudes, don't be discouraged. One of my friends had to go through shit with five different girls until he finally scored a relationship with a decent one. You can't say "I was unsuccessful" after you gave it one try.
---- 7.0 means the album is good
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12.01.2012 - 19:28 Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.01.2012 at 05:30 Yeah, the funny thing is for a long time I hung out with the cool kids at my school too, like top tier. The guys I would hang around around with were pretty funny, and people didn't mess around with us. A lot of the girls were among the best looking in my grade that we knew, but upon talking to them I discovered that they weren't all that interesting. Most people know I like metal music; I wear Anthrax and Slayer and whatever shirts around school and often listen to music fairly loud in class. I've had brief conversations about it with some girls that usually end with "that's creepy" or "that's weird". And I agree 100% that I wouldn't want to be with someone who would judge you for something like music taste, but I think to a certain extent it does happen.
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12.01.2012 - 20:59 Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.01.2012 at 05:15 I agree with that but for me it's a big plus...I'm dating someone with the same musical taste as mine and it's great, talking about music all the time, introducing each other new stuff...we can just hang around listening to music and talking about it, I really like that
---- Live how you want just don't feed on me, if you doubt what I say I will make you believe...
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13.01.2012 - 01:43
I just saw another brilliant thing that convinced me that love either doesn't exist or is extremely hard to find. A confession of a woman... (I give you a brief summary)... "I don't know why I am writing this but I can't get over it. I am embarrassed because of my husband's job. I can't accept that my husband is just a simple courier at a warehouse. When I married him 8 years ago, everything was beautiful as if in a film. He and his former classmates had a small but successful private enterprise and I also had a well-paid job at a large and important agency. Later our little daughter was born. We didn't have any problems with money at all. We could afford quality clothes and vacations abroad. Two years ago the enterprise of my husband went bankrupt and he had to look for a new job. Since he had become successful with his business already in highschool, he never had pursued any college education which meant he was now considered a simple 28-year-old unemployed man without any higher education. For six months he looked for a job but without any results. Finally a friend managed to get him a job at a warehouse. He's a courier now. We can't afford such a good life any more as we used to. My own income is higher than that of my husband. I am embarrassed. When people ask me how my family is doing, I always tell them that my husband's doing fine with his business or try to avoid the subject alltogether. I can't let anyone know that my 30-year-old husband is a simple courier at a warehouse. I love him, he's a wonderful father to our child BUT BUT I wish I would've married someone with college education. Or someone who knows how to find a better job for himself." I don't think I want to marry at all... I'll better visit whores because at least they admit it... it's all for money and comfy life in the end.
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13.01.2012 - 01:50
I feel sorry for anyone who thinks love is best represented by someone that shallow.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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13.01.2012 - 02:33
Well... I have to admit I think sometimes that "all the best chicks are already taken"...
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13.01.2012 - 02:39
I understand that feeling, but at the same time there are just as many girls out there thinking "all the best dudes are taken". Sad but true.
---- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."
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13.01.2012 - 04:02 Written by -DC-002- on 12.01.2012 at 10:43 B-B-B-Baby
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13.01.2012 - 04:31
Woah, Hobbit Viggo, that letter was disgusting. That woman doesn't love her husband. She must not have liked him for who he was, but for his income potential, right from the start. There are chicks who'll love you for who you are, especially if you're a cool metalhead!
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13.01.2012 - 08:34 Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.01.2012 at 02:39 I only think "all the best dudes wouldn't be interested in me".
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?!! but isnt she was the reason for ur misery for a quite long time and made u bitching as hell on our beloved forum ?!!!
). Most people don't even embrace the love they have in their lives day to day because it's not what they want then and there, It's a shame. No condemning people though, just there actions.