@Daniell sometimes a clear production does work like for instance for a band such as Dream Theater. I would hate a rough production on that sort of music
And tbh RtL had a clear production for that time and a production perfectly fitting the album.
But most death metal just dies a little to a lot when a clear production is employed is just like most funeral doom death/doom doom/death suffer at the hands of a clear production whereas most epic doom gains from it.
So it's not a case of me wanting rough production on every single release around. But Vader would gain immensely if they get a rougher production and like I also said when they do away with the triggers. That would make it all sound a lot more organic and less processed.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2011 at 13:49

@Daniell sometimes a clear production does work like for instance for a band such as Dream Theater. I would hate a rough production on that sort of music
And tbh RtL had a clear production for that time and a production perfectly fitting the album.
But most death metal just dies a little to a lot when a clear production is employed is just like most funeral doom death/doom doom/death suffer at the hands of a clear production whereas most epic doom gains from it.
So it's not a case of me wanting rough production on every single release around.

Even though I was mainly kidding about your love for bad production, I agree with you to some extent. To some extent, because I think you're breaking world records in complaining about too clear production

Some bands, or even sub-genres, are better off with no-so-clear production. Black metal is the best example - even though lots of excellent black metal releases have good production (like Satyricon's "Rebel Extravaganza". As for doom, I don't really see why, say, Mourning Beloveth should sound better with worse production. Or Evoken, or Mournful Congregation, or Funeralium. I deliberately picked bands that I know you value (and so do I), that have very good, dare I say clear, production, and still their music loses none of its impact. But then we'd have to determine the definition of "clear production" - etc, etc etc. So it's quite pointless to go in that direction. The most neutral and universal thing to say would be that perception of production is as personal as the perception of the quality of the music itself.

The sub-genre on which I completely agree with you about production is death metal. For example, I can't imagine Coffins' "Buried Death" (which I'm listening to right now) with more polished sound. 50% of this album's quality lies in its incredibly dirty, abrasive sound. Death's "Leprosy" is another good example. It benefits from dirty sound. Which is even more apparent when we look at Death's next album, "Spiritual Healing", which, at least in my opinion, suffers from too sterile sound. Examples are galore, and I'm sure you'd quote even more of them

Written by Coconut Racecar on 21.10.2011 at 05:27

The Beast is still their best imo.

Second worst, only after "Necropolis"... Go figure

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2011 at 13:49

So it's not a case of me wanting rough production on every single release around. But Vader would gain immensely if they get a rougher production and like I also said when they do away with the triggers. That would make it all sound a lot more organic and less processed.

I actually somewhat agree here, but I've come to expect a certain kind of clarity on any CD with the Nuclear Blast label on it. Not too much rougher on this one, but it could give it more bite which added on to what it has could be monstrous.

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Written by Xim on 24.09.2011 at 14:16
I think the problem is that scores of 8 are coloured yellow, thus an 8 seems low.

I think the problem is that people don't know how to read when they are voting scores for albums on this site.

I think the problem is that people don't know how to listen when they are voting scores for albums on this site.

I think the problem is that people don't know how to quote others without copying the first few words in a sentence.

I think the problem is problem. >:[

I think the problem is that this new Vader is as yawn inducing as their perevious couple

I think the problem is that there are people too tied up with problems (and seriously.. yawn inducing? )

I think the problem is people don't know how to cut down on quotes.

Marcel would love this if it had a more rough production job. Fact.

I think I'm ruining the joke...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2011 at 13:49

@Daniell sometimes a clear production does work like for instance for a band such as Dream Theater. I would hate a rough production on that sort of music
And tbh RtL had a clear production for that time and a production perfectly fitting the album.
But most death metal just dies a little to a lot when a clear production is employed is just like most funeral doom death/doom doom/death suffer at the hands of a clear production whereas most epic doom gains from it.
So it's not a case of me wanting rough production on every single release around. But Vader would gain immensely if they get a rougher production and like I also said when they do away with the triggers. That would make it all sound a lot more organic and less processed.

I'm a Black Metal and Thrash fan and I think both genres die when production is too clear. Imo, any extreme metal genre asks for raw production.

Just take Slayer as an example. Production on their early albums (until "Hell Awaits", maybe "Reign In Blood") suited the roughness and violence of the music. Now, listen to "World Painted Blood" or even "Divine Intervention" and tell me if their music benefits more from a raw production or a clear one.

Perhaps I have this opinion because I'm old school and like my metal extreme but when it is polished to the point it removes the rough edges, I think it sounds boring and not genuine. Processed, indeed.
Also, I think reverberation adds depth to the sound and helps a lot in creating an atmosphere.
Finally, like you, I hate triggered drums.

Great review, thanks a lot, I'm going to get my Vader album

I got the album, it's great, like I read in this excelent review. Score seems a bit low

Great album. In my opinion score should be a little higher...9/10
Performance: 10
Songwriting: 10
Originality: 8
Production: 9

Written by [user id=111774] on 25.09.2011 at 08:06

As far as this album, just another on the list of great 2011 death metal. Disma, Deceased, Exhumed, Autopsy, Obsucra, Hate Eternal, Origin, Sonne Adam, Nader Sadek, and of course Illud Divinum Insanus

reading that comment now seems a bit strange..........

Written by theFIST on 05.03.2012 at 22:46

reading that comment now seems a bit strange..........

Seeing as the album was released a couple of months before that comment was posted, I think he was being sarcastic

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2011 at 13:28

Every band that uses triggered drums should be shot.

Every...lol! Then we would lose 90% of Extreme Metal...Marcel we are in 2012...Triggered drums can be used badly (over-triggering), but when used wisely they can be great. I think you tend to generalize things that cannot be generalized.