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Release date: 1 November 2011
Style: Thrash metal, Heavy metal

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01. Sudden Death
02. Public Enemy No. 1
03. Whose Life (Is It Anyways?)
04. We The People
05. Guns, Drugs & Money
06. Never Dead
07. New World Order
08. Fast Lane
09. Black Swan
10. Wrecker
11. Millennium Of The Blind
12. Deadly Nightshade
13. 13

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Exclusive limited vinyl edition includes Th1rt3en split across two picture-discs, retaining the correct track order. Each disc includes art from the album package as well as an exclusive album poster

Guest review by
AndMetalForAll

Rating:
8.3
2011 set big expectations for Megadeth for that year and for 2012. After huge "Big 4" shows, the return of Dave Ellefson and "the kiss and make up" between Dave Mustaine, Lars Ulrich and James Hetfield, finally two of the pioneers of thrash metal, Megadeth and Metallica are together. Certainly Th1rt3en is a great way to show the good vibes they are transmitting since 2010.

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published 05.02.2012 | Comments (16)

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John Shock - 07.09.2011 at 21:05  
  I saw 13 tracks on wikipedia...but wikipedia lies a lot! So...nothing is revealed yet! About the cover...when i saw it the first time...about ten minutes...i just said "fuck" a couple of times, around 30 times...one after the other! But that "fuck", i really don't know what that means in my opinion...well i have no words to describe that cover! ...I don't know if it's cool or not! Help me please
Angelic Storm - 07.09.2011 at 21:15  
  The album cover is better than the one for "Endgame", but it's still a bit meh... Im still not really a fan of digitised album covers... I keep wishing they'd get Ed Repka back to paint their covers again, but it'll probably never happen.

I think the tracklist on wikipedia is at least partially fake. "Milennium Of The Blind" and "New World Order" have been available for years on the remastered edition of "Youthanasia", and both were recorded at the time of that album. So they are old songs, and almost certainly won't be on "13". "Black Swan" was a bonus track on "United Abominations", so again, its highly unlikely that will be on the album either! It was probably some idiot just editing the page, trying to be smart...
SlaytanicGonzo - 07.09.2011 at 22:26  
Rating: 8 Just heard the new single Public Enemy No 1. Pretty generic, not bad, but not impressed at all. I hope the full album is better.
Lit. - 07.09.2011 at 22:30  
  Public Enemy #1 sounds pretty good. Better studio than live.
Angelic Storm - 07.09.2011 at 23:18  
  I've just heard it now as well... I really like it! It does have "single" written all over it... simplistic song structure, short and catchy... But it's not bad at all! xD
HoleInTheSky1985 - 08.09.2011 at 00:44  
Rating: 7
Written by Angelic Storm on 07.09.2011 at 21:15

The album cover is better than the one for "Endgame", but it's still a bit meh... Im still not really a fan of digitised album covers... I keep wishing they'd get Ed Repka back to paint their covers again, but it'll probably never happen.

I think the tracklist on wikipedia is at least partially fake. "Milennium Of The Blind" and "New World Order" have been available for years on the remastered edition of "Youthanasia", and both were recorded at the time of that album. So they are old songs, and almost certainly won't be on "13". "Black Swan" was a bonus track on "United Abominations", so again, its highly unlikely that will be on the album either! It was probably some idiot just editing the page, trying to be smart...



Agreed on the cover, better than endgame for sure, and I feel the same way about digitized covers, Ed Repka would be awesome. I frequently post on the Megadeth forums on their website and according to an interview with mustaine, that is the tracklisting, , the three old songs are all redone says Mustaine... don't know how I feel about that yet, either way I like all the songs I've heard thus far and I like the tracks that they appear to be "redoing"

We shall see!
Cheers!
Void Eater - 08.09.2011 at 01:02  
  I have a feeling that this is just going to be a subpar rehashing of Endgame, although I did quite like Endgame. For some reason I'm not overly excited about this.
Angelic Storm - 08.09.2011 at 01:11  
 
Written by HoleInTheSky1985 on 08.09.2011 at 00:44
Agreed on the cover, better than endgame for sure, and I feel the same way about digitized covers, Ed Repka would be awesome. I frequently post on the Megadeth forums on their website and according to an interview with mustaine, that is the tracklisting, , the three old songs are all redone says Mustaine... don't know how I feel about that yet, either way I like all the songs I've heard thus far and I like the tracks that they appear to be "redoing"

We shall see!
Cheers!


The best Megadeth album cover since "Rust In Peace" was the one for "The System Has Failed". Even though Ed himself didn't do the cover, it was clearly inspired by his style. It would be awesome if he came back to do at least one more album cover for Megadeth...

Really, that's the tracklisting? I'd love to read that interview... Ah well, I always felt that "New World Order" and "Black Swan" were good enough to be on the studio albums they were originally recorded for, so it's great they finally are getting a deserved place on a proper Megs studio album. xD I'm very surprised at "Milennium Of The Blind" being on the album though... one of the riffs in that song was reused for "1000 Times Goodbye" from "The World Needs A Hero". :\ Hopefully Dave will remove that riff from the song and give it it's own proper identity...
HoleInTheSky1985 - 08.09.2011 at 01:32  
Rating: 7 When I first saw TSHF album cover I flipped! Great cover(and great album)! Let me see if I can find the interview again for you!
Angelic Storm - 08.09.2011 at 01:37  
 
Written by HoleInTheSky1985 on 08.09.2011 at 01:32

When I first saw TSHF album cover I flipped! Great cover(and great album)! Let me see if I can find the interview again for you!



Agreed, the album is great! It's my fave since RIP. xD

And thank you! \m/
Cynic Metalhead - 08.09.2011 at 22:47  
Rating: 6 Public Enemy No. 1 is now streaming online(you can check out below) and I think i'm gonna love Th1rteen alot!!!! (: (:

JD - 09.09.2011 at 07:07  
Rating: 6 Not bad.
king_matt - 09.09.2011 at 14:52  
Rating: 7 The first single ain't bad. I now have high hopes for Th1rt3en.
Veil of Maya - 09.09.2011 at 17:05  
Rating: 8 Whose Life (Is It Anyways?). AnywayS?! What the *cabbage* am I reading?
Ankläger - 09.09.2011 at 23:29  
  I thought Millenium of the Blind became something on The World Needs a Hero...
And New World Order isn't good enough to ever put on an album
Haven't heard Black Swan or Sudden Death, so I guess they're new to me.
A little hesitant after the joke that was Endgame, though.
Roro - 09.09.2011 at 23:45  
  Not that optimistic (specially after hearing that single) but i'll look for that.
Angelic Storm - 10.09.2011 at 16:19  
 
Written by Ankläger on 09.09.2011 at 23:29

I thought Millenium of the Blind became something on The World Needs a Hero...


It did. The riff at the beginning was used as the intro riff to "1000 Times Goodbye". Hopefully that riff has now been removed from "Milennium Of The Blind" so it can become a unique song in it's own right.

Written by Ankläger on 09.09.2011 at 23:29
And New World Order isn't good enough to ever put on an album


I have to totally disagree with that, it's a fantastic song! The end solo in that song is actually one of my fave ever solos by Dave. I wonder if Dave will change the lyrics though, as the original's lyrics were written by Nick Menza... lol

Quote:
Haven't heard Black Swan or Sudden Death, so I guess they're new to me.
A little hesitant after the joke that was Endgame, though.


"Black Swan" is great! "Sudden Death" is okay, but it suffers from the "solos for it's own sake", feel that a lot of the songs on "Endgame had.
Fredd - 11.09.2011 at 01:23  
Rating: 6 I am not expecting something awesome, but I think it'll be decent.
Thrash Attack - 11.09.2011 at 04:08  
  Idk wat everyone saying that Endgame was not good or this album aint gonna be but Public Enemy and Sudden Death are good enough to buy the album!!!
Angelic Storm - 22.09.2011 at 14:37  
  Here is another new song "Never Dead"! The sound quality isn't great, but the song sounds awesome! Better than "Public Enemy No.1" in my humble opinion. lol xD

Lit. - 22.09.2011 at 22:54  
  ^ Wow, that sounds amazing. Definatley gonna be one of the highlights of the record.
Darkmember - 05.10.2011 at 18:56  
  Black swan again?? :S
Death_95 - 12.10.2011 at 04:22  
 
Written by Darkmember on 05.10.2011 at 18:56

Black swan again?? :S

What's wrong with black swan ?
Darkmember - 12.10.2011 at 11:54  
 
Written by Death_95 on 12.10.2011 at 04:22

Written by Darkmember on 05.10.2011 at 18:56

Black swan again?? :S

What's wrong with black swan ?

This song was released previously in united abominations as a bonus track.
Angelic Storm - 16.10.2011 at 20:33  
  Here's another new song from the album, ripped from a radio show I think!

Troy Killjoy - 16.10.2011 at 20:55  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2011 at 20:33
Here's another new song from the album, ripped from a radio show I think!

Worst lyrics I've heard in a long time, even from Megadave.
Angelic Storm - 16.10.2011 at 21:01  
 
Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.10.2011 at 20:55
:lol: Worst lyrics I've heard in a long time, even from Megadave.


For some reason, when I heard the chorus I was thinking this is what Green Day would probably sound like if they decided to start making metal....
Slayer666 - 16.10.2011 at 22:39  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2011 at 20:33

Here's another new song from the album, ripped from a radio show I think!




Huh... this is surprisingly non-shitty.
The album might even be worth a listen, which is way above my expectations.
Angelic Storm - 17.10.2011 at 00:02  
 
Written by Slayer666 on 16.10.2011 at 22:39
Huh... this is surprisingly non-shitty.
The album might even be worth a listen, which is way above my expectations.


The song has a very punky vibe to it, and it's not bad at all... I think 13 will be better than the last 2 albums at least.
Marcel Hubregtse - 17.10.2011 at 07:20  
Rating: 5
Written by Angelic Storm on 17.10.2011 at 00:02

...I think 13 will be better than the last 2 albums at least.


But of course that isn't saying much
Angelic Storm - 17.10.2011 at 14:48  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.10.2011 at 07:20
But of course that isn't saying much


Well, the last 2 albums aren't that bad, I just don't think they were that great either, and both are overrated. Especially "Endgame".
John Shock - 17.10.2011 at 21:00  
  Endgame and United Abominations are nice albuns, you guys don't like nothing, you make me sick, and make me puke on your faces, i don't know what's happening with fans lately, fuck! You hatters make me sick! Not only for this album but for other albuns from other bands! Go fuck your self! ...Haters... you guys suicide, period!
Troy Killjoy - 17.10.2011 at 22:02  
 
Written by John Shock on 17.10.2011 at 21:00
:suicide:

Please do all of us a favor and take your own advice.
Angelic Storm - 17.10.2011 at 22:09  
 
Written by John Shock on 17.10.2011 at 21:00

Endgame and United Abominations are nice albuns, you guys don't like nothing, you make me sick, and make me puke on your faces, i don't know what's happening with fans lately, fuck! You hatters make me sick! Not only for this album but for other albuns from other bands! Go fuck your self! ...Haters... you guys suicide, period!


Geez, I've gone from "liking everything any band has ever made" to "not liking anything"... you gotta love people's baseless outlandish assertions. *shakes head*

I'm not a "hater" at all! I've taken quite a lot of flak on these boards for defending certain albums that I love, but I guess honesty isn't something that's appreciated from most "fans". Cos if you don't agree with them, then your opinion just sucks. I personally love "The System Has Failed" an album that most people probably think is weaker than the last two albums, but I don't care, to me it's a great album! I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate the last 2 albums, far from it. I just don't think they're amazing albums either. *shrugs*
John Shock - 17.10.2011 at 22:58  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 17.10.2011 at 22:09

Written by John Shock on 17.10.2011 at 21:00

Endgame and United Abominations are nice albuns, you guys don't like nothing, you make me sick, and make me puke on your faces, i don't know what's happening with fans lately, fuck! You hatters make me sick! Not only for this album but for other albuns from other bands! Go fuck your self! ...Haters... you guys suicide, period!


Geez, I've gone from "liking everything any band has ever made" to "not liking anything"... you gotta love people's baseless outlandish assertions. *shakes head*

I'm not a "hater" at all! I've taken quite a lot of flak on these boards for defending certain albums that I love, but I guess honesty isn't something that's appreciated from most "fans". Cos if you don't agree with them, then your opinion just sucks. I personally love "The System Has Failed" an album that most people probably think is weaker than the last two albums, but I don't care, to me it's a great album! I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate the last 2 albums, far from it. I just don't think they're amazing albums either. *shrugs*

I think the same way of The System Has Failed, see? ...that's tastes...but one thing is: to don't like an album and don't gave it a good reason to hate it (that put's me on my nerves), in the other hand we have the famous "Reviews" ...even if those reviews don't came out like we want...what i mean is...i hate people that hates an album, without justify that "hate"...if you know what i mean! I like constructive opinions! (sorry for my english)
John Shock - 17.10.2011 at 23:17  
 
Written by Troy Killjoy on 17.10.2011 at 22:02

Written by John Shock on 17.10.2011 at 21:00
:suicide:

Please do all of us a favor and take your own advice.

If you served the cap...if this is not your case, excuses to complain...i'm not saying everyone! Sorry if I hurt you!
Luc897 - 18.10.2011 at 21:54  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2011 at 20:33

Here's another new song from the album, ripped from a radio show I think!




meh....really? Am i listening to megadeth? Sure - it's Dave i hear but not the way i like it.
Hope other songs are a bit better.

Still, i'll be getting this album just to keep my Megadeth collection op to date
Angelic Storm - 23.10.2011 at 16:25  
  Ive just finished listening to the whole album, and it is pretty disappointing. So many of the songs lack any real intensity or energy, or even the memorable hooks that made the equally un-thrash "Youthanasia" so great. How can a song called "Fast Lane" be so lacking in speed and ferocity? Okay, the speed picks up during the last 30 seconds, but it just made me wish that the whole song was like that! And some of the lyrics are really cringeworthy, I mean the lyrics to "Wrecker" which are presumably about a homewrecker (?!), just sound very basic and quite immature. C'mon Dave, you used to display an awesome flair for wordplay!

On the plus side, "Millennium Of The Blind" has finally been fleshed out into a full song, and it's pretty great! They also wisely ditched the riff that was later used for "1000 Times Goodbye" that was in the shorter demo version. It's also telling that a song that wasn't considered worthy enough for inclusion on "Countdown To Extinction" or "Youthanasia" ("New World Order") is easily one of the best songs on the new album. The re-recording of "Black Swan" is inferior to the original, as the songs' great signature riff has been completely removed, so very bad move there!

Dave and Megadeth sound really tired here, as musically and lyrically the album is lacking in both bite and excitement. Most of the songs I had already heard prior to the album's release are a lot better than most of the ones I hadn't heard. "Deadly Nightshade" is a nice crunchy little number though, even if it does remind me slightly of "Cyanide" by Metallica... And where's David Ellefson's bass? I can barely hear it!

This isn't a bad album by any means, but Megadeth are capable of much better than this...
RavenKing - 23.10.2011 at 16:49  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 23.10.2011 at 16:25

And some of the lyrics are really cringeworthy, I mean the lyrics to "Wrecker" which are presumably about a homewrecker (?!), just sound very basic and quite immature. C'mon Dave, you used to display an awesome flair for wordplay!


Silly lyrics is not something new for Megadeth.
Angelic Storm - 23.10.2011 at 17:09  
 
Written by RavenKing on 23.10.2011 at 16:49
Silly lyrics is not something new for Megadeth.


True enough, although before it was just like an odd song here or there that had bad lyrics. Now, they are mostly immature, poorly written, and/or are just silly. Add onto this the music lacking in Megadeth's classic complexity, and it just feels flat and uninspired overall.
RavenKing - 23.10.2011 at 17:20  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 23.10.2011 at 17:09

True enough, although before it was just like an odd song here or there that had bad lyrics. Now, they are mostly immature, poorly written, and/or are just silly. Add onto this the music lacking in Megadeth's classic complexity, and it just feels flat and uninspired overall.


I haven't heard the album. But poor lyrics combined to lacking music just enhances the feeling of songs being uninspired, indeed.
I don't know... Perhaps, like many other 80s bands, Megadeth are getting too old?
Angelic Storm - 23.10.2011 at 17:40  
 
Written by RavenKing on 23.10.2011 at 17:20
I haven't heard the album. But poor lyrics combined to lacking music just enhances the feeling of songs being uninspired, indeed.
I don't know... Perhaps, like many other 80s bands, Megadeth are getting too old?


Exactly! Poor lyrics can sometimes be overlooked if the music is great. But if the music is uninspired, then bad lyrics just makes it even worse. Are Megadeth getting too old? I'm not sure, but this album at many points, does seem like it's being played by old men. Even on one of the album's most aggressive moments ("Who's Life Is It Anyway?") it's more of a punky aggression, and more simiplistic than their older thrash stuff. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing... but it does contribute to the feeling that Dave is no longer able to write songs with complex riffs and structures. (ala: "Holy Wars..." or "My Last Words"). So maybe age is a factor There...

I might seem as if I'm being overly harsh on the album, but that's only because I know how great Megadeth at their best are, and what they are truly capable of. There is some good stuff on "13", but also amazingly dull and generic songs like "Drugs, Guns, And Money" and "(Home) Wrecker". Even the great melodic hooks shown on the best of their 90's material is mostly abscent, although "Never Dead" has an awesome chorus, which when mixed with some actual aggression (and non-silly lyrics) produces a great song, and one of the album's rare high points. Overall, I don't think any of "Endgame"'s songs were so woefully generic and dull as the worst of "13"'s songs, but there is more songs I really like on "13", so the 2 albums are kinda equal to me...
AndMetalForAll - 23.10.2011 at 19:54  
Rating: 8 Just listen the album. Compared to the previous I think this album is way better than Endgame. If I could vote it maybe it would be 8.5.

The songs already known, that were leaked, are really amazing, mainly Sudden Death and Never Dead. Both songs are off the charts. Maybe the weakest of them all is Whose Life...Public Enemy No 1 is pretty good with a good solo and great performance by Dave Mustaine.
The rest of the album...Fast Lane is a pretty intense song, not very fast, but really strong and intense. New World Order is one of my least favourites of the album, it remindes me The System Has Failed or United Abominations..it´s ok but not Megadeth. Black Swan is an old song of Megadeth from the United Abominations cd, it was remastered and changed "here and there". Wrecker is really good song, very Megadeth reminds me from the Youthanasia album, fast song and lyrics are a real criticism for someone. We The People is a typical song from the United Abominations cd, it's a song about the present situation in America and around the world, it can function as slogan of incentive to the people (We the people is political slogan), technically the drums are the best of this song with Shawn Drover dominationg all the way, although the incentive is there, it is also a dark song. Millennium Blind as a great first 2:40 with a more dramatic pace, after that it continues with a fast pace, with drums playing a great part of the song...the solo is really ok and it fits in the drama of the song. 13 is the most emotionally driven song, mainly Dave Mustaine, it may function as a reminder that Megadeth are here to stay and will go on with greart power, i find really great material in 13 song, way better than The hardest part... of the last album, that was the most dramatic of Endgame. Deadly Nightshade is a heavy song with heavy riff and good solo... it's one of the most agressive songs of "13" in all aspects vocally, in guitar, bass and drums. Guns Drugs & Money don't have a lot to say it's seems to be a filler song. It seems that Dave and the others saw they have time to fill and made this song...it's a good song but not in the pack of the best songs of the album...it's a more generic song that doesn't mean anything in particular, is fast, heavy ... but lacks in feeling.

Best Songs: Never Dead, Sudden Death, 13, Wrecker, Public Enemy No1
Ok Songs: "Drugs, Guns, And Money", Millennium Of The Blind, Whose Life..., We The People, Fast Lane and Deadly Nightshade
Songs i didn't like: Black Swan (irritates me), New World Order.

Vote: 8,5
I think it has better songs and less generic songs than Endgame. This album is much more heavier with greater songs. Never Dead, Sudden Death, Public Enemy No 1 and 13 are really amazing maybe a pack of songs that is one of the best made by Megadeth in this decade. This 4 songs played live must be amazing and have to be present in future setlists (they seem to sound amazing live)
Lit. - 24.10.2011 at 00:27  
  Just listened to a good amount of the record. Right now my opinion is that it is nowhere near as good as Endgame, but it has some key moments like Sudden Death, Neverdead, Whose Life..., Public Enemy #1, Fast Lane, Millennium of the Blind and 13.
Lit. - 24.10.2011 at 00:32  
 
Written by John Shock on 17.10.2011 at 21:00

You hatters make me sick!


Oh, we can't help that.


We're all sick here...
Troy Killjoy - 24.10.2011 at 00:58  
 
Written by Lit. on 24.10.2011 at 00:32
We're all sick here...

That was fucking awesome!
pisymbol - 24.10.2011 at 05:22  
 
Written by AndMetalForAll on 23.10.2011 at 19:54

Just listen the album. Compared to the previous I think this album is way better than Endgame. If I could vote it maybe it would be 8.5.

The songs already known, that were leaked, are really amazing, mainly Sudden Death and Never Dead. Both songs are off the charts. Maybe the weakest of them all is Whose Life...Public Enemy No 1 is pretty good with a good solo and great performance by Dave Mustaine.
The rest of the album...Fast Lane is a pretty intense song, not very fast, but really strong and intense. New World Order is one of my least favourites of the album, it remindes me The System Has Failed or United Abominations..it´s ok but not Megadeth. Black Swan is an old song of Megadeth from the United Abominations cd, it was remastered and changed "here and there". Wrecker is really good song, very Megadeth reminds me from the Youthanasia album, fast song and lyrics are a real criticism for someone. We The People is a typical song from the United Abominations cd, it's a song about the present situation in America and around the world, it can function as slogan of incentive to the people (We the people is political slogan), technically the drums are the best of this song with Shawn Drover dominationg all the way, although the incentive is there, it is also a dark song. Millennium Blind as a great first 2:40 with a more dramatic pace, after that it continues with a fast pace, with drums playing a great part of the song...the solo is really ok and it fits in the drama of the song. 13 is the most emotionally driven song, mainly Dave Mustaine, it may function as a reminder that Megadeth are here to stay and will go on with greart power, i find really great material in 13 song, way better than The hardest part... of the last album, that was the most dramatic of Endgame. Deadly Nightshade is a heavy song with heavy riff and good solo... it's one of the most agressive songs of "13" in all aspects vocally, in guitar, bass and drums. Guns Drugs & Money don't have a lot to say it's seems to be a filler song. It seems that Dave and the others saw they have time to fill and made this song...it's a good song but not in the pack of the best songs of the album...it's a more generic song that doesn't mean anything in particular, is fast, heavy ... but lacks in feeling.

Best Songs: Never Dead, Sudden Death, 13, Wrecker, Public Enemy No1
Ok Songs: "Drugs, Guns, And Money", Millennium Of The Blind, Whose Life..., We The People, Fast Lane and Deadly Nightshade
Songs i didn't like: Black Swan (irritates me), New World Order.

Vote: 8,5
I think it has better songs and less generic songs than Endgame. This album is much more heavier with greater songs. Never Dead, Sudden Death, Public Enemy No 1 and 13 are really amazing maybe a pack of songs that is one of the best made by Megadeth in this decade. This 4 songs played live must be amazing and have to be present in future setlists (they seem to sound amazing live)


Odd ball question, are you an old school Megadeth fan?

I listened to the whole album through and its feeling more and more very 7ish. I wasn't a huge Endgame fan but appreciated its intensity.

I 100% agree with the previous listener about the song Fast Lane? I immediately gravitated toward figuring, "Ok, this will be intense." Nope.

Deadly Nightshade is excellent. Millennium of the Blind and New World Order are Megadeth classics. I think MotB IS indeed a better spin on the original.

Drugs, Guns and Lame, We The Lamer, Whose Lame Life..., Fast Lame, Lame Swan, and 13 are just fillers IMO. Very little going on here.

Siudden Death and Never Dead are quality Megadeth licks.

Btw, Megadeth is my favorite band of all time - I have seen them over a dozen times.

Sigh...
Angelic Storm - 24.10.2011 at 12:22  
 
Written by pisymbol on 24.10.2011 at 05:22
I 100% agree with the previous listener about the song Fast Lane? I immediately gravitated toward figuring, "Ok, this will be intense." Nope.

Deadly Nightshade is excellent. Millennium of the Blind and New World Order are Megadeth classics. I think MotB IS indeed a better spin on the original.

Drugs, Guns and Lame, We The Lamer, Whose Lame Life..., Fast Lame, Lame Swan, and 13 are just fillers IMO. Very little going on here.

Siudden Death and Never Dead are quality Megadeth licks.

Btw, Megadeth is my favorite band of all time - I have seen them over a dozen times.

Sigh...


I take it you mean me?

The thing about "Fast Lane" is it actually starts off great, with the lead guitar sounding a police siren, which instantly reminded me of "502". Then after such a great build up... it goes into a mundane, and generic mid paced riff, which totally kills off any momentum created by the start of the song. Had the whole song (after the buildup) been similar to the last 30 seconds, it would have been an awesome Megadeth song, instead of the damp squib it actually is...

Totally agreed about "Millennium Of The Blind" and "New World Order" being classics. The latter song should actually have been on CTE or "Youthanasia" as it was always worthy of being a proper album track. And hearing the former demo finally fleshed out into a finished form, is amazing! xD

"Drugs, Guns, And Money" might just be the most dull and generic song Dave has ever came up with... "We The People" isn't that bad, but it's hardly great stuff either. I actually love "Black Swan", even though I think the version on "13" is inferior to the version that was a pre order bonus for "United Abominations". I really like "Whose Life..." even if the riffing is rather straightforward. The title track is a total anti climax. I kept thinking while I was listening to it, that it was building up to something really dramatic, but the build up turned out to be the whole song, which was disappointing. I agree with you again on "Deadly Nightshade". Rather like "Black Curtains" from "Youthanasia", it's a mid paced song that sounds genuinely menacing.

"Sudden Death" suffers from the overload of solos for it's own sake that was a problem with many of "Endgame"'s songs, (originally it had less solos, but more were added, because the makers of Guitar Hero asked Dave to put more solos in it. lol) but it's still a pretty great song regardless of that. And "Never Dead" is a great song. I didn't think much to "Public Enemy No.1" when I first heard it, but hearing some of the really dull, monotonous tracks that are on the album, made me re-evaluate it. And it is actually a pretty good song! "Wrecker" has a decent homage-to-AC/DC main riff, and I also like the solo, but the ridiculous lyrics bring the song down a bit for me...
pisymbol - 24.10.2011 at 14:32  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 24.10.2011 at 12:22


I take it you mean me?


Sure! :-)

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The thing about "Fast Lane" is it actually starts off great, with the lead guitar sounding a police siren, which instantly reminded me of "502". Then after such a great build up... it goes into a mundane, and generic mid paced riff, which totally kills off any momentum created by the start of the song. Had the whole song (after the buildup) been similar to the last 30 seconds, it would have been an awesome Megadeth song, instead of the damp squib it actually is...


Bingo.

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Totally agreed about "Millennium Of The Blind" and "New World Order" being classics. The latter song should actually have been on CTE or "Youthanasia" as it was always worthy of being a proper album track. And hearing the former demo finally fleshed out into a finished form, is amazing! xD


Yup.

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"Drugs, Guns, And Money" might just be the most dull and generic song Dave has ever came up with...
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Its really a total yawn. I thought adding the Elf might mitigate Dave a bit, i.e. tell him when songs suck, they suck.

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"We The People" isn't that bad, but it's hardly great stuff either.


Generic filler, tea party inspired. Yawn.

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I actually love "Black Swan", even though I think the version on "13" is inferior to the version that was a pre order bonus for "United Abominations". [/quote[

I didn't like UA at all. Dave's lyrical ability has gone steadily downhill.

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I really like "Whose Life..." even if the riffing is rather straightforward. The title track is a total anti climax. I kept thinking while I was listening to it, that it was building up to something really dramatic, but the build up turned out to be the whole song, which was disappointing. I agree with you again on "Deadly Nightshade". Rather like "Black Curtains" from "Youthanasia", it's a mid paced song that sounds genuinely menacing.


Whose Life is not bad per se, but its not that great. But that song and a few others could have came right off Risk. A friend mentioned that some of these sound more like MegaRock than they do Megadeth.

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"Sudden Death" suffers from the overload of solos for it's own sake that was a problem with many of "Endgame"'s songs, (originally it had less solos, but more were added, because the makers of Guitar Hero asked Dave to put more solos in it. lol) but it's still a pretty great song regardless of that. And "Never Dead" is a great song. I didn't think much to "Public Enemy No.1" when I first heard it, but hearing some of the really dull, monotonous tracks that are on the album, made me re-evaluate it. And it is actually a pretty good song! "Wrecker" has a decent homage-to-AC/DC main riff, and I also like the solo, but the ridiculous lyrics bring the song down a bit for me...


Agreed about SD but its a solid lick. Never Dead is just awesome.

Public Enemy No 1 is OK. Same goes for Wrecker. OK is the operative word like the album as a whole.

More theories (more like axioms):

- I don't want to hear about how the band needs to evolve into a generic hard rock band like Metallica

- As I said in another forum, someone needs to tap Dave on the shoulder, look him STRAIGHT IN THE EYE and say the following:

"Dave, every time you write a s slow song, an angel in heaven dies. Please think of the angels."

- I hold Megadeth to a higher standard than most because for many years they were THE STANDARD.

- 13 is better than Lulu.
AndMetalForAll - 24.10.2011 at 14:42  
Rating: 8
Written by pisymbol on 24.10.2011 at 05:22

Written by AndMetalForAll on 23.10.2011 at 19:54

Just listen the album. Compared to the previous I think this album is way better than Endgame. If I could vote it maybe it would be 8.5.

The songs already known, that were leaked, are really amazing, mainly Sudden Death and Never Dead. Both songs are off the charts. Maybe the weakest of them all is Whose Life...Public Enemy No 1 is pretty good with a good solo and great performance by Dave Mustaine.
The rest of the album...Fast Lane is a pretty intense song, not very fast, but really strong and intense. New World Order is one of my least favourites of the album, it remindes me The System Has Failed or United Abominations..it´s ok but not Megadeth. Black Swan is an old song of Megadeth from the United Abominations cd, it was remastered and changed "here and there". Wrecker is really good song, very Megadeth reminds me from the Youthanasia album, fast song and lyrics are a real criticism for someone. We The People is a typical song from the United Abominations cd, it's a song about the present situation in America and around the world, it can function as slogan of incentive to the people (We the people is political slogan), technically the drums are the best of this song with Shawn Drover dominationg all the way, although the incentive is there, it is also a dark song. Millennium Blind as a great first 2:40 with a more dramatic pace, after that it continues with a fast pace, with drums playing a great part of the song...the solo is really ok and it fits in the drama of the song. 13 is the most emotionally driven song, mainly Dave Mustaine, it may function as a reminder that Megadeth are here to stay and will go on with greart power, i find really great material in 13 song, way better than The hardest part... of the last album, that was the most dramatic of Endgame. Deadly Nightshade is a heavy song with heavy riff and good solo... it's one of the most agressive songs of "13" in all aspects vocally, in guitar, bass and drums. Guns Drugs & Money don't have a lot to say it's seems to be a filler song. It seems that Dave and the others saw they have time to fill and made this song...it's a good song but not in the pack of the best songs of the album...it's a more generic song that doesn't mean anything in particular, is fast, heavy ... but lacks in feeling.

Best Songs: Never Dead, Sudden Death, 13, Wrecker, Public Enemy No1
Ok Songs: "Drugs, Guns, And Money", Millennium Of The Blind, Whose Life..., We The People, Fast Lane and Deadly Nightshade
Songs i didn't like: Black Swan (irritates me), New World Order.

Vote: 8,5
I think it has better songs and less generic songs than Endgame. This album is much more heavier with greater songs. Never Dead, Sudden Death, Public Enemy No 1 and 13 are really amazing maybe a pack of songs that is one of the best made by Megadeth in this decade. This 4 songs played live must be amazing and have to be present in future setlists (they seem to sound amazing live)


Odd ball question, are you an old school Megadeth fan?

I listened to the whole album through and its feeling more and more very 7ish. I wasn't a huge Endgame fan but appreciated its intensity.

I 100% agree with the previous listener about the song Fast Lane? I immediately gravitated toward figuring, "Ok, this will be intense." Nope.

Deadly Nightshade is excellent. Millennium of the Blind and New World Order are Megadeth classics. I think MotB IS indeed a better spin on the original.

Drugs, Guns and Lame, We The Lamer, Whose Lame Life..., Fast Lame, Lame Swan, and 13 are just fillers IMO. Very little going on here.

Siudden Death and Never Dead are quality Megadeth licks.

Btw, Megadeth is my favorite band of all time - I have seen them over a dozen times.

Sigh...


Yes i'm a oldschool fan of Megadeth. But we have to see things in reality, nowadays thrash metal isn't the same. It´s rare to see good heavy metal. Only few albums like make good name to the heavy metal industry. Megadeth and Metallica are in a good way with ok albums and a lot of fans behind them. But everyone knows that the quality of their suck compared with the good old days. I really think this album is better than the previous album. There is more intensity and way more songs to be played live. The previous one has maybe HeadCrusher and 1320 (1320 is way exagerated...the guitar riffs are completely exagerated to the song and concept that is supposed to have) both songs are good to be played live. "13" has never dead, sudden death, 13, whose life ( that is a bit melodic..but a cool song) and even fast lane that is heavy, not fast but heavy and intense.

I respect your opinion about this album...but i really think this has more potential than the previous. Mainly because the times we live. Thrash Metal, almost doesn´t existe nowadays, maybe the Ironbound, The Blackening, Formation Of Damnation tried to bring the oldschool thrash metal. So to listen "13" it's a good experience from a band that suffer what they suffered, with the change of personnel, bad albums and lack of personality. In my opinion Megadeth is improving.

Greets,
AndMetalForAll

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