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Release date: 28 November 2011
Style: Heavy metal, Thrash metal

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01. Hammerhead
02. Nemesis
03. Pedal To The Metal
04. Lap Of The Gods
05. Damnation Of Souls
06. Beggerman
07. Hail Satanas
08. Sin
09. Punk's Not Dead
10. Death Be Thy Name
11. Lest We Forget
12. Valley Of The Kings
13. Fallen Angels
14. Annunaki Legacy [limited edition bonus]
15. Blackened Blues [limited edition bonus]

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Guest review by
Mattybu

Rating:
4.2
When it comes to thrash, 2011 treated us quite nicely. Bands like Warbringer, Havok, and Toxic Holocaust were a few on the list that gave my neck a workout. And then there was Venom. I didn't have my hopes or expectations very high, but Fallen Angels was really a disappointing album.

To be up front about it, this album is a mess. Venom put out such a basic album this time around. The guitar riffs are the definition of serviceable, bland, and free of the sharp impact which can make them hit so hard when structured in a more interesting manner. None of them really stuck with me. There weren't any of those "damn, that was so awesome I have to listen to it again" moments that happen every 5 seconds when I'm listening to Warbringer.

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Pap - 25.01.2010 at 12:20  
  I was so disappointed by their latest two releases. Cronos is out of inspiration. I really adored Cast in stone and Resurrection as well as the brutal direction they decided to adopt. I completely disagree with the guys that say that they tried to imitate Pantera. To me the logic evolution of the fathers of extreme metal scene was this one. On the contrary Metal Black and especially Hell showed me that Cronos as the only original member of the legendary trio decided to follow a certain formula apparently pushed by whichever obligation he had by a music contract. I 'm not waiting for the new Welcome to hell or Black metal but he should try to release a decent album.
vezzy - 09.08.2010 at 18:40  
  Venom evolved? Huh, never noticed that.
MiKill - 26.05.2011 at 07:09  
  This is gonna be a 15-track album with about 6 good songs. It's been this way for a while now, I don't suppose Cronos plans on changing the formula any time soon. Course, I'll still buy it like the sucker I am.
Troy Killjoy - 23.11.2011 at 05:56  
  Wait, a musician is promoting his band by claiming only good things about new material? That's a first.
Troy Killjoy - 24.11.2011 at 04:56  
  I don't think they're progressing for better or worse. They've always just been bad.
Troy Killjoy - 24.11.2011 at 05:12  
  I've listened to all but two of their albums, and not one of them is worth more than a 5/10 from me. I don't care who they influenced, to me they just plain suck. Besides, Venom isn't the only influential name in the extreme metal scene.
Butters49 - 28.11.2011 at 02:47  
  Venom's main problem is they never know when to trim the fat... too many songs, only 50% of the material is good/original.
Other then the filler songs, a really stunning band.
Troy Killjoy - 28.11.2011 at 03:03  
  Question: Do I waste time listening to this just so I can give it a low rating.
NLthrasher - 28.11.2011 at 03:35  
  Agree with the fact that Venom on their latest records have a hard time delivering a solid album. They lately deliver albums with a few good songs and some fillers that sound uninsiring. Though with all their good songs you can build up a nice repertoire.
I certainly don't agree with all of their albums being just worth a 5, than it's just not your type of music and you'll probably never like it...
Troy Killjoy - 28.11.2011 at 09:06  
 
Written by Kvltness_94 on 28.11.2011 at 09:01
If you didn't like their first two albums, don't even bother with this one lol.

It was kind of a joke to myself. I've listened to every Venom full-length so far (even though the highest rating I'd give is a 5/10). Don't ask why. Maybe I'm a musical masochist, I dunno. But I'm probably going to listen to this one too, just to say I did and just to say I know they still suck.

I can't let the possibility go that this might actually be a decent album.
NLthrasher - 28.11.2011 at 21:51  
 
Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 09:06

Written by Kvltness_94 on 28.11.2011 at 09:01
If you didn't like their first two albums, don't even bother with this one lol.

It was kind of a joke to myself. I've listened to every Venom full-length so far (even though the highest rating I'd give is a 5/10). Don't ask why. Maybe I'm a musical masochist, I dunno. But I'm probably going to listen to this one too, just to say I did and just to say I know they still suck.

I can't let the possibility go that this might actually be a decent album.

everybody has a strange habbit...
Rob_ - 12.12.2011 at 05:37  
Rating: 4 Don't like it at all.
Void Eater - 19.12.2011 at 04:07  
 
Written by Kvltness_94 on 25.11.2011 at 15:53

I'd give it a 7/10.

That explains the green 10 to the left of your post.
snake? snaaaake! - 19.12.2011 at 04:23  
  Wow, Venom still exist?
Troy Killjoy - 19.12.2011 at 06:25  
 
Written by snake? snaaaake! on 19.12.2011 at 04:23
Wow, Venom still exist?

And after all these years they still haven't learned how to write a good album.
Slayer666 - 19.12.2011 at 13:44  
Rating: 5 Still as crappy and generic as they ever were.
Lit. - 20.12.2011 at 19:46  
  Really, they should've stopped after Black Metal.
Imagine how much more revered they would've been.
Nagrzer - 26.12.2011 at 18:12  
  Beauty music energetic !!
10/10
Mattybu - 29.12.2011 at 23:55  
  Their early stuff was at least fun. This is really not good.
TrollandDie - 08.01.2012 at 01:25  
 
Written by Kvltness_94 on 31.12.2011 at 23:19

Written by Void Eater on 19.12.2011 at 04:07

Written by Kvltness_94 on 25.11.2011 at 15:53

I'd give it a 7/10.

That explains the green 10 to the left of your post.


I gave it a 10 because I still think this is better than Hell and it deserves a 6.9 rating.



Everyone has an opinion and if you think that it deserves a '10' that's fine. However, it's not right to give it a much higher rating to boost it's overall score. Everyone gets a vote to represent what the status quo think of it: nobody deserves to shift an album's overall score based on what they think of it by themselves.

If we go by this principle than the rating of albums become spoiled by these ridiculous ideals of self-satisfaction.
AtrumHiberna - 08.01.2012 at 13:56  
Rating: 8 Before I write my opinion, I'd like to state that I'm a long time die-hard fan of Venom
I didn't like this album at first, but after a few listens I got into it. It still didn't reach my expectations though, but it's a decent, well written album and definitely not their worst offering to date. Songs like Hammerhead, Pedal of the Metal, Lap of Gods and a few others save this album of just being average or bad. I'd rate this album with... hmmm... not over 8 but not under 7 either, I'll probably give it a 7.6.
And something else: Stop calling Venom a thrash metal band! It never was!
Troy Killjoy - 09.01.2012 at 03:57  
 
Written by AtrumHiberna on 08.01.2012 at 13:56
And something else: Stop calling Venom a thrash metal band! It never was!

I think Venom is a thrash metal band.
Slayer666 - 09.01.2012 at 10:02  
Rating: 5
Written by AtrumHiberna on 08.01.2012 at 13:56

And something else: Stop calling Venom a thrash metal band! It never was!


lolwut?

Then what the fuck are they? Do enlighten me, please.
vezzy - 09.01.2012 at 10:32  
  Largely boring, if that counts as a genre. I haven't listened to this though.
Slayer666 - 09.01.2012 at 10:34  
Rating: 5
Written by vezzy on 09.01.2012 at 10:32

Largely boring, if that counts as a genre. I haven't listened to this though.


Have you ever listened to any other Venom album? If so, you've listened to this one as well.
AtrumHiberna - 09.01.2012 at 14:10  
Rating: 8
Written by Slayer666 on 09.01.2012 at 10:02

Written by AtrumHiberna on 08.01.2012 at 13:56

And something else: Stop calling Venom a thrash metal band! It never was!


lolwut?

Then what the fuck are they? Do enlighten me, please.

Maybe some of their later songs in "resurrection" and afterwards have some thrash metal elements, but generally they cannot be considered a thrash metal band. Especially their early works are NWOBHM fused with Speed metal, and because of their lyrics, they are also considered "black metal" too. Of course now I can't call them NWOBHM, but they kept the speed metal elements and their music progressed to a more... how can I call it... "rocker" direction? Which is a natural progression to a band like Venom for me.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong) if I can judge from your profile you don't really listen to thrash metal, and I don't mean just Metallica and Slayer. Try to listen to more thrash metal bands and you'll see why I can't call them a pure thrash metal band.
AtrumHiberna - 09.01.2012 at 14:12  
Rating: 8
Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 03:57

Written by AtrumHiberna on 08.01.2012 at 13:56
And something else: Stop calling Venom a thrash metal band! It never was!

I think Venom is a thrash metal band.

In which sense?
Troy Killjoy - 09.01.2012 at 17:07  
 
Written by AtrumHiberna on 09.01.2012 at 14:12
In which sense?

In the sense that their music largely constitutes as (incredibly boring) thrash metal.
Ozman - 09.01.2012 at 18:37  
 
Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 17:07

Written by AtrumHiberna on 09.01.2012 at 14:12
In which sense?

In the sense that their music largely constitutes as (incredibly boring) thrash metal.


no it doesn't constitute of thrash metal. if that were the case than punk music and Motörhead are also thrash But boring it totally is.
AtrumHiberna - 09.01.2012 at 20:37  
Rating: 8
Written by Ozman on 09.01.2012 at 18:37

Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 17:07

Written by AtrumHiberna on 09.01.2012 at 14:12
In which sense?

In the sense that their music largely constitutes as (incredibly boring) thrash metal.


no it doesn't constitute of thrash metal. if that were the case than punk music and Motörhead are also thrash But boring it totally is.

I'll agree with Marcel Hubregtse. Nothing that is fast necessarily lies to the thrash metal. Both Motorhead and Venom are heavily influenced by punk metal. If you see my other comment on this page, I said that Venom is more Speed metal rather than thrash. There's a huge difference between them.
I'll disagree with the "totally boring" comment though, but I won't try to make you like Venom. Venom is a "love 'em or hate 'em" kind of band, so u can either find them incredibly boring or incredibly awesome
Daniell - 09.01.2012 at 21:37  
Rating: 5
Written by Troy Killjoy on 24.11.2011 at 04:56

I don't think they're progressing for better or worse. They've always just been bad.


Spot on. Even though I hate the word "overrated", it begs to be used here. Venom is a single most overrated band in the history of metal. Their influence etc. aside, they've always been terrible musicians and composers.
Slayer666 - 10.01.2012 at 01:39  
Rating: 5
Written by AtrumHiberna on 09.01.2012 at 14:10

Maybe some of their later songs in "resurrection" and afterwards have some thrash metal elements, but generally they cannot be considered a thrash metal band. Especially their early works are NWOBHM fused with Speed metal, and because of their lyrics, they are also considered "black metal" too. Of course now I can't call them NWOBHM, but they kept the speed metal elements and their music progressed to a more... how can I call it... "rocker" direction? Which is a natural progression to a band like Venom for me.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong) if I can judge from your profile you don't really listen to thrash metal, and I don't mean just Metallica and Slayer. Try to listen to more thrash metal bands and you'll see why I can't call them a pure thrash metal band.


The problem with this post is that you still haven't told me what genre you'd put them in. All I get is "they're NWoBHM-ish but not NWoBHM, they're Speed-ish but not Speed" etc.
For the sake of simplicity, I choose to label them as the genre I hear most dominant in their sound i.e. thrash. Or in Venom's case, trash.
And no one who knows what they're talking about calls them black, lyrics are not a factor that determines a genre.

No, you're right, thrash is definitively low on on my list of preferences, but I think I know enough about it to tell if a band is thrash or isn't. (although I could be sadly mistaken)
AtrumHiberna - 10.01.2012 at 02:30  
Rating: 8
Written by Slayer666 on 10.01.2012 at 01:39

Written by AtrumHiberna on 09.01.2012 at 14:10

Maybe some of their later songs in "resurrection" and afterwards have some thrash metal elements, but generally they cannot be considered a thrash metal band. Especially their early works are NWOBHM fused with Speed metal, and because of their lyrics, they are also considered "black metal" too. Of course now I can't call them NWOBHM, but they kept the speed metal elements and their music progressed to a more... how can I call it... "rocker" direction? Which is a natural progression to a band like Venom for me.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong) if I can judge from your profile you don't really listen to thrash metal, and I don't mean just Metallica and Slayer. Try to listen to more thrash metal bands and you'll see why I can't call them a pure thrash metal band.


The problem with this post is that you still haven't told me what genre you'd put them in. All I get is "they're NWoBHM-ish but not NWoBHM, they're Speed-ish but not Speed" etc.
For the sake of simplicity, I choose to label them as the genre I hear most dominant in their sound i.e. thrash. Or in Venom's case, trash.
And no one who knows what they're talking about calls them black, lyrics are not a factor that determines a genre.

No, you're right, thrash is definitively low on on my list of preferences, but I think I know enough about it to tell if a band is thrash or isn't. (although I could be sadly mistaken)

"they're NWoBHM-ish but not NWoBHM, they're Speed-ish but not Speed" is that really what u got from what i said? Where did I said that? I think I was quite clear. NWOBHM/Speed Metal until the 2000's where they evolved their sound without leaving those elements. Venom Is Venom. Definitely not thrash though, or trash. Anw, I think we should leave this here as it'll end up nowhere. I have more important things to focus on right now, like the exam on medical and public health microbiology i'm taking in 2 days.
Slayer666 - 10.01.2012 at 02:32  
Rating: 5
Written by AtrumHiberna on 10.01.2012 at 02:30

I have more important things to focus on right now, like the exam on medical and public health microbiology i'm taking in 2 days.


Well, that explains why you're wasting time on an Online forum.
Troy Killjoy - 10.01.2012 at 02:48  
 
Written by Slayer666 on 10.01.2012 at 01:39
And no one who knows what they're talking about calls them black, lyrics are not a factor that determines a genre.

Agreed.

Everyone who claims Venom aren't thrash either call them heavy or black. I'm inclined to believe thrash is a much more accurate descriptor than either of those two genres, Motorhead/punk influences aside.
Ozman - 10.01.2012 at 04:09  
  There is totally no thrash in their sound at all. The riffs totally aren't thrash at all. Where's the palm muting. The drumming isn't thrash. The drums aren't thrash, vocals aren't. Yes, they influenced thrash bands but that doesn't make them thrash.
They are purely heavy metal in the vein of Motorhead with a bit more punk thrown in and sounding a bit more extreme due to their total lack of instrument handling, but that's it.
AtrumHiberna - 10.01.2012 at 05:22  
Rating: 8
Written by Slayer666 on 10.01.2012 at 02:32

Written by AtrumHiberna on 10.01.2012 at 02:30

I have more important things to focus on right now, like the exam on medical and public health microbiology i'm taking in 2 days.


Well, that explains why you're wasting time on an Online forum.

what, can't I take a break for a while?
Boxcar Willy - 04.03.2012 at 15:56  
 
Written by Ozman on 10.01.2012 at 04:09

There is totally no thrash in their sound at all. The riffs totally aren't thrash at all. Where's the palm muting. The drumming isn't thrash. The drums aren't thrash, vocals aren't. Yes, they influenced thrash bands but that doesn't make them thrash.
They are purely heavy metal in the vein of Motorhead with a bit more punk thrown in and sounding a bit more extreme due to their total lack of instrument handling, but that's it.

I agree with Troy up there, and say that I would describe their sound as thrash. I find them almost the originators of thrash really... Welcome To Hell Came out it what? '72? thats considerably older than A lot of other thrash bands.

Whether or not Venom sound like "thrash" by the means of palm muting or drumming, or whatever. I belive they still are thrash, light as it may be.


It's almost like first gen metalcore, compare that to modern metalcore, and you've got loads of differences, but they're both still metalcore bands.
Ozman - 04.03.2012 at 16:11  
 
Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.03.2012 at 15:56

Written by Ozman on 10.01.2012 at 04:09

There is totally no thrash in their sound at all. The riffs totally aren't thrash at all. Where's the palm muting. The drumming isn't thrash. The drums aren't thrash, vocals aren't. Yes, they influenced thrash bands but that doesn't make them thrash.
They are purely heavy metal in the vein of Motorhead with a bit more punk thrown in and sounding a bit more extreme due to their total lack of instrument handling, but that's it.

I agree with Troy up there, and say that I would describe their sound as thrash. I find them almost the originators of thrash really... Welcome To Hell Came out it what? '72? thats considerably older than A lot of other thrash bands.

Whether or not Venom sound like "thrash" by the means of palm muting or drumming, or whatever. I belive they still are thrash, light as it may be.




Welcome In Hell was out in December 1981 so only 7 months before Metallica's demo.

And like I keep on saying calling Venom thrash is like calling Motorhead thrash, and once again Venome clearly copy Motorhead's sound and added a little more punk that's it.
Ozman - 04.03.2012 at 16:20  
  I got a notification that I was noted here, but where the fuck has the post gone?
Sync - 26.05.2012 at 12:07  
Rating: 5 Can only say really that the album I enjoyed by Venom was 'Welcome To Hell', from then being generic as fvck even though this album was okay I guess.

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