Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
15.06.2011 - 19:35Rating: 7
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I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
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Risto Wandering Midget
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15.06.2011 - 19:36Rating: 7
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Now that they have a proper deal with Nuclear Blast they are actually making a living out of musicianship. In this light it's not surprising that they aren't changing their sound that much anymore, yet they're more inspired than ever before and have the ability to progress on a more subtle level. The weakness of this review is that it meanders a bit too much in what we already know and disregards what's new to the table.
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KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
15.06.2011 - 19:40Rating: 8
Written by Risto on 15.06.2011 at 19:36
Now that they have a proper deal with Nuclear Blast they are actually making a living out of musicianship. In this light it's not surprising that they aren't changing their sound that much anymore but yet they're more inspired than ever before and have the ability to progress on a more subtle level. The weakness of this review is that it disregards the experimentation on this album, such as female vocals.
They are but very few and female vocals aren't always an experimentation, such vocals have been in many bands so it's not really something new. I had in mind to put a hint somewhere concerning the female vocals, but i skipped it. They might use them more in the future, maybe not, but it will be more of a common addition to their sound rather than something experimenting.
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KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
15.06.2011 - 19:44Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 15.06.2011 at 19:35
I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
I still consider Skyforger a good album, it has some awesome songs, but it doesn't surpass the the other albums they've done so far with Joutsen, at least in my eyes. Yeah, it may be too much, unless their inspiration engines bring out some awesome tunes from the first to the last song
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Risto Wandering Midget
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15.06.2011 - 19:48Rating: 7
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Written by KwonVerge on 15.06.2011 at 19:40
They are but very few and female vocals aren't always an experimentation, such vocals have been in many bands so it's not really something new. I had in mind to put a hint somewhere concerning the female vocals, but i skipped it. They might use them more in the future, maybe not, but it will be more of a common addition to their sound rather than something experimenting.
I hate it when I get quoted BEFORE I get to edit the message
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KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
15.06.2011 - 19:50Rating: 8
Written by Risto on 15.06.2011 at 19:48
Written by KwonVerge on 15.06.2011 at 19:40
They are but very few and female vocals aren't always an experimentation, such vocals have been in many bands so it's not really something new. I had in mind to put a hint somewhere concerning the female vocals, but i skipped it. They might use them more in the future, maybe not, but it will be more of a common addition to their sound rather than something experimenting.
I hate it when I get quoted BEFORE I get to edit the message
It happens even to the best
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It's odd that nobody seems to like Far From the Sun. I'd had Elegy, thousand lakes and tuonela for a while, but FFtS was the one that really got me into this band. I think Skyforger is the best album they've done with Joutsen, but this new one is really fucking good too.
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Ag Fox Angel No More ElitePosts: 4774 |
15.06.2011 - 20:04Rating: 8
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Written by Milena on 15.06.2011 at 19:35
I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
I can't agree with you more
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
15.06.2011 - 20:15Rating: 7
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Written by Ag Fox on 15.06.2011 at 20:04
Written by Milena on 15.06.2011 at 19:35
I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
I can't agree with you more
I'm used to almost no one agreeing with me, so it's a nice change *nods head*
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Enissa
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15.06.2011 - 23:31Rating: 9
Written by Milena on 15.06.2011 at 19:35
I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
I really agree, Skyforger was a very awesome album, and my fav for amorphis...the new album is very good too, a little similar to skyforger! maybe they need to do more grunts...but still The begining of Times marks a great point in Amorphis history!
a very well written review btw...!!
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
16.06.2011 - 04:08Rating: 7
Written by [user id=35732] on 15.06.2011 at 22:03
I think this album takes the best things from Eclipse, Silent Waters & Skyforger (which were more or less quite similar) and blends those with more detailed/rich melodies, sections and riffs, which reminds me of the days of Tales From The Thousand Lakes & Elegy. It's nice to see old and new living so well within the same album, in harmony.
Agreed. I had to evaluate why I enjoyed this album as much as I did, as it first seemed to be a practical continuation of Skyforger, an album I more or less despise.
Your comment reminded me of my "revelation", so to speak, in that I found Skyforger just a simply heavy metal album with some traditional Amorphis atmosphere thrown in, whereas this seems to be a collection of their growth put on display. This album really does a good job of uniting past and present.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
16.06.2011 - 08:34Rating: 7
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Written by [user id=35732] on 15.06.2011 at 22:03
I think this album takes the best things from Eclipse, Silent Waters & Skyforger (which were more or less quite similar) and blends those with more detailed/rich melodies, sections and riffs, which reminds me of the days of Tales From The Thousand Lakes & Elegy. It's nice to see old and new living so well within the same album, in harmony.
+1. Oh, how I loved, loved, loved the transitions in the opener track.:love:
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Merchant of Doom
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I like Joutsen's voice... especially the grunting, because the clean vocals remind of a mix between New Model Army's Justin Sullivan and Inspiral Carpets' Tom Hingley...
Musically, I find it a bit too long and repetitive, but it's a good CD for the car...
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enumaelis
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17.06.2011 - 17:09Rating: 6
Their weakest with Joutsen.
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nb
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17.06.2011 - 18:18Rating: 9
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Written by Ag Fox on 15.06.2011 at 20:04
Written by Milena on 15.06.2011 at 19:35
I don't get why everyone sees Skyforger as a weaker album. It's the most wonderfully melodic piece of heaven.
As for the new album, it's quite awesome, hints at old Amorphis, and is generally the finest vocal work Joutsen has provided us with. However, if they continue with this exact style further on, it may be too much.
I can't agree with you more
I second that. Skyforger is just plain awesome. The new one sounds also really good, but I have only heard it one time. There is not enough time on a day
to listen to music.....
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SymphAlchemist
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19.06.2011 - 07:17Rating: 7
I believed it would overcome Skyforger, but it didn't!! And I completely agree with NB, if they continue with this style, it will get boring. But after all it is a listenable album, I can enjoy the songs. Three Words and Mermaid were the ones I liked most. Oh, and You I Need as well, but it is a single and singles are all crap... kidding xD
It seems to me that Battle for Light tells the same story of On Rich and Poor... Does anyone know if this is true?
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Risto Wandering Midget
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19.06.2011 - 12:35Rating: 7
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Written by SymphAlchemist on 19.06.2011 at 07:17
It seems to me that Battle for Light tells the same story of On Rich and Poor... Does anyone know if this is true?
Yes, though On Rich and Poor is from a different book partly circulating on similar themes. Moon and Sun on the Black Winter Day EP is about exactly the same thing.
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SymphAlchemist
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20.06.2011 - 02:48Rating: 7
Written by Risto on 19.06.2011 at 12:35
Written by SymphAlchemist on 19.06.2011 at 07:17
It seems to me that Battle for Light tells the same story of On Rich and Poor... Does anyone know if this is true?
Yes, though On Rich and Poor is from a different book partly circulating on similar themes. Moon and Sun on the Black Winter Day EP is about exactly the same thing.
I didn't know this. Wish I knew some Finnish mythology, it seems to be nice.
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WorpeX Made of Metal
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25.06.2011 - 03:01Rating: 7
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Written by Risto on 19.06.2011 at 12:35
Written by SymphAlchemist on 19.06.2011 at 07:17
It seems to me that Battle for Light tells the same story of On Rich and Poor... Does anyone know if this is true?
Yes, though On Rich and Poor is from a different book partly circulating on similar themes. Moon and Sun on the Black Winter Day EP is about exactly the same thing.
It's ok though, cause Amorphis doesn't write their own lyrics anyway. O_o
I'm enjoying the album though! I really like 'On a Stranded Shore' the female vocals accent Tomi's voice well.
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SymphAlchemist
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27.06.2011 - 18:48Rating: 7
Written by WorpeX on 25.06.2011 at 03:01
It's ok though, cause Amorphis doesn't write their own lyrics anyway. O_o
Well... they do write... They just pick up ready themes and work on them.
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WorpeX Made of Metal
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27.06.2011 - 19:03Rating: 7
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Written by SymphAlchemist on 27.06.2011 at 18:48
Written by WorpeX on 25.06.2011 at 03:01
It's ok though, cause Amorphis doesn't write their own lyrics anyway. O_o
Well... they do write... They just pick up ready themes and work on them.
Nah, the last album i've seen that Amorphis actually wrote lyrics on is Eclipse. It states right in the album's booklet who wrote them. For this one and Skyforger, they were written by Pekka Kainulainen and then translated by Erkki Virta. Whomever they might be. Don't have Silent Waters on hand at the moment, but if I remember correctly, it was similar. Of course, Amorphis does write all the music though.
If that means better song, i'm perfectly fine with it. The two songs that an Amorphis member specifically wrote lyrics to on Eclipse were two of the weakest in my opinion (Under a Black Soil and Stone and Brother Moon).
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SymphAlchemist
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27.06.2011 - 19:17Rating: 7
Written by WorpeX on 27.06.2011 at 19:03
Nah, the last album i've seen that Amorphis actually wrote lyrics on is Eclipse. It states right in the album's booklet who wrote them. For this one and Skyforger, they were written by Pekka Kainulainen and then translated by Erkki Virta. Whomever they might be. Don't have Silent Waters on hand at the moment, but if I remember correctly, it was similar. Of course, Amorphis does write all the music though.
If that means better song, i'm perfectly fine with it. The two songs that an Amorphis member specifically wrote lyrics to on Eclipse were two of the weakest in my opinion (Under a Black Soil and Stone and Brother Moon).
=o
Honestly, I thought it was Esa who wrote most, if not all the lyrics. He's just gone down in my estimation
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
28.06.2011 - 03:24Rating: 6
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Quote: Two years later, Amorphis return with The Beginning Of Times and dare I say it's the more inspired and powerful little nephew of Skyforger
I think you mean aimless & meandering little nephew of Skyforger.
It had some cool parts, in fact, it had some extremely cool parts. However, it fails to reach any sort of climax or height at any point in the songs or overall album. Skyforger had each song building up into something epic & awesome. This just seems like a handful of neat parts strung together with no real goal or purpose.
With Skyforger, each song you could take a step back, look at it and say "wow, what an intelligently designed song." With The Beginning Of Times it's like "Wow! That was a really cool part! Too bad they didn't make the entire song that good..."
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Risto Wandering Midget
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28.06.2011 - 11:29Rating: 7
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Written by Doc G. on 28.06.2011 at 03:24
I think you mean aimless & meandering little nephew of Skyforger.
It had some cool parts, in fact, it had some extremely cool parts. However, it fails to reach any sort of climax or height at any point in the songs or overall album. Skyforger had each song building up into something epic & awesome. This just seems like a handful of neat parts strung together with no real goal or purpose.
With Skyforger, each song you could take a step back, look at it and say "wow, what an intelligently designed song." With The Beginning Of Times it's like "Wow! That was a really cool part! Too bad they didn't make the entire song that good..."
Funny you say that because the songs aren't structurally any more complicated than on Skyforger. For example Sampo has more distinguishable parts than Song of the Sage. Skyforger is an endless stream of hits with guitar leading the way. With this one they take a different view on their sound.
Patience, my friend. You're far from being the only one thinking like that initially.
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
28.06.2011 - 12:15Rating: 6
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Written by Risto on 28.06.2011 at 11:29
Funny you say that because the songs aren't structurally any more complicated than on Skyforger. For example Sampo has more distinguishable parts than Song of the Sage. Skyforger is an endless stream of hits with guitar leading the way. With this one they take a different view on their sound.
Patience, my friend. You're far from being the only one thinking like that initially.
Complicated? I never said anything like that. I said intelligently structured, which is not the same thing. It's got nothing to do with intricacy, but rather how the songs build up, and fail to do so here. Like I said, some cool parts, but the whole thing just sounds flat on an overall structure level.
As for patience...Gave it a lot of time, more than I give most albums actually, considering how bad I wanted to hear something as good as Skyforger...I just don't hear it.
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Risto Wandering Midget
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28.06.2011 - 12:50Rating: 7
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Written by Doc G. on 28.06.2011 at 12:15
As for patience...Gave it a lot of time, more than I give most albums actually, considering how bad I wanted to here something as good as Skyforger...I just don't hear it.
Fair enough then
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
30.06.2011 - 17:49Rating: 9
Written by Doc G. on 28.06.2011 at 03:24
Quote: Two years later, Amorphis return with The Beginning Of Times and dare I say it's the more inspired and powerful little nephew of Skyforger
I think you mean aimless & meandering little nephew of Skyforger.
It had some cool parts, in fact, it had some extremely cool parts. However, it fails to reach any sort of climax or height at any point in the songs or overall album. Skyforger had each song building up into something epic & awesome. This just seems like a handful of neat parts strung together with no real goal or purpose.
With Skyforger, each song you could take a step back, look at it and say "wow, what an intelligently designed song." With The Beginning Of Times it's like "Wow! That was a really cool part! Too bad they didn't make the entire song that good..."
That's exactly how I felt about the album, as a whole its disjointed with no real flow. However I went into this album expecting a collection of good songs, and that's definitely what I got. It may lack that certain build up but as a whole I find it better than Skyforger, the quality of each particular song is excellent imo. If you expect something with that climax of atmosphere you may be disappointed with the album, for me though sometimes a bit of 'meandering' isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Dark Blood The Avenger
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08.07.2011 - 07:00Rating: 8
I'm enjoying this album a lot. Actually that's how it's been with the last 4 Amorphis albums to me, no exceptions. I'm really pleased with this side of the band and each time I hear this I get carried away with such perfection and balance (between the musical elements and Joutsen's voice).
This album definitely deserves the attention its getting. Very good review.
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Just a small observation about the cover... did you notice the drawing carved in the egg? Haha, nice touch
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KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
08.07.2011 - 12:33Rating: 8
Written by Dark Blood on 08.07.2011 at 07:00
I'm enjoying this album a lot. Actually that's how it's been with the last 4 Amorphis albums to me, no exceptions. I'm really pleased with this side of the band and each time I hear this I get carried away with such perfection and balance (between the musical elements and Joutsen's voice).
This album definitely deserves the attention its getting. Very good review.
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Just a small observation about the cover... did you notice the drawing carved in the egg? Haha, nice touch
Yo, holy hell, it's the hammer! Hadn't noticed, thanks! And for the comment as well
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CobiWan1993 Secundum Filium
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06.06.2012 - 10:21Rating: 7
Tbh, I think this is the weakest album of the Tomi Joutsen era. This album just hasn't clicked for me the same way the three previous albums have (and I have listened to this album many times already, so don't ask). The musicians do a great job as always, Tomi's vocals are amazing as usual, but the songs themselves just don't reach the same mark that make the songs from Eclipse, Silent Waters, and Skyforger such magical experiences. There are some very good songs such as the title track, Song of the Sage, and Three Words, but still, they don't hold a candle to classics like The Smoke, I of Crimson Blood, and Sampo (the first song I listened to from them). Good album overall, but I hope the next album blows this one out of the water like the other albums they have done with Tomi Joutsen behind the mic. 8/10
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