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Very well written. Never heard the album though.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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29.08.2010 - 00:21Rating: 10
My favourite Fear Factory album. I love the concept, and the songs all smoke!
Nice review. xD
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One of the best, and most readable, reviews I've seen on here in a while; it's great to see someone put a poetic spin on a review. Fantastic album too, as you've said. People, take note!
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29.08.2010 - 02:39Rating: 8
FF disc I spin the most!
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Aetherius
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29.08.2010 - 04:53Rating: 9
Very enjoyable to read this review! Great album. Love the concept and the metal ^^
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Written by [user id=4365] on 29.08.2010 at 00:41
One of the best, and most readable, reviews I've seen on here in a while...
Indeed - I barely needed to make any edits in the proofreading process. I love it when people make my job easy.
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29.08.2010 - 06:15Rating: 8
Written by Troy Killjoy on 29.08.2010 at 05:53
Written by [user id=4365] on 29.08.2010 at 00:41
One of the best, and most readable, reviews I've seen on here in a while...
Indeed - I barely needed to make any edits in the proofreading process. I love it when people make my job easy.
Lol.. glad I could compensate for my inumerous modification requests on the Therion review
And Thanks for the comments everyone! =D
An album with such attractive concept required almost full attention to such, that kinda ease up the whole writing.
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Elodie Artour Slania
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Wow! Awesome review! I haven't heard the album, either. This review is not just very well-written; it gives a clue about the whole concept of the record which obviously is a complex subject. I guess I should give "Obsolete" a try some day...
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Thrash del Sur
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30.08.2010 - 13:45Rating: 8
Good review! but I don't think this album was that similar to Demanufacture, in fact this album is closer to Nu Metal.
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Written by Thrash del Sur on 30.08.2010 at 13:45
Good review! but I don't think this album was that similar to Demanufacture, in fact this album is closer to Nu Metal.
True. Also the band sounds more "human" / less artificial in this album, like they didn't use drum machines at all -actually I'm not sure if they ever used one for Demanufacture, but it definitely sounds different.
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30.08.2010 - 18:14Rating: 8
Written by mariano on 30.08.2010 at 17:39
Written by Thrash del Sur on 30.08.2010 at 13:45
Good review! but I don't think this album was that similar to Demanufacture, in fact this album is closer to Nu Metal.
True. Also the band sounds more "human" / less artificial in this album, like they didn't use drum machines at all -actually I'm not sure if they ever used one for Demanufacture, but it definitely sounds different.
Yeah, it does sound more ''human''. From what I've read somewhere the trio ''Demanu/Obsolete/Digimortal'' represents stages in the man/machine struggles, the last one reaching a balanced existence. So they kinda have calculated the process of sound-softning..
Demanufacture does have its strenght as characteristic, due exactly to the drum machine, but aside from the experimental tracks on Obsolete (''Ressurection'', ''Timelessness'' and the DJ presence at ''Edgecrusher''), the albums are incredibly similar.
Its even possible to identificate which song of both albums can be associate by resemblance =
Replica - Descent
New Breed - Edgecrusher
H-K - Freedom or Fire
Zero Signal - Ressurection
Sure Obsolete already tends more to this alternative sonority, but its much closer to Demanufacture than to Digimortal.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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30.08.2010 - 19:08Rating: 10
What? There's a drum machine on Demanufacture? That's news to me, I thought Raymond Herrera did all the drums on that album...
I actually think "H-K" resembles "Securitron" far more than "Freedom Or Fire".
I think Obsolete has a slightly warmer sound than the previous album, a bit less mechanical. And it's not as nu-metallish as Digimortal. The only track that really fits into that category is "Edgecrusher", with it's ultra detuned riff, and the record scratching in the mid-section. Its like a cross between those two albums, but it has it's own identity. And the concept is awesome, which further helps it stand out in their discography. xD
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Thrash del Sur
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31.08.2010 - 20:29Rating: 8
Written by Angelic Storm on 30.08.2010 at 19:08
What? There's a drum machine on Demanufacture? That's news to me, I thought Raymond Herrera did all the drums on that album...
I actually think "H-K" resembles "Securitron" far more than "Freedom Or Fire".
I think Obsolete has a slightly warmer sound than the previous album, a bit less mechanical. And it's not as nu-metallish as Digimortal. The only track that really fits into that category is "Edgecrusher", with it's ultra detuned riff, and the record scratching in the mid-section. Its like a cross between those two albums, but it has it's own identity. And the concept is awesome, which further helps it stand out in their discography. xD
Hahahaha the drum machine controversy in DemanuFacture, that takes me back to 97. Some Ppl said that it wasn't drum machine but drum triggers or viceversa and we all got drunk and pissed off arguing about that a considerable part of several nites hahahaha. Some drummers friends of mine (good ones by the way) told me that Raymond did that album with triggers but I don't know for sure and I don't care cause I like it anyway.
Obsolete is closer to Demanufacture than to Digimortal no doubts about it, but you said the only "Nu metal" song in Obsolete is "Edgecrusher" ?? Listen to "Descent", this song is really Kornish, but I like it so much and all along the album you can find nu metal and "Alternative" influences, but FF helped to create that sound which was ripped off by Ross Robinson and Korn, so the FF guys were riding the wave of those days doing a cool album with that great concept that gives you the impression of a movie... a really good movie!!!.
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Written by Angelic Storm on 30.08.2010 at 19:08
What? There's a drum machine on Demanufacture? That's news to me, I thought Raymond Herrera did all the drums on that album...
It is new to me as well. As far as I know it is ALL Raymond, but wih the use of triggers. But then again 99% odf all modern brutal death metal, gothenburg metal, nu metal, modern thrashis recorded with triggers nowadays. And back in 1997 it was already common.
Triggers are imo horrendous cause they take away from the feeling and soul in drumming. But with the sort of music FF produces it does work well since it creates a nice cold machinelike sound.
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I often heard it was triggers, only off hand though, never looked it.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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31.08.2010 - 22:09Rating: 10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 31.08.2010 at 20:34 It is new to me as well. As far as I know it is ALL Raymond, but wih the use of triggers. But then again 99% odf all modern brutal death metal, gothenburg metal, nu metal, modern thrashis recorded with triggers nowadays. And back in 1997 it was already common.
Triggers are imo horrendous cause they take away from the feeling and soul in drumming. But with the sort of music FF produces it does work well since it creates a nice cold machinelike sound.
Yep, I knew Raymond used triggers. I do remember the rumours at the time saying it was a drum machine on Demanufacture, but thats all they ever were, rumours. lol
I agree with what you're saying about triggers, at least in general. In FF's case it does work well though, because they just add to the mechanical/machine-like sound that they have.
@"Descent": I think it sounds modern and mainstream, yep. But not really nu-metal. I still think "Edgecrusher" is the only song you could put sqaurely into that category. Although elements of it can be found in other songs. Speaking of it giving the impression of a movie, Ive often thought it would make an awesome movie. xD However, the chances are very high if it ever was made into a movie it would suck majorly!
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What the hell is a trigger anyway
Can someone explain what it is?
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Written by mariano on 02.09.2010 at 00:14
What the hell is a trigger anyway
Can someone explain what it is?
As far as I'm aware it's where the noise of the drum whenever one gets hit is transplanted with a programmed sound instead of the natural, actual sound of the drum. It ensues a consistant (and identical) sound instead of varying sounds.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 02.09.2010 at 00:19
Written by mariano on 02.09.2010 at 00:14
What the hell is a trigger anyway
Can someone explain what it is?
As far as I'm aware it's where the noise of the drum whenever one gets hit is transplanted with a programmed sound instead of the natural, actual sound of the drum. It ensues a consistant (and identical) sound instead of varying sounds.
Got it, thanks.
Anyway, looks like you're right about Raymond not using a drum machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demanufacture
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Written by mariano on 02.09.2010 at 17:02
Anyway, looks like you're right about Raymond not using a drum machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demanufacture
Oh for sure! Wikipedia is of course the be-all/end-all source of official information.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 03.09.2010 at 05:58
Written by mariano on 02.09.2010 at 17:02
Anyway, looks like you're right about Raymond not using a drum machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demanufacture
Oh for sure! Wikipedia is of course the be-all/end-all source of official information.
It is when it's supplied with links to interviews backing up the statements, which that article has.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 03.09.2010 at 05:58
Written by mariano on 02.09.2010 at 17:02
Anyway, looks like you're right about Raymond not using a drum machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demanufacture
Oh for sure! Wikipedia is of course the be-all/end-all source of official information.
It is when it's supplied with links to interviews backing up the statements, which that article has.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 03.09.2010 at 17:32
It is when it's supplied with links to interviews backing up the statements, which that article has.
Ya I just like ragging on people who abuse Wikipedia citations.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 03.09.2010 at 17:33
Written by [user id=4365] on 03.09.2010 at 17:32
It is when it's supplied with links to interviews backing up the statements, which that article has.
Ya I just like ragging on people who abuse Wikipedia citations.
I owe a whole lot of my Distinctions from college essays to Wikipedia. Wikipedia and the copy + paste tool anyway.
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