Himann Orm KrigGud
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This album needs no introduction but yes, the words "evil; menacing; dissonant; and dark" perfectly capture the imagery of this album. Good review and an album for the ages.
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RavenKing
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"newcomers to black metal should hear this album anyway before hearing the overly contrived black metal music of today (epic orchestrations and Gorgoroth-like drama included) to completely comprehend what black metal was and should be."
Couldn't agree more. Way too many people nowadays believe that symphonic crap ala Dimmu Borgir is Black Metal and that BM needs orchestrations and artifices to be good, while BM is much greater without such useless artifices. The true soul of BM is visceral emotions, darkness, aggressivity, menacing and sinister music, distorted sound, in-your-face harshness, etc. Useless artifices only detract it from its core.
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Axe Argonian
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05.01.2011 - 01:50Rating: 8
Written by RavenKing on 05.01.2011 at 01:32
"newcomers to black metal should hear this album anyway before hearing the overly contrived black metal music of today (epic orchestrations and Gorgoroth-like drama included) to completely comprehend what black metal was and should be."
Couldn't agree more. Way too many people nowadays believe that symphonic crap ala Dimmu Borgir is Black Metal and that BM needs orchestrations and artifices to be good, while BM is much greater without such useless artifices. The true soul of BM is visceral emotions, darkness, aggressivity, menacing and sinister music, distorted sound, in-your-face harshness, etc. Useless artifices only detract it from its core.
Amen to that!
Recently, I was talking to this one young musician about metal and its various sub-genres. Upon reaching the subject of black metal, I asked him which black metal musicians he liked. Apparently, his answer was Cradle Of Filth.
See, additional but unneeded contrivances like symphonic orchestrations can be acceptable if they're added to compliment the music as a work of art (see latter-day Emperor). Unfortunately, it seems as if most "black metal" artists today (like Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir) employ such orchestrations not to compliment their music in an artistic fashion but to appeal to the popular trends of the genre and make their way onto MTV. That, my friend, is not what black metal was ever ordained to accomplish.
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Richard ElitePosts: 4862 |
05.01.2011 - 03:33Rating: 10
Great review. Under the Sign of the Black Mark is a real classic and as you suggested, anyone interested in Black Metal should give it a listen. It has a great deal of historical and inspirational significance, and even more importantly it still stands up as a brilliant album all these years later - a rough production but a timeless appeal.
I like your use of the words "evil; menacing; dissonant; and dark" - and agree that some modern listeners may be put off by the primitive production, etc. However, if serious Metal enthusiasts are willing to give the album a proper listen, then I think they may really appreciate it, even if they don't usually listen to the really raw stuff. Particularly songs like Woman of Dark Desires, Enter the Eternal Fire and 13 Candles...
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Metal George
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05.01.2011 - 20:56Rating: 10
I love this album. It even has some catchy parts. They don't make them like this anymore.
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quorthon
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07.01.2011 - 09:10Rating: 8
"evil; menacing; dissonant; and dark" no other review catched the very soul of this album with so few words...
great review a even greater album!
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ForeverDarkWoods
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It also captures a lot of my main points about this album. THIS is real black metal. Symphonic plastic shit like Dimmu ain't real. Blast-happy plastic shit like recent Marduk ain't real. Pretentious plastic shit like Drudkh or Deathspell Omega ain't real. Emo plastic shit like Xasthur ain't real. Synth happy folk plastic shit like Nokturnal Mortum ain't real.
THIS is what real black metal sounds like. THIS is the standard according to which black metal should be judged, and the modern shit can get the fuck out.
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vezzy Stallmanite
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THIS.
GUY IS A NEO-CONSERVATIVE CONSPIRATOR OF THE METAL CONSERVATIVE NATION.
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Damn crypto-fascists.
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Only Bathory is real motherfuckers!
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 13.01.2011 at 23:56
Only Bathory is real motherfuckers!
You mean that band that started off as a Venom rip-off?
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2011 at 00:07
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 13.01.2011 at 23:56
Only Bathory is real motherfuckers!
You mean that band that started off as a Venom rip-off?
Yeah, Venom is also real.
Self titled also wasn't a 100% Venom rip off, even if it was clearly very Venom influenced. Still one of the best metal albums there is though.
As for my comically exaggerated post, I was more describing the feeling that the album gives you when you listen to it. Compared to this shit, nearly nothing is real.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
@Forever, as for my Venom rip-off reference that was about the first track on the Scandinavian Metal Attack compilation by Bathory called Sacrifice that one isn't even Venom influenced it just sounds like a pure Venom rip-off I though so back in the day when I got the compilation (for the Oz songs) and still do think so nowadays.
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2011 at 12:18
@Forever, as for my Venom rip-off reference that was about the first track on the Scandinavian Metal Attack compilation by Bathory called Sacrifice that one isn't even Venom influenced it just sounds like a pure Venom rip-off I though so back in the day when I got the compilation (for the Oz songs) and still do think so nowadays.
Damn. Always forget that one was ever released. Sacrifice is also on the debut album and sounds way more Bathory there though.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 14.01.2011 at 12:23
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2011 at 12:18
@Forever, as for my Venom rip-off reference that was about the first track on the Scandinavian Metal Attack compilation by Bathory called Sacrifice that one isn't even Venom influenced it just sounds like a pure Venom rip-off I though so back in the day when I got the compilation (for the Oz songs) and still do think so nowadays.
Damn. Always forget that one was ever released. Sacrifice is also on the debut album and sounds way more Bathory there though.
The Return of Darkness and Evil also sounds Venomish on the Scandinavian metal Attack album but not as bad as Sacrifice but sonds way more Bathory like on The Return...
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2011 at 14:42
Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 14.01.2011 at 12:23
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.01.2011 at 12:18
@Forever, as for my Venom rip-off reference that was about the first track on the Scandinavian Metal Attack compilation by Bathory called Sacrifice that one isn't even Venom influenced it just sounds like a pure Venom rip-off I though so back in the day when I got the compilation (for the Oz songs) and still do think so nowadays.
Damn. Always forget that one was ever released. Sacrifice is also on the debut album and sounds way more Bathory there though.
The Return of Darkness and Evil also sounds Venomish on the Scandinavian metal Attack album but not as bad as Sacrifice but sonds way more Bathory like on The Return...
I know, I've heard it, but I tend to overlook it.
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Richard ElitePosts: 4862 |
15.01.2011 - 04:16Rating: 10
I think Quorthon said in interviews that he wasn't even familiar with Venom's music in the early days of Bathory.. he was just influenced by the same kinds of music as Venom was also influened by at that point, so there happened to be certain similarities.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Richard on 15.01.2011 at 04:16
I think Quorthon said in interviews that he wasn't even familiar with Venom's music in the early days of Bathory.. he was just influenced by the same kinds of music as Venom was also influened by at that point, so there happened to be certain similarities.
That was total bullshit. I remember back when the comp was released he even stated in an interview that he thought Venom were brilliant. Plus back then everyone into metal, even the mainstream had hear about and had heard Venom one waty or the other.
Quorthong became revisionist in that sense a bit later down the road when his music became popular (which did take quite a while btw)
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.01.2011 at 04:30
Written by Richard on 15.01.2011 at 04:16
I think Quorthon said in interviews that he wasn't even familiar with Venom's music in the early days of Bathory.. he was just influenced by the same kinds of music as Venom was also influened by at that point, so there happened to be certain similarities.
That was total bullshit. I remember back when the comp was released he even stated in an interview that he thought Venom were brilliant. Plus back then everyone into metal, even the mainstream had hear about and had heard Venom one waty or the other.
Quorthong became revisionist in that sense a bit later down the road when his music became popular (which did take quite a while btw)
Wasn't there also a pic of him in some zine with a Welcome to Hell LP in the background? I have a vague memory of seeing such a pic but I could be wrong.
Anyway, it is of course obvious that he had heard, and liked, Venom. What he went on to do from the third LP onwards was quite different from Venom though.
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RavenKing
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Perhaps Quorthon was influenced by Venom, perhaps not. I guess we'll never know. But, in any case, Bathory's early albums are all a significant step above Venom, a big improvement over it, as Venom was quite mediocre.
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ForeverDarkWoods
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Bathory, Venom, Mercyful Fate, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost and Black Sabbath. These are the bands that compete for the title of the best metal band in history in my opinion.
Venom was great, if you don't mind stuff to be a bit unpolished. It adds an organic quality to it that practically all bands of today lack completely. Out of all the records I have heard, Welcome to Hell might be the release that felt the most "alive", so to speak, that I have ever heard. It's imperfection is part of it's greatness..
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vezzy Stallmanite
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Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 17.01.2011 at 18:03
Bathory, Venom, Mercyful Fate, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost and Black Sabbath. These are the bands that compete for the title of the best metal band in history in my opinion.
You're way off.
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Hellhammer and Venom?
I believe a "lol" is in order.
Especially for Smellhammer.
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vezzy Stallmanite
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A lol? No, my friend... this is in order:
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I'm tempted to use the Rofl Harris one too but I only used it a week or so ago.
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ForeverDarkWoods
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You guys are just not real enough.
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Like this one!
" Enter The Eternal Fire" is the best track! The guitar in this song is so amazing!
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Slayer666
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A very confusing album for me... Some songs I can't stop playing, some songs I can't stand more than 40 seconds because of how much they bore me. Oh, well, I'll just stick to the ones I like.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by RavenKing on 16.01.2011 at 15:09
Perhaps Quorthon was influenced by Venom, perhaps not. I guess we'll never know. But, in any case, Bathory's early albums are all a significant step above Venom, a big improvement over it, as Venom was quite mediocre.
Venom likes to talk about how much they created, all as I know they wrote one album, and put right name on it, its al about Venom , but still Venom is influences of trOO BM what came from Norge
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