An album that certainly shows coroner as a promising band, but ultimately falls short of expectations if you've listened to their other albums-a more thorough example of how good and talented a band can get. This album still has a lot of good tunes mind, like the title track and 'reborn through Hate', and the instrumentals work well on their own, but not as part of the album's flow. It's a snappy start, that's for sure.

What´s the problem with this album, i heard it all night and i couldn´t find a "weak" song, for me this album is a lot better than no more color.

Written by Maco on 01.12.2012 at 17:38

What´s the problem with this album,

The production is just terrible, that's what's wrong!

Written by tea[m]ster on 01.12.2012 at 18:36

Written by Maco on 01.12.2012 at 17:38

What´s the problem with this album,

The production is just terrible, that's what's wrong!

Do you mean that you judge an album by its production? that´s not good man

Written by Maco on 01.12.2012 at 19:07

Do you mean that you judge an album by its production? that´s not good man

Nope, I am comparing this to other Coroner records. It's their weakest IMO. It's not bad but I like their entire discography better than this.

Written by Maco on 01.12.2012 at 19:07

Written by tea[m]ster on 01.12.2012 at 18:36

Written by Maco on 01.12.2012 at 17:38

What´s the problem with this album,

The production is just terrible, that's what's wrong!

Do you mean that you judge an album by its production? that´s not good man

Why? Thats just one of the elements of an album and a perfectly good reason to judge it

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Why? Thats just one of the elements of an album and a perfectly good reason to judge it

well i don't know how people judge this, but is wrong in my opinion, is like judging a videogame by it's graphics

Written by Maco on 02.12.2012 at 19:45
well i don't know how people judge this, but is wrong in my opinion, is like judging a videogame by it's graphics

No, I hardly believe it's the same thing. The point of the production is to highlight the songwriting and performance of a band but it also improves the atmosphere of an album. How can you appreciate an intricate bass line, a great solo, great drumming or a beautiful voice if everything is completely buried under a big buzz?

Or at the other end of the spectrum: How can the atmosphere of a Black Metal album cause an impression on the person who listens to it if everything sounds so clean? The point of giving an organic sound thatreminds you of nature is gone. The quality of the sound of all instruments and vocals IS a part of music. the same riff can sound in so many ways just by changing the tune, how clean it should be, etc... many of those ways WILL be awful and some of them brilliant.

Written by Maco on 02.12.2012 at 19:45

well i don't know how people judge this, but is wrong in my opinion, is like judging a videogame by it's graphics

Graphics are one of the key elements of a video game actually, despite how superficial it may seem in comparison to stuff like gameplay and AI. Would Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare be as popular as it is if it looked like Finest Hour or Big Red One? If you look past the advanced graphics and the modestly improved story, they're basically the same in terms of gameplay.
I remember playing American McGee's Alice (Made by the same guy who made designs for Quake) when it first came out and it was like the coolest game in the world to me at the time. When Alice: Madness returns came out I decided to replay it, and boy was it underwhelming. Still a nice game, but so cheap in comparison to it's sequel. Quake may have that "Clunky graphics = Nostalgia" feeling, but AM's Alice doesn't. Despite it's many flaws, I enjoyed MR much more thanks to it's massive improvement in appearance and atmosphere. Graphics, while seemingly superficial, are essential if you really want to immerse yourself in the game.

Written by Guest on 02.12.2012 at 20:46

Graphics are one of the key elements of a video game actually, despite how superficial it may seem in comparison to stuff like gameplay and AI. Would Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare be as popular as it is if it looked like Finest Hour or Big Red One? If you look past the advanced graphics and the modestly improved story, they're basically the same in terms of gameplay.
I remember playing American McGee's Alice (Made by the same guy who made designs for Quake) when it first came out and it was like the coolest game in the world to me at the time. When Alice: Madness returns came out I decided to replay it, and boy was it underwhelming. Still a nice game, but so cheap in comparison to it's sequel. Quake may have that "Clunky graphics = Nostalgia" feeling, but AM's Alice doesn't. Despite it's many flaws, I enjoyed MR much more thanks to it's massive improvement in appearance and atmosphere. Graphics, while seemingly superficial, are essential if you really want to immerse yourself in the game.

That would be your case because I played old games for nostalgia like MGS or Crash and it was so funny and entertaining like the first day. Those games in my opinion are much better than the sequels with better game engine.

And about the production. My old idea changed a lot since I heard Carcass first album. I think it was stupid to have made an analogy between video games and music because they are totally different.

Madness Returns bored me to death the first time. And it still does.

Written by Maco on 14.12.2013 at 08:46

That would be your case because I played old games for nostalgia like MGS or Crash and it was so funny and entertaining like the first day. Those games in my opinion are much better than the sequels with better game engine.

Written by Maco on 14.12.2013 at 08:46

Madness Returns bored me to death the first time. And it still does.

And man, you took your sweet, fat time replying back. Really take you that long to come out with a decent argument?

Written by Guest on 14.12.2013 at 09:08

Written by Maco on 14.12.2013 at 08:46

That would be your case because I played old games for nostalgia like MGS or Crash and it was so funny and entertaining like the first day. Those games in my opinion are much better than the sequels with better game engine.

Written by Maco on 14.12.2013 at 08:46

Madness Returns bored me to death the first time. And it still does.

And man, you took your sweet, fat time replying back. Really take you that long to come out with a decent argument?

I was trying to correct my own mistakes before I got to a conclusion. But yeah that took too much time.

This album is amazing, as is the production.

I like the three Intros here. Though they dont quite fit the rest of the album, which is obviously a bit generic.
But it is not bad at all, in particular for a debut. It lacks variation for me. Cant even really pick a highlight, title track maybe.
Clearly not their best album.