Written by Guest on 15.08.2008 at 19:27

brilliantly boring, yes

yes, your comments are brilliantly boring...one line, one statement but there's never a justification...

God, you people are fucken annoying. Do I need to write an essay each time I state my opinion ?

I don't see why I need to justify why I think Nightwish has gotten incredibly boring. I just think everything they released after Wishmaster was merely a bunch of weak albums with one or two stand out track.

I have the feeling that somehow Wishmaster is a bit overhyped....everyone's telling that "Oh, Wishmaster's the best and Oceanborn's good and all the rest suck!"
If to think now....what's so special bout Wishmaster? Wishmaster does have brilliant songs such as She Is My Sin, and Dead Boy's Poem and FantasMic but the title track itself...admit that it's nothing more than a simple HIT....somehow this song became a hit and as everyone knows, this is the most frequently spoofed song ever (it's easy to spoof...righteously so) and even if a person who has never listened to metal nor has no knowledge of Nightwish at all that person still has heard of the "funny as hell" song called Wishmaster....That song is a phenomenon but that's all....to be honest, the guitar solo indeed is annoyingly long and (way too much) tawdry plus the lyrics "Hamster, dentist, hard porn Steven Seagal"...I completely understand those people who claim this to be one of the most annoying and brainless songs ever written....I know several people who enjoy Nightwish's music but when it comes to the song Wishmaster they're all "Dear Lord, only NOT Jewish monster!"
My subjective opinion about Fishmaster is - not bad, but does deserve the critics and it definitely isn't their best song....

I'd say Nightwish's music cannot be divided by albums saying that "this album sucks, this album's great etc"....Nightwish has very strong material which is divided perfectly equally between all the albums they've made.....and let me remind you that for instance their best song Ghost Love Score is from Once (you know the album that's labelled their "cash-grab number one")....
Every album has its fillers and its powerful and brilliant tracks....Maybe their first try Angels Fall First (sic) is a bit shy compared to the orchestrally more profound later works but otherwise everything they've done is good....

Personally, I think that Once is a fantastic album. Every song on the album seems to stand out, not sounding the same as the track before it. And Ghost Love Score is truly inspirational.

My favourite is Oceanborn, but I love all of their albums. fav. song: the 1st track from each CD.

I liked the albums with taja, but aren't my cup of tea(Remembering an old guy from here metalstorm who said that line ). I just finished to listen dark passion play and i liked it a lot, i found it better than the other ones, that are awesme, but this sound is good for me.

Written by Ernis on 15.08.2008 at 20:15

I have the feeling that somehow Wishmaster is a bit overhyped....everyone's telling that "Oh, Wishmaster's the best and Oceanborn's good and all the rest suck!"
If to think now....what's so special bout Wishmaster? Wishmaster does have brilliant songs such as She Is My Sin, and Dead Boy's Poem and FantasMic but the title track itself...admit that it's nothing more than a simple HIT....somehow this song became a hit and as everyone knows, this is the most frequently spoofed song ever (it's easy to spoof...righteously so) and even if a person who has never listened to metal nor has no knowledge of Nightwish at all that person still has heard of the "funny as hell" song called Wishmaster....That song is a phenomenon but that's all....to be honest, the guitar solo indeed is annoyingly long and (way too much) tawdry plus the lyrics "Hamster, dentist, hard porn Steven Seagal"...I completely understand those people who claim this to be one of the most annoying and brainless songs ever written....I know several people who enjoy Nightwish's music but when it comes to the song Wishmaster they're all "Dear Lord, only NOT Jewish monster!"
My subjective opinion about Fishmaster is - not bad, but does deserve the critics and it definitely isn't their best song....

I'd say Nightwish's music cannot be divided by albums saying that "this album sucks, this album's great etc"....Nightwish has very strong material which is divided perfectly equally between all the albums they've made.....and let me remind you that for instance their best song Ghost Love Score is from Once (you know the album that's labelled their "cash-grab number one")....
Every album has its fillers and its powerful and brilliant tracks....Maybe their first try Angels Fall First (sic) is a bit shy compared to the orchestrally more profound later works but otherwise everything they've done is good....

I agree with everything. I think they have great songs in almost every album. Maybe the first one is the only one that it's different, but still with some nice songs. The best album...? I don't know, Once is almost perfect, but I think there are some "forgotten" good songs in Century Child and Oceanborn.

And about Dark Passion Play, I still think it's the best album they could do after all. Even if I read that some didn't like Amarnth I don't think is the worst single they have done, and I don't think they would publish it if Tuomas wouldn't like it. The first song is brilliant and like in Oceanborn I relly enjoy with the instrumental one.

We will see with the next album...

Written by Ernis on 15.08.2008 at 20:15

I have the feeling that somehow Wishmaster is a bit overhyped....everyone's telling that "Oh, Wishmaster's the best and Oceanborn's good and all the rest suck!"
If to think now....what's so special bout Wishmaster? Wishmaster does have brilliant songs such as She Is My Sin, and Dead Boy's Poem and FantasMic but the title track itself...admit that it's nothing more than a simple HIT....somehow this song became a hit and as everyone knows, this is the most frequently spoofed song ever (it's easy to spoof...righteously so) and even if a person who has never listened to metal nor has no knowledge of Nightwish at all that person still has heard of the "funny as hell" song called Wishmaster....That song is a phenomenon but that's all....to be honest, the guitar solo indeed is annoyingly long and (way too much) tawdry plus the lyrics "Hamster, dentist, hard porn Steven Seagal"...I completely understand those people who claim this to be one of the most annoying and brainless songs ever written....I know several people who enjoy Nightwish's music but when it comes to the song Wishmaster they're all "Dear Lord, only NOT Jewish monster!"
My subjective opinion about Fishmaster is - not bad, but does deserve the critics and it definitely isn't their best song....

I'd say Nightwish's music cannot be divided by albums saying that "this album sucks, this album's great etc"....Nightwish has very strong material which is divided perfectly equally between all the albums they've made.....and let me remind you that for instance their best song Ghost Love Score is from Once (you know the album that's labelled their "cash-grab number one")....
Every album has its fillers and its powerful and brilliant tracks....Maybe their first try Angels Fall First (sic) is a bit shy compared to the orchestrally more profound later works but otherwise everything they've done is good....

I personally find Wishmaster brilliant. Both album and song. Maybe it's a hit, and maybe it's easy to spoof but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad song. On the other hand I frankly can't see why Ghost Love Score is praised that much...I don't find it better than many other songs from NW.
But besides this I completely agree that every NW album have brilliant tracks (and of course fillers)

I agree with Sostoa.I don't think Tuomas would ever say anything like that.Okay, he could have said he didn't enjoy the song that much as (for example) masterpieces like "Ghost Love Score" and "The Poet and The Pendulum".However, I think that someone has just misinterpreted or misrepresented Tuomas' words. :

As for the whole "Wishmaster" album - I find it good but also, quite annoying somehow (maybe it's because of the too 'power metalish' sound which has been captured in this record).I also remember that I read an interview with Marco in a Bulgarian magazine and he said that firstly, he wasn't very sure he indeed wanted to be in Nightwish because of the huge power metal influences of their early work (especially the album "Wishmaster").

The song "Wishmaster" is a very good and catchy one itself.Well, it has been misheard by many people but I don't think that's a reason to judge it being 'stupid, childish, repetative', etc.

Written by Elodie Artour on 16.08.2008 at 22:03

I agree with Sostoa.I don't think Tuomas would ever say anything like that.Okay, he could have said he didn't enjoy the song that much as (for example) masterpieces like "Ghost Love Score" and "The Poet and The Pendulum".However, I think that someone has just misinterpreted or misrepresented Tuomas' words. :

As for the whole "Wishmaster" album - I find it good but also, quite annoying somehow (maybe it's because of the too 'power metalish' sound which has been captured in this record).I also remember that I read an interview with Marco in a Bulgarian magazine and he said that firstly, he wasn't very sure he indeed wanted to be in Nightwish because of the huge power metal influences of their early work (especially the album "Wishmaster").

The song "Wishmaster" is a very good and catchy one itself.Well, it has been misheard by many people but I don't think that's a reason to judge it being 'stupid, childish, repetative', etc.

No one believes me... Here:

"BW&BK recently caught up with NIGHTWISH keyboardist/founder Tuomas Holopainen and vocalist Anette Olzon to discuss the bands new album, Dark Passion Play. The following is a brief excerpt from the interview:

"The chorus of (new single)'Amaranth', I almost feel ashamed about that," laughs Holopainen. "It's so corny and poppy and annoyingly catchy. I was laughing when I was writing it, thinking 'Oh man, this is going to be something.' The funny thing about the song is that it was going to be the bonus track until the very end. I didn't like the song that much so it was going to be the B-side for the second single, but everybody kept telling me that it was awesome, that it was single material and the catchiest song on the album. I was laughing at myself when I wrote it because I knew it was going to work, I knew it was going to be good and that everyone would like it, but the chorus is just so pop-music.""

Source:

http://www.metalfromfinland.com/news/2007-07-30_16:35/nightwish_keyboardist_tuomas_holopainen_talks_about_amaranth_chorus

@FrankZappaInATux: Thanks for the info.But still - he hasn't said it wasn't good. :

Written by Elodie Artour on 16.08.2008 at 22:41

@FrankZappaInATux: Thanks for the info.But still - he hasn't said it wasn't good. :

I don't believe that I have ever said that he has...

Well, at least - someone else said that... :

Anyway.I like "Amaranth" very much.

i love Nightwish, actually "loveD" would be the word. with Tarja gone i just don't see Nightwish anymore.

don't get me wrong, Annete is good, but she's not Tarja. i enjoyed, loved and literally worshiped Tarja's opera-oriented (lyric soprano, right?) voice. it's just so soothing, so elegant... so (for the lack of a better word) fucking beautiful.

but then they had to bring in Annete and ruin everything for me... still, i have Dark Passion Play and enjoyed some of the songs a little. like Amaranth, Bye Bye Beautiful, The Islander...

so to finidh this off, i still like Nightwish and i still love Tarja

Written by 5.T.4.L.k.E.R on 17.08.2008 at 18:34

i love Nightwish, actually "loveD" would be the word. with Tarja gone i just don't see Nightwish anymore.

don't get me wrong, Annete is good, but she's not Tarja. i enjoyed, loved and literally worshiped Tarja's opera-oriented (lyric soprano, right?) voice. it's just so soothing, so elegant... so (for the lack of a better word) fucking beautiful.

but then they had to bring in Annete and ruin everything for me... still, i have Dark Passion Play and enjoyed some of the songs a little. like Amaranth, Bye Bye Beautiful, The Islander...

so to finidh this off, i still like Nightwish and i still love Tarja

It's okay but Tarja's single band is very poor... if she would find some great musicians around her maybe that band could be as good as old Nightwishwas... sorry I was only dreaming...I know it's impossible to bring back that.

i think "single Nightwish" and "single Tarja" goes both well...and i think it is only good...not only for them personal, but for the metal scene itself...

Written by Ellrohir on 18.08.2008 at 03:10

i think "single Nightwish" and "single Tarja" goes both well...and i think it is only good...not only for them personal, but for the metal scene itself...

Yes it is good for the metal scene, I agree But, as Janne says in the post above yours, Tarja's solo band is very poor, and I second that. Her voice is as grand as ever, but the music is just terrible with only hints of interesting melodies... If it wasn't for the clean studio sound I don't think I could have listened to it all the way through. It would be great for the metal scene if she could create her own metal identity, with a sound all her own with another great guitarist or synth player. Perhaps in the near future Who knows!? I can only hope.

i know a lot of people here in Czech who enjoy both Nightwish with Anette and Tarja solo band...i am not one of them Tarja is weak for me and i will never pay money to see her live like someone do...

Written by Jason W. on 18.08.2008 at 07:52

Written by Ellrohir on 18.08.2008 at 03:10

i think "single Nightwish" and "single Tarja" goes both well...and i think it is only good...not only for them personal, but for the metal scene itself...

Yes it is good for the metal scene, I agree But, as Janne says in the post above yours, Tarja's solo band is very poor, and I second that. Her voice is as grand as ever, but the music is just terrible with only hints of interesting melodies... If it wasn't for the clean studio sound I don't think I could have listened to it all the way through. It would be great for the metal scene if she could create her own metal identity, with a sound all her own with another great guitarist or synth player. Perhaps in the near future Who knows!? I can only hope.

Very well said. I completely agree with you. Tarja's solo wouldn't be anything if it wasn't polished so much by the production

One more thing: a Tarja concert ticket last year was nearly 2 times more than the ticket to [ban]Nightwish[/band]'s DPP tour... how could it be? Tarja must really love money...

@ Janne Could be...or then her husband loves her money. After all, they have a contract that allows him to deal with all her money.

Written by Ernotar on 18.08.2008 at 14:35

@ Janne Could be...or then her husband loves her money. After all, they have a contract that allows him to deal with all her money.

She has a husband?? ..ohh, shit! I dropped behind again..

@ Janne Yeah, I could really call it "dropping behind", since Tarja's husband was mostly the reason why she no longer is the singer of Nightwish...

Written by Ernotar on 18.08.2008 at 18:32

@ Janne Yeah, I could really call it "dropping behind", since Tarja's husband was mostly the reason why she no longer is the singer of Nightwish...

I should assasinate him...

yeah, that guy (who, coincidentally is named Marcelo, no offence Marcel if you read this ) seems to be a real a-hole.

i'm listening right now to DPP(currently at "cadence of her last breath", it's pretty good, some bits remind me of Once, and there's not enough Emppu! i want more Emppu! Tuomas's melodies are all over the place, not his best work but he's doing great. also the solo on "cadence.." is pretty nice, though kind of short.


aaand i forgot to mention that Amaranth is so far the weakest track on the album, the intro sounds damn poor!

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aaand i forgot to mention that Amaranth is so far the weakest track on the album, the intro sounds damn poor!

IMO Master Passion Greed is the weakest song on the album.

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Written by Janne on 28.08.2008 at 22:20

aaand i forgot to mention that Amaranth is so far the weakest track on the album, the intro sounds damn poor!

IMO Master Passion Greed is the weakest song on the album.

Good lord, that song is so RAW. Definitely one of my favorite tracks on the album. Sure the first couple of verse's vocals remind me of an Anthrax song, but it still kicks ass.

Their new album is quite solid, but I don't own it yet. The reason is there are no versions to buy with The Escapist on it. One of my new favourite nightwish songs.

I also like that song very much!

Written by Guest on 29.08.2008 at 14:41

One thing I really like about it is Tuomas' performance, his keys are toned down with no solos of old but they fit really well and add another dimension of darkness to the new sound, that and some of his lyrics on this album are amazing like for The Poet And The Pendulum and For The Heart I Once Had

Those two songs are certainly my picks for best lyrics on the CD as well! There are others, but those really stand out to me. I could care less about the lyrics directed toward Tarja, etc., but the real genuine songs like those show that Nightwish has a lot more to say as a band - I'm sure it will be another year or two before the next album, but I'd love to see where Tuomas takes the lyrics next time around - when he's on his game, he can really bring out emotion with simple, straightforward words.