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Posted by Soliloquy on 17.06.2006 at 19:39
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is it a problem? or is it a good thing?
if its a problem, how do we fix it?
i personally think that at the rate the world population is going, we would cause our own judgement day before God planned to. i mean, look at countries like China, and India. sure, their economy is going high, but at the same time, the world pollution is going high. sure china put a limit on thier child birth, and they limited a couple to only have 1 child. if they exceed that limit, they would be paying tons of taxes. India on the other hand doesnt have that limit. its population is almost 1 billion(that is 1 sixth of the world population), and its still sky rocketing.
Kenya's population growth rate is at a 4.6(or was it a 4.8?) percent. what that means is that in the next 16 years, their population would double. and then it would take them 12 years to double that. and then 7 years to double that. Kenya's growth rate is by far, the fastest in the world. and has been the fastest in over the 100 years or so?
what does over population mean to the world? well, for one, the more people there are, the more land they take up. for example, 75% of the kenyan population is living on farmlands. if that wasnt bad enough, countries have to get rid of tons and tons of forests to make room for more people to live. since the government cant keep up with such a big population, people start to take matters in their own hand. they start cutting down woods for fire, or thier stove. and if they are hungry, they start hunting, which is bringing the animal population to a down low as well. and if you look at this in an economic point of veiw, if people start living on farmlands, than the country's government would have to increase their imports just to keep up with the population's demands. and what would happen if the government cant handel that demand? you can only imagine.
just imagine what the world would be like when its population doubles to 12 billion?. people would be fighting for the necsesities needed to live. stuff like water, food, shelter, clothing. and if everyone is cramped together, there would be a huge rise in the diseases(if you know your history, look what happend to athens when they build a wall around their city.). people would be living in their own filth.
and if that wasnt bad enough, if people contine to cut down the trees, then the greenhouse gases would contine to fuck our ozone layer, which would mean that the place would get hotter, and hotter still. is that bad? yes! for starters, the ice caps from the north pole, and south pole will melt. who cares? well, north pole, sure its no actual land, but it is just a huge chunk of floating ice that is around 3 miles deep. (wait..was it 3 or 2 miles deep?) and the ice on south pole is about 3 miles deep. you melt those, and you would get a major flood. the only living lands to survive that would be mountian peeks like mount everest, or those rocky pillars in south america. how can the world population live on those tiny islands? well, they cant. first reason being that it would be so close to the sun, that it would be series of heat strokes. on top of that, man cant survive with ocean water. but then again, our ocean water has been polluted. and we have killed about i think 75% of the fish that lived near coastal areas. so really, we cant live.
and if you think that that wont happen, or its impossible to happen....well they say(discovery channel. you gotta love it!) that the jungel as thick as the amazons has been loosing trees every day. people have been clearing about 1 to 1 and a half lenghts of football fields in trees alone. and with the african and indian population sky rocketing, their forests would be chopped down soon.
a cure? a solution? what, put a manditory ban on couples world wide? that wont work becuase a lot of third world countries need more than one child in the family to either work on the famrs, in facotires, or look after diseased family members. and on top of that, those families alose loose tons of kids becuase of diseases. on top of that, even if we were to put that limit on them, it wont work. reason ebing that people just dont listen.
sow hat is the cure to stop this from happening? shut down all the factories? people are money hungry. that wont happen. im sure someone like billgates can buy a country if he pleases. so that wont work
a war? creat a holocaust to sacrifice all the people in the world? humm...that would be WAY to ethical. and that would also cuase a huge riot, and racism would be on the rise becuase people would say 'who to kill?' anarchy would break down on the streets. no, anarchy is not a good thing becuase it would be that everyman is his own government. it just wont work...
so is over population a serious delema that people should worry about? is there soemthing that can be done to stop it? what should happen? your views and opinions
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26.04.2012 at 21:45
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 21:32
Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 18:49
Believe me, overpopulation is NOT a myth and I really hope you were joking with that post...
The Illuminati reference should've given it away.
Fictitious groups creating the idea of overpopulation as a conspiracy so that they can mastermind some sort of genius scheme?
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26.04.2012 at 21:49
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Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 21:45
Fictitious groups creating the idea of overpopulation as a conspiracy so that they can mastermind some sort of genius scheme?
Exactly. Science has already proven the Earth can't handle seven billion people for very long, and it's only logical to assume that without any Hitler-esque genocides, world wars, or extreme natural disasters, that the population will only continue to grow.
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26.04.2012 at 21:59
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 21:49
Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 21:45
Fictitious groups creating the idea of overpopulation as a conspiracy so that they can mastermind some sort of genius scheme?
Exactly. Science has already proven the Earth can't handle seven billion people for very long, and it's only logical to assume that without any Hitler-esque genocides, world wars, or extreme natural disasters, that the population will only continue to grow.
Well...I kinda assumed that we are in the middle of a World War right now and don't even have to say that we are...I listen to the BBC all the time and listen to all of the shit that is happening in Syria, Afghanistan, etc...there is a lot of genocide still going on and also natural disasters...we don't need a Hitler at this point in time...there are plenty of Hitler-esque figure heads already out there maintaining things...the only problem is that they are not maintaining over population as well as the historical figureheads of past times did...
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26.04.2012 at 22:04
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Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 21:59
...the only problem is that they are not maintaining over population as well as the historical figureheads of past times did...
That's what I mean. People are dying by the hundreds in these instances, not millions. We haven't had a serious pandemic since 1918. Even with the war on terror you're looking at maybe a million casualties - a number that includes members of military as well as civilians.
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26.04.2012 at 22:13
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 22:04
Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 21:59
...the only problem is that they are not maintaining over population as well as the historical figureheads of past times did...
That's what I mean. People are dying by the hundreds in these instances, not millions. We haven't had a serious pandemic since 1918. Even with the war on terror you're looking at maybe a million casualties - a number that includes members of military as well as civilians.
Agreed...also, our technology and medicine keeps getting better and better...
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26.04.2012 at 22:16
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Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 22:13
Agreed...also, our technology and medicine keeps getting better and better...
Exactly (again). We're doing everything we can to prolong life to the point people are just waiting around to fuckin' die. Next stop, immortality?
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26.04.2012 at 22:35
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 22:16
Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 22:13
Agreed...also, our technology and medicine keeps getting better and better...
Exactly (again). We're doing everything we can to prolong life to the point people are just waiting around to fuckin' die. Next stop, immortality?
Maybe...have you ever seen that movie WallE...that robot thing that is on earth in the future and all of humanity is fat, happy and immortal living on spaceships above the planet and the planet is all fucked up? That could happen very well soon in the future...
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26.04.2012 at 22:40
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Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 22:35
That could happen very well soon in the future...
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, although we'd have to go through a few more wars first. If we can't all get along down here, could you imagine trying to sort us all into spaceships and expect everyone to get along happily? Chances are the most heavily populated countries would pretty much wipe out all the lesser population regions and fight it out amongst each other to assume the role of "master race".
Well... actually the races might all stick together regardless of country, which would be terrible for the States. Blacks with blacks, Indians with Indians, etc.
Regardless of how it would work out, a ton of blood would need to be shed in order for there to be any chance of peaceful living in space after we mess up the planet bad enough.
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26.04.2012 at 22:41
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 22:40
Written by Guest on 26.04.2012 at 22:35
That could happen very well soon in the future...
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, although we'd have to go through a few more wars first. If we can't all get along down here, could you imagine trying to sort us all into spaceships and expect everyone to get along happily? Chances are the most heavily populated countries would pretty much wipe out all the lesser population regions and fight it out amongst each other to assume the role of "master race".
Well... actually the races might all stick together regardless of country, which would be terrible for the States. Blacks with blacks, Indians with Indians, etc.
Regardless of how it would work out, a ton of blood would need to be shed in order for there to be any chance of peaceful living in space after we mess up the planet bad enough.
Well...that's why it was a Disney/Pixar movie...they always live happily ever after hahaha...
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27.04.2012 at 22:05
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Im glad people are talking about this, it is a HUGE issue and no one ever seems to bring it up in the political arena, except China.
Genocides, no that should never be an option.
I think the solution is worldwide birthlaws. it should be illegal to have more than one child per 2parents (a couple) and something like taxbreaks should be given to couples that decide to have Zero children. The problem is humanities innate urge to reproduce, both physically through sex and physiologically to nurture offspring. If birthbans occured people would get terribly upset and claim Human Right violations which is why no one really talks about it. So I find it very unlikely it will occur relatively soon. unfortunate...
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27.04.2012 at 22:12
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Kindof a side-tangent but...
An interesting observation I have noticed with this, is its Environmental/Organics effects. I come from a hippy-town and everyone is pro-environment and pro-organic. But if you really think about it, it is an oxymoron to be both pro-environmentalist and pro-organic; we have such a large population that if we banned meat factories and GMO crops and went all organic, think of the extra amount of land that would use... The entire USA would be farmland and free-range for cows depleting the space for natural habitat.
That is why, while i like to eat organic food when I can, I often eat GMO and factory meat as well. Because it comes down to an overpopulation issue in the end.
It goes to show the ignorance of the general public and the inability for people to critically think.
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28.04.2012 at 20:21
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Written by AngelofDeth on 27.04.2012 at 22:05
I think the solution is worldwide birthlaws. it should be illegal to have more than one child per 2parents (a couple) and something like taxbreaks should be given to couples that decide to have Zero children. The problem is humanities innate urge to reproduce, both physically through sex and physiologically to nurture offspring. If birthbans occured people would get terribly upset and claim Human Right violations which is why no one really talks about it. So I find it very unlikely it will occur relatively soon. unfortunate...
Some worldwide birth law is never going to happen because overpopulation is not a problem in every country. Overall, overpopulation as a problem should be looked at by dividing the world into localities, such as southeast Asia where a third of the population lives in a small area. Sooner or later the environment comes to a point where it can't withstand the pressure of overpopulation and a major humanitary crisis will happen, such as a fatal virus outbreak.
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28.04.2012 at 22:09
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 22:16
Exactly (again). We're doing everything we can to prolong life to the point people are just waiting around to fuckin' die. Next stop, immortality?
So much, in fact, that we haven't had enough cash to study antibiotics for ten years now.
also how is that a bad thing please tell me again.
For immortality, we need biomechanical bodies or some shit.
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Written by Guest on 29.01.2011 at 02:14
Somehow I is get feeling that my grammars is sucked at the moment, it's late here. Let this be a homage to Bad English, who started this topic.
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29.04.2012 at 00:41
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Written by AngelofDeth on 27.04.2012 at 22:05
I think the solution is worldwide birthlaws. it should be illegal to have more than one child per 2parents (a couple) and something like taxbreaks should be given to couples that decide to have Zero children. The problem is humanities innate urge to reproduce, both physically through sex and physiologically to nurture offspring. If birthbans occured people would get terribly upset and claim Human Right violations which is why no one really talks about it. So I find it very unlikely it will occur relatively soon. unfortunate...
It's not that easy...
In Estonia, for example, as in several other former Soviet countries, the population is decreasing. Either because people don't have kids or because they emigrate. If a nation is represented only by roughly one million people, then that would mean the extinction of that language/people if the trend were to continue... For instance Votians have almost disappeared by now. There's 20 or most probably even less (elderly) people left who are native speakers of the language and who live where their ancestors did...
In China the birth law doesn't help much either because people sneak by. Doctors can be bribed, some papers can be arranged etc... eventually the parents will have it their way... Minority nationalities don't have to adhere to these rules because otherwise they'd die out as they're a tiny minority anyway compared to the Han Chinese who represent around 90% or more of the population of PRC.
There are several nasty side-effects to that birth law as well. As many families prefer boys, baby girls are aborted or killed or left on streets (that's why ultrasound scan for pregnant women is strictly forbidden in China... they fear that the couple might do something should they learn that the foetus is going to be a girl).
There are already more young boys than young girls in China which means that finding a girlfriend may become an almost impossible task (given the fact that many girls prefer non-Chinese guys).
Plus the enormous pressure on the lonely kids by their families who expect their only child to start supporting the parents and relatives as fast as possible. ("I fucked your mother because I need to be taken care of when I'm old. Study hard! Get a well-paid job and earn lots of money so that I can quit my job when you become 18! Otherwise I will beat you!")
And then you have the sad stories of 18-year-old girls who go to cities to become prostitutes because their families force them to work, young men joining the armed forces to get away from the pressure of their families etc...
You can also have families where the kids start dominating their parents because they've been spoilt...
Having only one child is not the best option...
On the other hand, in Czech Republic you have a serious problem with the overpopulation. The issue is that the native population of the country is steadily decreasing while the local gypsies abuse the social system by having 10+ kids. As unemployed parents, the state supports them with money for every kid. You obviously understand how sick it is that parents procreate in order to get paid for it. And they spend all that money on alcohol and drugs while living in poor conditions and letting their kids crawl naked in dirt and forcing them to steal from people.
And the "political correctness" clearly favours it. Some time ago a guy was beaten to death by a gang of gypsies because he didn't have a cigarette to give them. People are helpless because any attempt to denounce the criminal or defend oneself would end up being considered a "violation of human rights" and "racial discrimination".
Another case... an elderly woman was standing in a line with her dog and along came a little gypsy and started hurting the animal and picking at it... and you know what he said to the lady? "If your doggy bites me, you gonna pay my mother money!" Of course... "poor little gypsy kid bitten by the dog of a mad racist old woman. Old bitch to compensate the damage to the mother."
I have acquaintances from there and they told me that people there fear that within ten, twenty or thirty years the gypsies will outnumber the Czech people. And nothing can be done because, as I already said, they make babies in order to get paid by the social system and any criticism towards this will be considered "racist" and "politically incorrect".
So yes... overpopulation is a sensitive topic...
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29.04.2012 at 16:20
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 21:49
Exactly. Science has already proven the Earth can't handle seven billion people for very long.
Since when has science "proven" that. I don't think the Earth was designed for a species population this high, but thats the genius (and inevitable downfall) of mankind. Instead of solely adapting to the environment, we made our environment adapt to us. Think of how many people live in Japan, and then all of the unused forest still left in this world. Not saying it would be pretty, but I'm guessing Earth could support about twice as many people as now given that some sort sustainable energy source is found/developed by that time.
Very tragic though. Especially considering the effects of overpopulation, some of Hitler's ideology involving the supreme race actually has some very arguable valid points (which I think you brought up in another post.) Unfortunately, what this entails is letting people die of diseases, not doing as much to help people out. This totally goes against the common man's ethics, since its been important for our survival as a species to want to help other people.
Watch this, interesting point of view on the human population/overpopulation. Not saying I completely agree with everything he said though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc12-neTjM
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29.04.2012 at 16:23
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I'm sure that if we got rid of all the forests and paved over everything we could fit alot more people in.
Might be a shortage of air and food though.
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Written by Grody2themax on 29.04.2012 at 16:20
Very tragic though. Especially considering the effects of overpopulation, some of Hitler's ideology involving the supreme race actually has some very arguable valid points (which I think you brought up in another post.) Unfortunately, what this entails is letting people die of diseases, not doing as much to help people out. This totally goes against the common man's ethics, since its been important for our survival as a species to want to help other people.
Please elaborate on this Hitlerist ideology.
Survival of the fittest isn't Hitler's ideology, it's been around much before that, as well as eugenics, which is the goal of the Global Elite in modern times.
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Written by vezzy on 28.04.2012 at 22:09
Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.04.2012 at 22:16
Exactly (again). We're doing everything we can to prolong life to the point people are just waiting around to fuckin' die. Next stop, immortality?
So much, in fact, that we haven't had enough cash to study antibiotics for ten years now.
also how is that a bad thing please tell me again.
For immortality, we need biomechanical bodies or some shit.
Forget immortality, doesn't seem plausible on a large scale. Evolution runs its course, grows the noggins and shit'll get done.
But the cancelation of the US space program is slightly disturbing. We need to spread the love on the the next rock.
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01.05.2012 at 21:26
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Over populatuion is onbe of reapsn why we dont have a job, we have to many ppl in this world
Why Chinese policy is progresive and they have no crisies, --- one child family
We need it in Europe and world to, one child family + only chposen ones can be parents like no drug additcs, untruted, criminals, sich , poor, and so on
Im sick n tired when ppl aks me when I get merry and have a child, fuck sake what he or she will eat and where work  I cant find good job whit 30 000 kronner per month in office either so , and sucky job whit 20 000 and less I cant get it either, only what I can is i 3-4 h jobb 3 days per week where way to jo costs more how I can earn damn I hate ppl who wants be poarents and dont think where children will gonna work
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Written by Bad English on 01.05.2012 at 21:26
Why Chinese policy is progresive and they have no crisies, --- one child family
I don't think this is exactly the reason of the economic growth of China.
In fact, as I already wrote couple of posts ago, it has created a social crisis of its own kind...
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Written by Ernis on 02.05.2012 at 00:38
Written by Bad English on 01.05.2012 at 21:26
Why Chinese policy is progresive and they have no crisies, --- one child family
I don't think this is exactly the reason of the economic growth of China.
In fact, as I already wrote couple of posts ago, it has created a social crisis of its own kind...
Yes but still Europians cant handle 2-3 cvhildren, muslims has 10 or more ... ppl dont think wher etehy will work and where they will live ,
we have simply to much ppl its all, no jobs, no money, if in Europe 40% ppl will die from bird flu , unploymeny maybe be 1-2% and it means I can get better social garanties and not work, even its sily post but its true,
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Written by Bad English on 02.05.2012 at 00:42
Yes but still Europians cant handle 2-3 cvhildren, muslims has 10 or more ... ppl dont think wher etehy will work and where they will live ,
we have simply to much ppl its all, no jobs, no money, if in Europe 40% ppl will die from bird flu , unploymeny maybe be 1-2% and it means I can get better social garanties and not work, even its sily post but its true,
Bub... if I don't have a kid, then an unploymeyd gypsy will have 10 kids somewhere and will abuse them in order to get state benefits. There's a balance... if a European European doesn't want kids because of the aching heart about overpopulation, then a non-European immigrant will not only just have 10 kids but will also bring the entire family and friends and relatives from the country of origin, they settle in the social flat and they live in miserable conditions (which they don't complain about) while the white guy accuses them of abusing the state benefits system and causing overpopulation. Does it take anyone anywhere?
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02.05.2012 at 01:12
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Written by Ernis on 02.05.2012 at 00:51
Written by Bad English on 02.05.2012 at 00:42
Yes but still Europians cant handle 2-3 cvhildren, muslims has 10 or more ... ppl dont think wher etehy will work and where they will live ,
we have simply to much ppl its all, no jobs, no money, if in Europe 40% ppl will die from bird flu , unploymeny maybe be 1-2% and it means I can get better social garanties and not work, even its sily post but its true,
Bub... if I don't have a kid, then an unploymeyd gypsy will have 10 kids somewhere and will abuse them in order to get state benefits. There's a balance... if a European European doesn't want kids because of the aching heart about overpopulation, then a non-European immigrant will not only just have 10 kids but will also bring the entire family and friends and relatives from the country of origin, they settle in the social flat and they live in miserable conditions (which they don't complain about) while the white guy accuses them of abusing the state benefits system and causing overpopulation. Does it take anyone anywhere?
I dont want kid and I never will have it , metal is my life and I dont need kiddos
its true but that is also complicated , elegal imigration and so on
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