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Pornography and prostitution



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Posted by Account deleted, 11.11.2006 - 14:17
what do you all think about these two taboo subjects? in sweden, prostitution is illegal. i think this is wrong. i want a more liberal society. supply and demand should be put to use. people who are against prostitution always gives the argument "the girls are being used by the men". well, thats the same thing as the guy working at mc donalds is being used, coz its a shitty job with low wage. but what if the girl chooses to be a prostitute. then why is it wrong?
the same with pornography. people say "men learn to see women as objects". well, i admit that i've watched porn, but that doesnt make me look at women as objects. its still supply and demand. people are willing to expose themselves on the camera, and people are willing to pay to see the movies.

as long as no one gets hurt, it should be legal

am i right? what do you think?
29.03.2011 - 16:26
Yasmine
Written by Andre on 29.03.2011 at 13:24

I stand firmly on the side where Prostitution should not be banned or prohibited.
There are risks and all kinds of bad vibe going on and shit, but if you take a closer look around we can see that there are corrupt politicians, judges and polices with all kinds of dirt sticking to them, that leads to bad decisions and bad results. The worst a hooker can do is transfer diseases, but you can control this right?!
It's far easier to control their pussy instead of the others' heads.

It's just my opinion. I know both cases are complicated and shit. But hey, i still stand firm that hookers should exist.


I do agree though, since sexual frustration cause psychological disorder everyone should be able to get laid when we want it. Besides imagine this, tons of women use sex/their bodies as weapons/tools to get what they want. Imagine if this was an accepted practice to get a hooker instead, now girls that once were too good for you in their opinion now have nothing to hold over your head, you can simply get it else where.
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29.03.2011 - 16:50
ForeverDarkWoods
So many white collar people in here who have had no connection to this stuff besides what they read in books and articles. I just can't take that shit seriously.

The fact that words like "freedom" and "choice" gets passed around so much shows how little people actually know about the conditions under which these businesses work, and how devoid these words are of meaning in this day and age.

Prostitution isn't banned as a reaction to sexual liberation. It is banned to protect people from sexual exploitation. I also love how the proponents always go around completely ignoring the evidence that has been collected on the subject and the consequences it has (which can be ascertained by looking at the places where prostitution is in fact legal) and just parade around saying empty words like "freedom" and "choice".

The argument should not be examined from the perspective of the guy who can't get laid, but from the perspective of society as a whole. A collective issue cannot be simplified to an individual level. Doing so will only lead to a faulty analysis.
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29.03.2011 - 18:10
Yasmine
I would argue actually that it's banned for both reasons, a socially liberal person might want to ban these things because it could spread disease, child prostitution, sexual slavery. A socially conservative person would want to ban these things because it offends their religion, values, etc, these people are more times than not against any sort of sexual freedom.

I'm just a baby oven. LOL!
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30.03.2011 - 03:58
Andre
Written by Yasmine on 29.03.2011 at 16:26

Written by Andre on 29.03.2011 at 13:24

I stand firmly on the side where Prostitution should not be banned or prohibited.
There are risks and all kinds of bad vibe going on and shit, but if you take a closer look around we can see that there are corrupt politicians, judges and polices with all kinds of dirt sticking to them, that leads to bad decisions and bad results. The worst a hooker can do is transfer diseases, but you can control this right?!
It's far easier to control their pussy instead of the others' heads.

It's just my opinion. I know both cases are complicated and shit. But hey, i still stand firm that hookers should exist.


I do agree though, since sexual frustration cause psychological disorder everyone should be able to get laid when we want it. Besides imagine this, tons of women use sex/their bodies as weapons/tools to get what they want. Imagine if this was an accepted practice to get a hooker instead, now girls that once were too good for you in their opinion now have nothing to hold over your head, you can simply get it else where.


Agreed.
Aside from the mental impact caused by stress, less sex and working with plain stupid people (like myself), getting laid is nice.
But you and the hooker gotta do it clean. That's the most important thing.


Now, about PORN.
Ah. PRON. Vulgar, uncensored and raw beauty of sexual intercourse and fantasy filled dream fuel. I'm cool with Porn, in fact I like em. But only to a point where it can humanly understood. Fetish, bondage (well not all maybe) and harassing OR shitting, spitting those kinds of fuck-ups in Porn are not my thing. Personally... Pussy to dick and Booty to dick is ok. Double p... why not.
But pissing and plain torturing shot on video is disgusting.
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30.03.2011 - 04:59
Void_Eater
Account deleted
My simple thoughts on this issue- If somebody wants to film themselves naked, having sex, crapping in somebody's mouth, or any other gross sexual deed, go for it. If somebody wants to watch it, go for it. If you want to sell your sexual services, go for it-Just don't expect free anitbiotics from the STD's. If you want to kidnap teens and force them into prostitution or porn, not cool. That should obviously remain outlawed.
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30.03.2011 - 05:13
Yasmine
Crap in someone's mouth? THANKFULLY I have never seen that. But yes for some people porn is certainly a place to see a fantasy they've never got to act out.
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30.03.2011 - 06:45
Troy Killjoy
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I've watched a couple fecal fetish vids. Didn't turn me on, but didn't turn me off. I'm still not sure what to make of that.
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30.03.2011 - 07:25
wormdrink414
Elite
Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.03.2011 at 06:45

I've watched a couple fecal fetish vids. Didn't turn me on, but didn't turn me off. I'm still not sure what to make of that.

I think that means that you're crazy. There's hope though. Every time you watch videos that involve sex and feces, think about Jesus.
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30.03.2011 - 07:54
Yasmine
Written by wormdrink414 on 30.03.2011 at 07:25

Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.03.2011 at 06:45

I've watched a couple fecal fetish vids. Didn't turn me on, but didn't turn me off. I'm still not sure what to make of that.

I think that means that you're crazy. There's hope though. Every time you watch videos that involve sex and feces, think about Jesus.


+10, because almost everyone says "oh God" if the sex is good enough. lol
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30.03.2011 - 08:02
renai
I see this more in the point of view as a parent.

porn illegal for good, since it is very hard to control for not landed to children hand. the result of porn in the hand of children can be fatal because it will lead to underage pregnancy or diseases.

prostitution is somewhat 'safer' since it is more hard to get the access.... and it's involved ...money to get it.
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30.03.2011 - 11:03
wormdrink414
Elite
Written by renai on 30.03.2011 at 08:02

I see this more in the point of view as a parent.

porn illegal for good, since it is very hard to control for not landed to children hand. the result of porn in the hand of children can be fatal because it will lead to underage pregnancy or diseases.

prostitution is somewhat 'safer' since it is more hard to get the access.... and it's involved ...money to get it.


ha. Good one.
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13.04.2011 - 07:50
Hellhound
Alot of governments (and by that I mean most) imposed "moral" laws on their society and illegalized things like prostitution and pornography. I believe that a "moral" law is wrong in essence because it means limiting other peoples free will based on what a single individual feels is wrong. However, it is difficult to differentiate between a "moral" law and one a natural law. Natural law being things like do not kill and do not steal. Back to prostitution: On one hand prostitution brings alot of people the opportunity to make some money where they would be starving if they didn't have that chance. On the other hand alot of drug abuse and violence is fostered in prostitution and it can be dangerous. However, you have to consider the fact that drug addicts are drug addicts because they started taking drugs, not because they started blowing people in alleys for money. Violence follows the same rule: it will still exist without prostitution and arguing that prostitution is that cause of such an act is short sighted, as someone who is violent will be violent regardless of being in the presence of a whore. In a society where people were truly allowed the freedom of choice, prostitution would be legal as the only real argument against it is that it is morally wrong. Pornography, in essence, is just filmed prostitution and the only reason it is allowed in the USA is because the bureaucracy here is thick enough to choke on. There is my two cents on prostitution and pornography. If you have made it to this point just let me congratulate you, as I consider it quite the feat to wade through so much verbose bullshit. +1 internetz to you friend.
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13.04.2011 - 07:58
Hellhound
Written by renai on 30.03.2011 at 08:02

I see this more in the point of view as a parent.

porn illegal for good, since it is very hard to control for not landed to children hand. the result of porn in the hand of children can be fatal because it will lead to underage pregnancy or diseases.

prostitution is somewhat 'safer' since it is more hard to get the access.... and it's involved ...money to get it.


You see, when you start a statement off in that manner it already makes me doubt what you have to say. As a parent your views are skewed beyond your control. It isn't your fault, but having a child makes you paranoid for their safety. Excuse me as I am generalizing in a very large manner and I apologize if you find this offensive.

Making porn illegal just puts alot of people out of work. However, it will still get out. The internet allows for nearly unlimited exchange of information and attempts to control it are laughable at best. Take pirating for example. Despite the efforts of federal involvement piracy is a very active and largely untouchable part of the internet. As for porn leading to underage pregnancy or diseases that is just preposterous. Good sex education at an age early enough to catch children before they have the chance to be sexually active will at least explain some of the options to them. Also I doubt a 15 year old (no matter how sexually active) has had the amount of sexual contact necessary to catch any sort of STD.

Prostitution is also more dangerous than pornography. You cannot get rolled for your wallet by a porn star and I seriously doubt you will catch herpes from rubbing one out watching porn. Really all you are doing is limiting children for a few years. If someone wants to have sex with a prostitute then they will. Like the old saying goes: where theres a will, theres a way.
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14.04.2011 - 01:44
renai
Written by Hellhound on 13.04.2011 at 07:58

Written by renai on 30.03.2011 at 08:02

Really all you are doing is limiting children for a few years. If someone wants to have sex with a prostitute then they will. Like the old saying goes: where theres a will, theres a way.


for now, that's the only thing the parent think of, to delay the innocence years until they reach puberty.

btw, I talking in context of our region, not in US where pirating is hard to control.
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14.04.2011 - 05:53
Hellhound
Written by renai on 14.04.2011 at 01:44

Written by Hellhound on 13.04.2011 at 07:58

Written by renai on 30.03.2011 at 08:02

Really all you are doing is limiting children for a few years. If someone wants to have sex with a prostitute then they will. Like the old saying goes: where theres a will, theres a way.


for now, that's the only thing the parent think of, to delay the innocence years until they reach puberty.

btw, I talking in context of our region, not in US where pirating is hard to control.


Well that brings up the whole topic of when is a child an adult. That, however, is a can of worms that I am simply not willing to open at this time. Needless to say I think you have the right idea. I just can't resist the urge to play devil's advocate.

I apologize for being so narrow-minded. Being from the states sometimes makes it difficult for me to think outside the way I have been taught in this country. I also neglected to read the tag of where you were from and I also decided to use the US as a netrual ground as I was unsure of the particular prostitution and pornography laws set in other countries.
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14.04.2011 - 16:31
Yasmine
Honestly some parents attempt to shelter children WAY PAST puberty. Your Gf's mom being nosey about you is an attempt to do such things. lol I know my mom is nosey and tries to um disrupt/disapprove of guys.
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15.04.2011 - 16:37
Zenzero
Zenzero
Eheheh I live in Italy and I'm sure all of you just know what's happening here.... Prostitution is illegal ahahaha isn't it funny?? rich people buy girls all the days, like 2000 years ago! if Berlusconi can do it, others are encouraged to do the same!
Lucky I'm different, I've a brain and moral values!

but I think pornography is a little different, a pornostar know about her work and admit it! cuz they work in public and do films... escorts don't think they are prostitute, I think yes!
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15.04.2011 - 16:48
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Zenzero on 15.04.2011 at 16:37

Eheheh I live in Italy and I'm sure all of you just know what's happening here.... Prostitution is illegal ahahaha isn't it funny?? rich people buy girls all the days, like 2000 years ago! if Berlusconi can do it, others are encouraged to do the same!
Lucky I'm different, I've a brain and moral values!

but I think pornography is a little different, a pornostar know about her work and admit it! cuz they work in public and do films... escorts don't think they are prostitute, I think yes!


Silvio did under age girl him self at his age, how old is 79?
Italian and feench porn rules, specely classoic made in 80's its ebstw aht can be also early 90's but Ilona , is Italian, some others but 95% of all porn sdtars there comes from East Europe, most hungarians, then cczcehs. russians. slovakian, romanian, ukraian girls 5% only are old EU land
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25.10.2011 - 00:35
brapp32
Ain't nothing wrong with watching some porn. Prostitutes aren't really my thing. But I don't have a problem with them or people who use them.
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31.10.2011 - 00:38
AnGina--
Dark Phoenix
Gonna be short:
- I'm pro prostitute legalisation; prostitution should be allowed, as long as a person doing it, is doing it freely and is not forced into it. In would also mean some extra ka-ching for the country (taxes) and the prostitutes would get more medical attention (STDs).
- Pronography is fine by me, again, as long as it is done by a free will. Child pornography and zoophily, crush fetishes in pornography is then something that should be under a lot more restriction, that it is (I'm not talking from the legal point,because we all know - at least child pornography worldwide and zoophily in most (? at least I hope so) countries are illegal, but still there are tones of cases going on. I would nail that sick bastards to a cross, neuter them with no anaesthethics with a rusty scalpel
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31.10.2011 - 16:40
X-Ray Rod
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Written by AnGina-- on 31.10.2011 at 00:38

at least child pornography worldwide and zoophily in most (? at least I hope so) countries are illegal, but still there are tones of cases going on. I would nail that sick bastards to a cross, neuter them with no anaesthethics with a rusty scalpel


I don't mind Zoophilia as much as I mind child Pornography. From what I've had the displeasure to see, it's not like the animal is getting any big harm, most of those dogs looked quite happy hahahahaha. As far as I know, zoophilia is legal in Denmark as long as it doesn't lead to animal cruelty.
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31.10.2011 - 17:36
AnGina--
Dark Phoenix
Written by X-Ray Rod on 31.10.2011 at 16:40

I don't mind Zoophilia as much as I mind child Pornography. From what I've had the displeasure to see, it's not like the animal is getting any big harm, most of those dogs looked quite happy hahahahaha.


That's because they're usually drugged before the act goes on (male). As for female animals, I've heard about the cases of animals, who were raped repeatedly, of dying because they actually felt abused, stopped eating and died afterwards because of malnutrition. Then again, a man having sex with (raping?) a cat, tearing her apart. A small cat vagina/anus and a grown man penis, how could this not me harmful? IMHO that's animal abuse and it's is extremely harmful. And I can't condone any kind of sexual intercourse that is based merely on an extreme fetish of one (child, animal) and doesn't consider the other participant at all. To me, they're all ill (and I don't mean ill as bad, but serioulsy mentally ill).
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31.10.2011 - 18:01
X-Ray Rod
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Written by AnGina-- on 31.10.2011 at 17:36
how could this not me harmful?

I just meant the male animal on woman btw. I don't know about Denmark's case but I believe that if those acts are legal they are legal under some specific circumstances.

About the entire thread itself, my opinion is nothing too special: Pro prostitution and pornography. When stuff like that becomes legal it leads (hopefully) to more secure work conditions.
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31.10.2011 - 19:54
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
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Prostitutes are just amateur porn stars. They fuck for money and they do it consensually. They just don't always make as much and don't always have a camera.

In any case, porn is legal and they go through rigorous tests to weed out STDs. If prostitution was a legitimate occupation the government would be able to step in, remove the pimps, tax the clients and the employees, and set up standardized STD testing.
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01.11.2011 - 08:56
Angelic Storm
Melodious
Zoophilia is IMO just as bad as child pornography. Zoophilia is defiling, abusing, and sometimes physically hurting (or even killing) a defenseless creature for a sick perverted fetish. So no, to me it's no different, or "better" than peadophilia, it's just as bad.
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01.11.2011 - 09:04
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Staff
Written by Angelic Storm on 01.11.2011 at 08:56
it's just as bad.

Agreed. Equally disgusting and the results of both end in broken bodies and minds all for the sake of a moment's pleasure for one person.

Go fuck a legal human vagina like the rest of us.

That part wasn't directed at you in particular, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore it.
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01.11.2011 - 09:21
Angelic Storm
Melodious
Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.11.2011 at 09:04
Agreed. Equally disgusting and the results of both end in broken bodies and minds all for the sake of a moment's pleasure for one person.

Go fuck a legal human vagina like the rest of us.

That part wasn't directed at you in particular, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore it.


Yup, I can't see how anyone (other than a zoophile, but their minds are warped anyways, so their opinion on the issue is invalid) could possibly defend zoophilia. It's an innocent creature, who can't possibly consent to a sexual act with an adult human, so to me it's no different to paedophilia. The principle is the same in both cases.

And yes, I do have to ignore it. lol For one, I don't swing that way, and two, I don't have the right "equipment" to perform that act even if I wanted to. (which I don't!)
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01.11.2011 - 09:23
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Staff
Written by Angelic Storm on 01.11.2011 at 09:21
I don't have the right "equipment" to perform that act...

I could prove you wrong but that would be getting incredibly off-topic.
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01.11.2011 - 10:08
Angelic Storm
Melodious
Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.11.2011 at 09:23
I could prove you wrong but that would be getting incredibly off-topic.


It would be, and something tells me I'm probably better off not knowing how you could "prove me wrong" anyway.
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01.11.2011 - 10:09
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
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Written by Angelic Storm on 01.11.2011 at 10:08
I'm probably better off not knowing how you could "prove me wrong" anyway.

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